Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #3

[Ausgrlz]

Rape of an adult uses protection, presumably as a forensic countermeasure and maybe fear of disease.

Guess with a child he doesn’t bother, knowing that he will be disposing of the body.

I am wondering if CB is even going to remain alive long enough to be charged.

I think that CB and especially NM would be worried about ‘accidents’

 

[mrjitty]

Strange the prosecutor is leaking stuff on a daily basis

McCanns Portuguese lawyer was on TV today criticising the german prosecutor and demanding to know the proof of death

So we are back in to the same dance of the McCann's insisting she is alive until proven otherwise. I don't really get the feeling the germans have involved the Met or the family in their strategy whatever it may be.

 

[Sorryaboutthat123]

would be interesting to hear from someone in Germany whether this approach is normal for prosecutors.

 

[Lyndaloo]

I really think this 'foster home' was a front for some grooming gang and that everyone involved in it will be dodgy. I also think the guy in the bar that CB confessed to in 2017 will be involved in child abuse and trafficking himself and he is helping police to get a lower sentence.

I agree the foster home was some front for a grooming gang/potentially international paedophile ring & I think it may well involve well to do people in high places. I haven’t slept a wink all night will all sorts of horrible thoughts running through my head...I hope I’m being paranoid but think this has all been covered up from the very beginning

 

[katydid23]

I agree the foster home was some front for a grooming gang/potentially international paedophile ring & I think it may well involve well to do people in high places. I haven’t slept a wink all night will all sorts of horrible thoughts running through my head...I hope I’m being paranoid but think this has all been covered up from the very beginning

I want to know where the money came from. It was said upthread that it cost 4000EU a month to care for each child.

Who was paying that ? The parents? The government?

 

[mrjitty]

I am puzzled at the politics of all this

What sane prosecutor wants to wade in to the MM case when it is not even a crime that was committed in Germany? And fraught with difficult politics at the Portugal end?

Unless his point is to get resourced up to clear some domestic cold cases they think CB is behind?

Or is he a glory hunter who really thinks he can crack the case?

Everything about this is odd, unless he has a golden piece of evidence.

 

[mrjitty]

would be interesting to hear from someone in Germany whether this approach is normal for prosecutors.

Nothing is normal when it comes to wading in to the middle of the MM case.

I mean a normal high profile inquiry would centre on a local murder like Inga where there is high public pressure. Deciding to create your own media firestorm around a case the German public don't care about seems odd behaviour for a career prosecutor.

What happens when all this goes nowhere?

 

[FrankHoney]

It’s no wonder so many members of the public have been “in denial“ about this crime for so long (to put it politely). Absolutely harrowing to face the reality that people like this live among us.

I always thought that if video evidence existed and was being shared on the dark web for instance, or within certain networks, that due to the notoriety of this case, word would get out. I mean I guess that is what looks to have happened eventually. But for so long I thought no way, someone would talk if they saw her. Imagine knowing the answer to one of the biggest mysteries of our generation and not saying a word.

I feel so incredibly naive. Of course, these people’s priority is to protect themselves and to not jeopardise their access to this type of content. I imagine it’s like an addiction.

I think a lot of ordinary people convince themselves that sex crimes against children is something that happens only to street kids in South East Asia, wouldn’t happen so close to home etc. Wouldn’t happen to a white middle class family. I should think even those who remain adamant on victim blaming in this case will have had their eyes opened to the reality of sex crime in Western Europe by now.

 

[Lyndaloo]

I want to know where the money came from. It was said upthread that it cost 4000EU a month to care for each child.

Who was paying that ? The parents? The government?

I don’t know many parents who could afford to Pay 4000 euros a month for care of their unruly teenager, if it’s true I presume the government would be paying it? Either that or she was being paid by the people really running the facility ....if you know what I mean?

 

[Dlk79]

Strange the prosecutor is leaking stuff on a daily basis

McCanns Portuguese lawyer was on TV today criticising the german prosecutor and demanding to know the proof of death

So we are back in to the same dance of the McCann's insisting she is alive until proven otherwise. I don't really get the feeling the germans have involved the Met or the family in their strategy whatever it may be.

The family and the Met have known of this lead for a while and the article Clarence Mitchell wrote about it was quite telling, they all believe this is the guilty party.

I'd say the German prosecutors are in no doubt that they have the right man but they don't have quite enough to make a bulletproof case. They are now employing this very unusual tactic of leaking some parts of their evidence to the public in the hope that people will come forward to strengthen the case.

Imagine being certain you had the right man but had to let him go. It's also why they haven't questioned him yet I think, as they would then have to make him privy to the evidence. He would then know where it came from and potentially how to stop it leaking further and cover his tracks.

