Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #3

[Pimlipo]

Is this a literal translation?

I'm interested in the use of the word "finally". Would imply that he had never done it before and given this conversation took place after MM, it "could" be significant. I know the German language is more complex than English, they have about 20 different connotations for the word "The" so just wondering if this phrase of 'finally' may have another meaning in the context?

Even just the English phrasing as seen in the translation you quoted could mean to me 'finally', as in once again after a long time.
i.e the furore of the last one has died down a little, i'm 'finally' ready to go again.
Pure opinion

 

[Cherwell]

It's a direct quote from a Portuguese paper, Jornal de Noticias, so it must be seen in that context. Look past the Daily Mail sensational headline.

"The newspaper said: 'Jornal de Noticias has learnt that the idea it was Brueckner was considered when he became a suspect in the Maddie case. Unsolved crimes, like those of Hazel's, were revisited and the investigators concluded he was not the author [responsible].'

The newspaper offered no more information on what work had been done to re-examine Brueckner's possible involvement in the 2004 rape, which occurred the year before the rape of a 72-year-old American woman in Praia da Luz which the German was convicted of late last year in his home country. Portuguese police have made no official comment."

It's not clear to me what is meant by "when he became a suspect in the Maddie case". Is that recently, or back nearer the time of her disappearance? It's all a bit ambiguous.

 

[Kiranerys]

Jee, what is going on......sorry double post....

I have given up apologising for double posts now,its not us its WS

 

[Ellmau]

Here's one. https://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/20200605-1908-maddie-policia-britanica-desvalorizou-suspeito-alemao-em-2012-quando-pj-entregou-processo

also one about one of the houses he stayed in;

EXCLUSIVE: Footage of property where paedophile and suspect Christian Brueckner lived in the months after Madeleine McCann disappeared from Portugal - Olive Press News Spain

"British police received in 2012 elements of the Judiciary Police file on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. They contained Christian Brueckner.
In 2012, the British police received elements of the Judiciary Police file on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in which there were hundreds of people, including the German now announced as a suspect, to whom he did not attach importance.

At least since 2012, when Operation Orange started, the English police received from the Judiciary Police all the elements that were in our process regarding the case of the child's disappearance. If Christian Bruckner was there, how were hundreds of people there and if If the suspicions about that person were so evident, he would have been the target of diligences requested by the English, and which have always been authorized in Portugal, but they never asked, "said the deputy director of the Judiciary Police today to the Lusa agency.''

Sounds a bit defensive.

 

[Ellmau]

Considering how much they've shared in this particular matter thus far, they must have an awful lot then!

Let's hope so.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Let’s hope it’s irrelevant the Portuguese police have dismissed the Irish rape case as being a link, I hope that German or the met will take it from here, cause I really feel like it’s extremely likely to be CB. Even as far as the birth marks on his legs. She spent 4/5 hours with him, I’m sure she spent time talking to him amongst other things. She could have significant or valuable details to share. Anything. The only thing I can think of why it’s been discredited so soon is if CB was in jail at the time. As far as we are aware that was only once in Portugal for diesel theft and that was after 2005.

 

[Edinlass]

Let’s hope it’s irrelevant the Portuguese police have dismissed the Irish rape case as being a link, I hope that German or the met will take it from here, cause I really feel like it’s extremely likely to be CB. Even as far as the birth marks on his legs. She spent 4/5 hours with him, I’m sure she spent time talking to him amongst other things. She could have significant or valuable details to share. Anything. The only thing I can think of why it’s been discredited so soon is if CB was in jail at the time. As far as we are aware that was only once in Portugal for diesel theft and that was after 2005.

Good point. He may have been in jail because something surely must have discredited him so quick. Saying that, this is the Portuguese police we are talking about. I don’t think they would be capable of organising a p up in a brewery.

 

[Dlk79]

Madeleine McCann was killed soon after she was kidnapped, says German prosecutor

Interesting that the German Prosecuter believes MM was killed relatively quickly after the abduction. What evidence must they know to support that? And that it was CB who "did the deed"?

Would seem to rule out any trafficking possibility. It seems more and more like a video to me.

 

[Bit of hope]

Police have ruled out Christian Brueckner as suspect in rape of Irish holiday rep | Daily Mail Online

Apparently the internet chat involved another pedophile... I still wonder though, was it a legit pedophile, or an undercover cop? Or, how did LE get the chat record in the first place? These details might make a huge difference in the case.

Daily Mail Online.....hmmmm

 

[Armchair_Defective]

How likely is it that you have 2 batshit crazy psychos in the exact same area with the exact same MO?

I think they mean he was ruled out by Portuguese police in 2004, before the 2nd rape happened.

