Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #3

[Deleted member 268067]

Tubridy floored by ‘bravery’ of woman sharing her harrowing rape ordeal live on air

(A story on the Irish lady from 2015 in which she explains the police didn’t collect any evidence from the scene. )

Parts that stood out to me:

“I knew from things he was saying and doing that he didn't like girls. He made comments about my weight, how I looked, how ugly and fat I was. He was out to inflict pain on a girl. He wanted to make me suffer.”

“He had thought everything out, he had a plan. He was very deliberate, he took his shoes off before coming in the balcony door. he consistently cleaned his hands, he used protection,” she added.

“My dad was full of anger - he wanted to kill dead things. He wanted this man found, but the police were just so lax, they never took samples or anything, even though the sheets were still covered in blood,” Hazel lamented.

Oh no.

 

[Busyliz]

I heard once they formally accuse him of crimes in Germany that the suspect then has access to their case files, so I would interpret the fact that they haven’t questioned him yet as they know he was involved in cases they just need absolute proof that he can’t defend once he sees his files, like sewn up so much there’s no way he can defend it.

Also I saw mentioned that being classed as a homicide opens up more access to resources etc than a missing persons enquiry, maybe why the German police are saying they’re sure she’s dead?

That Irish lady is so brave coming forward publically with her story, I hope they maybe have video of her attack which can be directly linked to him. He certainly seemed to like having proof/record of his attacks.

 

[Busyliz]

I heard once they formally accuse him of crimes in Germany that the suspect then has access to their case files, so I would interpret the fact that they haven’t questioned him yet as they know he was involved in cases they just need absolute proof that he can’t defend once he sees his files, like sewn up so much there’s no way he can defend it.

Also I saw mentioned that being classed as a homicide opens up more access to resources etc than a missing persons enquiry, maybe why the German police are saying they’re sure she’s dead?

That Irish lady is so brave coming forward publically with her story, I hope they maybe have video of her attack which can be directly linked to him. He certainly seemed to like having proof/record of his attacks.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Yeah, that came from a contamination. So "never proven" is not true, there was no connection.

I also think CB is not involved in this case.

What makes you think he’s not involved? the German and UK police clearly do, So I’m just wondering if you know something they don’t?

 

[Armchair_Defective]

I heard once they formally accuse him of crimes in Germany that the suspect then has access to their case files, so I would interpret the fact that they haven’t questioned him yet as they know he was involved in cases they just need absolute proof that he can’t defend once he sees his files, like sewn up so much there’s no way he can defend it.

Also I saw mentioned that being classed as a homicide opens up more access to resources etc than a missing persons enquiry, maybe why the German police are saying they’re sure she’s dead?

That Irish lady is so brave coming forward publically with her story, I hope they maybe have video of her attack which can be directly linked to him. He certainly seemed to like having proof/record of his attacks.

Good points but they seem to be taking a big chance. If they don't get enough to charge him they will look incompetent and people will see it as another 'bungled' investigation.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Madeleine McCann suspect 'beat up teen girlfriend who found child abuse images'

From the article headlined above, a friend of the gf says she was 17, he was 37. That may help with the timeline. It was in the sun or mirror or Mail (I should be working)

 

[Kikixxxx]

German Ex Judge says on podcast
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the theory she was murdered was just "investigators' hypothesis".

In an explosive podcast, criminal law expert Dr Thomas Fischer blasted German police for the "unpleasant undertone" to their probe into the Brit girl's disappearance.

Dr Fischer, a former federal judge, said he did not believe German police had incontrovertible evidence she had been killed.

He said: "You don't know whether the child is dead or not.

"There are certain plausibilities that derive from criminal experience but which I think are spread with a certain unpleasant undertone also by the investigative authorities.

"If the public prosecutor knew more, they would say more."

Dr Fischer went on to say he was skeptical the case was about to be solved and unconvinced the police have enough evidence to prosecute.

"There is a clear evidence base, but no compelling evidence,” he said.

"It would be a mistake to commit yourself too early and to say that he was there, he has a criminal record, he doesn't say anything, he must have been."

German prosecutor in Madeleine McCann case 'has seen evidence she is dead'

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Is he actively working on the case? It describes him as a “Ex judge” No offence but what use is he? He isn’t privy to any evidence the police have so his opinion I would think is irrelevant

 

[Miya]

What makes you think he’s not involved? the German and UK police clearly do, So I’m just wondering if you know something they don’t?

I have followed this case for quite a long time, not every single detail, but they have/had other suspect(s) that are good and "logical" suspects to me. Could CB be involved anyway? Of course, I just don't think so. But police should investigate every case that they think might be linked to him, that's what I would want them to do.