 

[FrankHoney]

I want to know where the money came from. It was said upthread that it cost 4000EU a month to care for each child.

Who was paying that ? The parents? The government?

It could well be that the whole thing was some kind of trafficking front and there was no fostering arrangement taking place to start with. That it will never add up because it’s not all it seems.

JMO

 

[Armchair_Defective]

There are some strange physiological responses that aren't quite as simple to react upon and consciously realised in the moment. Our conscience dismisses alot and later we can address a subconscious. Often like seeing something playing out a certain way but continuing on down that path then the result comes to fruition and you're like damn I KNEW IT!!!

have people seen the size of the room though? There is hardly any room to move in there. If the door was open or had anyone behind it GM and MO would not have seen the twins cots. There's not really any room for a guy of CB's size to hide IMO. He was over 6 foot reportedly.

 

[Lyndaloo]

It could well be that the whole thing was some kind of trafficking front and there was no fostering arrangement taking place to start with. That it will never add up because it’s not all it seems.

JMO

Exactly my thoughts!

 

[rebel123]

Just pondering on the skype conversation. How did the police get a hold on it. Could it be intentionally "leeked" (Is this even technicaly possible) to throw the police of the Madison case? Or is this farfetched?

I think the police has caught someone whose into that sort of stuff, he's told police that he had this conversation with CB to get into the polices good books, he's kept transcripts, or the police has found transcripts on his phone / laptop. Just one scenario.

 

[Dlk79]

have people seen the size of the room though? There is hardly any room to move in there. If the door was open or had anyone behind it GM and MO would not have seen the twins cots. There's not really any room for a guy of CB's size to hide IMO. He was over 6 foot reportedly.

Not saying it's what happended but a door is over six foot and it was half way open, so why could he have not been stood behind it? You'd still be able to see the cots in the room. In fact, GM says he set eyes on MM who was around the corner meaning he had to put his head into the room, making it easy to see everything in the room (except behind the door). As for MO, we know he didn't really check properly, he just listened near the door.

 

[rebel123]

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[Armchair_Defective]

would be interesting to hear from someone in Germany whether this approach is normal for prosecutors.

That's why I thought this guy was relevant, he is still involved in courts in Germany.

''Dr Fischer, a former federal German judge, said he did not believe German police had incontrovertible evidence she had been killed.....
.....It would be a mistake to commit yourself too early and to say that he was there, he has a criminal record, he doesn't say anything, he must have been."''

German prosecutor in Madeleine McCann case 'has seen evidence she is dead'

''Thomas Fischer, born in 1953, is the presiding judge of the Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe. His annual commentary on the Penal Code, “Beck’s Short Commentaries,” is considered the Bible of German Criminal Law. He is a honorary professor at the University of Würzburg lecturing criminal law, criminal trial law and the sociology of law.''

Thomas Fischer - European Press Prize.

In German law there is a 'pre trial investigative phase'. This ends when you have enough to charge someone. To charge someone the prosecutor has to believe there is a reasonable chance the person would be convicted.
As CB has not been charged they obviously don't have any evidence at the moment that could convict him.

 

[Ardoch]

I think they've been investigating a web ring for a few years and they're obviously desperate to snare and catch as many as possible.
Also, they've reached the point where they've gathered a lot of evidence but now need more to finalise arrests.
CB lived in Praia De Luz when MM went missing.
If even half of what's been reported about him is true, and I have no idea how these cases work - I can only imagine the magnitude of hours and dedication that's put in by police and civilian staff - I'm fairly hopeful that they will link him to many crimes. IMO

 

[Ardoch]

I really do not want to look at it again, so there might a word or two that are different, but it's basically the chat that has been posted here several times from other media, he doesn't really say kid, he said "I want to ... something little" which sounds even worse. And he says he will film it and document how he is torturing her. The other person says "cool". And in the end he says "yeah, but now do it and not just talk about it, hehe".

This is a very dangerous and sick sadistic psychopath. Disgusting.

I don't think we're privy to the whole conversation but it could mean an animal.
Thinking about the report of the animal bones being found with a USB stick which according to the DM and Bild is being tested at the moment.
Christian Brueckner is linked to FOURTH unsolved case | Daily Mail Online

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Not saying it's what happended but a door is over six foot and it was half way open, so why could he have not been stood behind it? You'd still be able to see the cots in the room. In fact, GM says he set eyes on MM who was around the corner meaning he had to put his head into the room, making it easy to see everything in the room (except behind the door). As for MO, we know he didn't really check properly, he just listened near the door.

I found another photo from the scene. I mistook the wardrobe door against the cot for the door of the room. This is the door into the room but it actually shows even less room to hide IMO as it's up against the narrow wardrobe. The police plan is also more accurate in scale than many of the media's renditions.