 

[Dlk79]

Even just the English phrasing as seen in the translation you quoted could mean to me 'finally', as in once again after a long time.
i.e the furore of the last one has died down a little, i'm 'finally' ready to go again.
Pure opinion

Could be. Someone upthread gave a proper translation in the German context and said the "finally" word didn't translate in the meaning of not having done it before. If anything it was more akin to what you said in that it meant again, after not having done it for a while.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Madeleine McCann was killed soon after she was kidnapped, says German prosecutor

Interesting that the German Prosecuter believes MM was killed relatively quickly after the abduction. What evidence must they know to support that? And that it was CB who "did the deed"?

Would seem to rule out any trafficking possibility. It seems more and more like a video to me.

It's happens in the majority of cases whenever a child that young is taken by a predator. The police know this, which is why I think the German judge said it's just a hypothesis.

 

[Cherwell]

Let’s hope it’s irrelevant the Portuguese police have dismissed the Irish rape case as being a link, I hope that German or the met will take it from here, cause I really feel like it’s extremely likely to be CB. Even as far as the birth marks on his legs. She spent 4/5 hours with him, I’m sure she spent time talking to him amongst other things. She could have significant or valuable details to share. Anything. The only thing I can think of why it’s been discredited so soon is if CB was in jail at the time. As far as we are aware that was only once in Portugal for diesel theft and that was after 2005.

I don't think it has been dismissed recently - the Portuguese police have made no comment. They are probably still re-examining it. It's the usual Daily Mail twisting the facts for a sensational headline.

 

[Bit of hope]

Even just the English phrasing as seen in the translation you quoted could mean to me 'finally', as in once again after a long time.
i.e the furore of the last one has died down a little, i'm 'finally' ready to go again.
Pure opinion

Here is the word for word translation.....

SPIEGEL TV exklusiv: Das kriminelle Leben des Christian B. - DER SPIEGEL - Panorama
16:14 in the video

There is more in the conversation. Der Spiegel highlighted some frases. W= CB
P - hi
W - how are things going
P - quite well
P - and with you?
W - quite well???? bad for me, finally want to *** a little one
P - Yes, who doesn't
W - Do you have new films?
P - No, unfortunately not yet, I didn't have time during the week
W - Ok, Sending around films is also dangerous
P - You're right

I'm not sure the conversation is ungoing, this is on another page, and I can't see the timestamp very good. I think it's 2013 and so far passed the disappearance of Maddy, him talking what he wants to do.

W - catch something small, that's (would be) it (in a sense this would be the ultimate)
P - its also not without danger
W - och (in the sence swiping it from the table), when the evidence is destroyed afterwards
P - hm
W - when the "deapthroat", for example took to long
W - ---------
W - when then I would make a lot - a lot of movies he he (nasty laugh, like grinz)
P - Oh yes, do that
W - I will document exactly how she is tormented
P - cool
W - Well, first see, not only talk but also do! he he (nasty laugh, like grinz)
P -

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Sounds a bit defensive.

I'm not surprised. The Portuguese flagged this guy up within days of Maddie disappearing ( along with other ner do wells) and searched his van. They investigated him and had 4 months to do it.
Scotland Yard and Germany have had years and more information and haven't got enough to charge him either.

 

[Dlk79]

It's happens in the majority of cases whenever a child that young is taken by a predator. The police know this, which is why I think the German judge said it's just a hypothesis.

It's possible but added to the other statements made about "knowing" how she was killed, the confidence she is dead, refusing to comment on whether they believe there is any video and the confidence that CB himself "did the deed" it all points to one thing in my mind. Video.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

It's possible but added to the other statements made about "knowing" how she was killed, the confidence she is dead, refusing to comment on whether they believe there is any video and the confidence that CB himself "did the deed" it all points to one thing in my mind. Video.

The prosecutor said 'we assume she is dead but at the moment we cannot substantiate our suspicions.'

So assumptions and suspicions....Doesn't sound confident at all to me! I would bet the suspicions come from his fantasising webchat only. That would not be enough to charge someone.

and why do Scotland Yard not declare her dead if they have seen this video? They have spent 13 million pounds and let another police force declare her dead?

 

[Dlk79]

W - when the "deapthroat", for example took to long

Does anyone know what is referring to in this line?

 

[Bit of hope]

Does anyone know what is referring to in this line?

Sorry....do you really have to ask that? Why do you think I didn't translated that...it was litterly in the chat.

 

[Olivia_Seafish]

The prosecutor said 'we assume she is dead but at the moment we cannot substantiate our suspicions.'

So assumptions and suspicions....Doesn't sound confident at all to me! I would bet the suspicions come from his fantasising webchat only. That would not be enough to charge someone.

and why do Scotland Yard declare her dead if they have seen this video?

Agreed.

I think the German investigators believe they know what happened to MM on the strength of CB's confession to the informant. The circumstantial evidence around Breuckner, and the fact that he backed up another brag with video evidence, lend credence to his MM claims.

They believe MM to be dead and they think they know how it was done because CB couldn't keep his trap shut. They don't have anything solid though.

There might be a video but I think the statements coming out of Germany make perfect sense without one.