 

[Kiranerys]

"Mummy asked me to come and get you, we'll go to her now"

He might even have known her name

Yes,just like AC told Alesha Macphail he was friend of her Dad and would take her home,by all accounts she didn't struggle

 

[Bit of hope]

Madeleine McCann suspect 'beat up teen girlfriend who found child abuse images'

From the article headlined above, a friend of the gf says she was 17, he was 37. That may help with the timeline. It was in the sun or mirror or Mail (I should be working)

According to the pressreader below she is 25 by now, was 17 at the time so she would have met him in 2012 (born approx. 1995 + 17). They split up in 2013 after he attacked her, after she found childporn and confronted him with it (according to an acuintance, interviewed) Other sources say that she traveled with him to Portugal in 2014, what I doubt considering the situation. In the same year (other sources) he supposed to have a Britisch girlfriend. There is so many contradicting info...

PressReader.com - Your favorite newspapers and magazines.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Is he actively working on the case? It describes him as a “Ex judge” No offence but what use is he? He isn’t privy to any evidence the police have so his opinion I would think is irrelevant

He still works in law and was involved with writing various bits of law in Germany, so I think he knows the thresholds of evidence to bring a prosecution in Germany better than many, which means he can say with confidence what sort of evidence the police must have to be at this stage..when he said the police are only working on a 'hypothesis'. He makes the very logical point that 'If they ( police) knew more, they would say more'.

Why be publically appealing for people to fill in the gaps on his movements that night if they already know? The answer is all they have is a phone call in the vicinity and his record, nothing that links him to the actual crime or they would be able to charge him.

'Thomas Fischer. Thomas Fischer, born in 1953, is the presiding judge of the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe. His annual commentary on the Penal Code, “Beck's Short Commentaries,” is considered the Bible of German Criminal Law.''

Thomas Fischer - European Press Prize.

 

[andy2020]

She also recalled a distinctive mark on the top of his right thigh, “either a pull in the tights, a birthmark or a tattoo”
A pull? Like a ladder?

From Guardian article: "“I had gone to bed around 1am, and was awoken by someone calling my name. I turned on to my back and standing there was a masked man dressed in tights and what resembled a leotard, a machete around 12in long in his hand”
Rape victim asks Madeleine McCann detectives to review her case

Had to register to point something out: Brueckner left bags of wigs and "exotic clothes" in the Portuguese place.

 

[Kikixxxx]

No he is a retired judge but he was involved with writing various bits of law in Germany, so I think he knows the thresholds of evidence to bring a prosecution in Germany better than many, which means he can say with confidence what sort of evidence the police must have to be at this stage..when he said the police are only working on a 'hypothesis'. He makes the very logical point that 'If they ( police) knew more, they would say more'.

Why be publically appealing for people to fill in the gaps on his movements that night if they already know? The answer is all they have is a phone call in the vicinity and his record, nothing that links him to the actual crime or they would be able to charge him.

Okay that’s kind of conflicting because the German prosecutor has admitted they know more, but they can’t tell us more. Yet the judge is saying if they knew more, they’d tell us. So Which is it?

Help us find Maddie’s body, German prosecutor urges Christian Brückner | News | The Times

 

[Kikixxxx]

I turned on to my back and standing there was a masked man dressed in tights and what resembled a leotard, a machete around 12in long....
Had to register to point something out: Brueckner left bags of wigs and "exotic clothes" in the Portuguese place.

Ohhhhhhh

 

[Ardoch]

And the confession? Would that be part of the appeal for more information?
They're not saying either how long that they've known about M's circumstances

 

[Miya]

Just saw this about Peggy Knobloch:

Verschwundene Peggy: Bisher keine Verbindung zu Christian B. und zum Fall Maddie

It's German, I can't translate all of it but the prosecutor says so far there is no link to CB, no personal, areal or temporal connection. If the translation makes sense, I'm not too bad at translating from English to German, but the other way around ...

 

[Edinlass]

Ohhhhhhh

The Portuguese really have some answering to do if this woman can recognise the items to be the same...we do more detective work unpaid than this so-called police force!

 

[Ardoch]

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Just saw this about Peggy Knobloch:

Verschwundene Peggy: Bisher keine Verbindung zu Christian B. und zum Fall Maddie

It's German, I can't translate all of it but the prosecutor says so far there is no link to CB, no personal, areal or temporal connection. If the translation makes sense, I'm not too bad at translating from English to German, but the other way around ...

I have no German however according to Google Translate it's referring to the Peggy case as CB having no link too. But that could be lost in translation

 

[Scorpiette]

From Guardian article: "“I had gone to bed around 1am, and was awoken by someone calling my name. I turned on to my back and standing there was a masked man dressed in tights and what resembled a leotard, a machete around 12in long in his hand”
Rape victim asks Madeleine McCann detectives to review her case

Had to register to point something out: Brueckner left bags of wigs and "exotic clothes" in the Portuguese place.

She also says in that article She also recalled a distinctive mark on the top of his right thigh, “either a pull in the tights, a birthmark or a tattoo”.
I read that CB has scars on his right thigh. Interesting!

 

[Kiranerys]

This might be the Irish person mentioned upthread as one of the victims the police were looking for
Rape victim asks Madeleine McCann detectives to review her case | Madeleine McCann | The Guardian

OMG!!!, this sounds exactly like him with the mark on his thigh!, and adds more weight when you consider the reports of 'exotic clothing' claimed to be found in his house with the videos.
The Guardian is a much more respectable news outlet too.