Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[mrjitty]

^ That's more or less my impression of CB too, a low life drifter/grifter, no fixed abode, always on the look out for easy prey and an easy payday, hence the burglaries, the drug dealing, etc etc. Cunning rather than intelligent, reactive rather than proactive, reckless rather than strategic. I have no difficulty believing him to be guilty of the current child-related charges.

But, the BKA has evidence that clearly suggests otherwise if he turns out to be the serial and extremely brutal rapist and cold-blooded murderer they claim him to be. We'll just have to wait and see how the current charges against him pan out.

Perhaps the rapes indicate an escalation in his offending?

From little I have read, mostly following murderer cases, a psychopath like this may have poor impulse control, hence the inconsistency between carefully planned attacks, and obvious attacks where he was quickly arrested ...

 

[C.greek]

One suspects so.

Assuming the fourteen year old was not murdered, you have to wonder how this was not reported... but perhaps the victim was vulnerable?

Many rapes are not reported.

 

[C.greek]

I think Anxala is getting at how these might fit together with MM

Assuming he is guilty on the 3 new rapes, each shows a high degree of planning and control over the victim. Eg selecting a place of attack where he would be undisturbed for hours.


How does that fit with MM? Was it more a breakin where opportunity presented? Or did he abduct the victim to a controlled environment?

The tapas timeline of checks suggests he only had a very small window, so was it just a quick breakin? Or did those checks not happen as advertised?

I don't think Anxala is getting at how these might fit MM. It is clear they paint a profile completely different from what we know, ignoring the brutal and planned rape of DM, for which he has been convicted, saying that the BKA claim him to be an extremely brutal rapist. Maybe I am reading it wrong though, who knows.

 

[frank-cole]

They don't claim him to be the brutal rapist - he is convicted of being one

And reactive/reckless (vs strategic)?! When he went to those women's houses fully prepared to brutally rape them with the machette and the whip and the videocamera?! Is this opportunistic?! And let's just ignore for a moment that he has been charged with 3 further brutal rapes with the same more or less MO - he has been convicted for one already. Why ignore that?

CB’s criminal history proves that he is both an opportunistic offender & an offender who pre-plans his assaults.

I agree with you, this clearly isn’t a case of ‘one or the other’ & his criminal history proves this. IMO the 2 different types of MO says a lot about CB’s motives & his behaviour/character, it certainly doesn’t mean that he can only be responsible for 1 type of crime, based on its MO.

 

[frank-cole]

Interesting they are appealing now in Germany - seems they are extending their search for other (known?) Victims in Germany. Jmo

I think they want the 14 y/o to identify herself. Unfortunately as it sounds, but the 70-80 y/o Italian victim may be no longer with us.

‘Das buch’ came to mind as soon as I read they were appealing for other victims to come forward

 

[Davieson]

Where does the claim about a 14 year old come from ? How does one determine that a girl is 14 rather than say 12 or 16 particularly if the identity is unknown ?

 

[mrjitty]

Many rapes are not reported.

Agreed I posted the same just a few days ago.. but this appears to be a violent abduction / imprisonment of a minor

 

[mrjitty]

Where does the claim about a 14 year old come from ? How does one determine that a girl is 14 rather than say 12 or 16 particularly if the identity is unknown ?

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They don't state the exact age

 

[Niner]

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They don't state the exact age

This is what was in the paper:
girl aged at least 14

 

[C.greek]

Where does the claim about a 14 year old come from ? How does one determine that a girl is 14 rather than say 12 or 16 particularly if the identity is unknown ?

I think they say at least 14 years old

 

[C.greek]

Agreed I posted the same just a few days ago.. but this appears to be a violent abduction / imprisonment of a minor

Not sure if this would be a case of a violent abduction - as you said before the victim could have been vulnerable in which case she could be coaxed to go with him not knowing what would happen to her. It reminds me of the case of the other minor in Germany who was "dating" him... she could even have been in the "care" of NF... i think they are looking for other victims in Germany for which they must have some evidence possibly in the form of das Buch and even from the stash of videos/photos from the box factory which cannot be used twice as evidence (if I recall correctly this is what happened with the abuse of the other little girl in Germany). Though to be honest I don't understand what exactly is the case and they cannot use the same evidence for different crimes...

 

[Anxala]

I think Anxala is getting at how these might fit together with MM

Assuming he is guilty on the 3 new rapes, each shows a high degree of planning and control over the victim. Eg selecting a place of attack where he would be undisturbed for hours.


How does that fit with MM? Was it more a breakin where opportunity presented? Or did he abduct the victim to a controlled environment?

The tapas timeline of checks suggests he only had a very small window, so was it just a quick breakin? Or did those checks not happen as advertised?

Yes, thank you, MrJ. I was merely looking anew at CB in the light of the most recent charges.

I'm still very much on the fence as far as HCW's claim re MM is concerned though - that's my primary interest here - and that does continue to inform my somewhat 'cautious' thoughts on these other charges against CB. It's not that I don't think CB's capable of the new charges against him (I do, and I do take your point about poor impulse control, inconsistency and escalating behaviour), it's more to do with the manner in which this investigation as a whole has been conducted.

 

[enquirer6]

Yes, thank you, MrJ. I was merely looking anew at CB in the light of the most recent charges.

I'm still very much on the fence as far as HCW's claim re MM is concerned though - that's my primary interest here - and that does continue to inform my somewhat 'cautious' thoughts on these other charges against CB. It's not that I don't think CB's capable of the new charges against him (I do, and I do take your point about poor impulse control, inconsistency and escalating behaviour), it's more to do with the manner in which this investigation as a whole has been conducted.

The thing, there, is that we can't judge the totality of Herr Wolters' evidence, because we don't know all he has. When we do, we may be able to assess it more fairly.

 

[Davieson]

The thing, there, is that we can't judge the totality of Herr Wolters' evidence, because we don't know all he has. When we do, we may be able to assess it more fairly.

As Wolters has put forward no evidence at all, one can make no valid judgement regarding Bueckner's guilt

 

[C.greek]

As Wolters has put forward no evidence at all, one can make no valid judgement regarding Bueckner's guilt

That's what the courts and the judges are for. They don't expect the lay person to scrutinise the evidence and form an opinion on CB's guilt.

But let's not forget that CB is a convicted brutal rapist and child abuser.

If these 5 cases are in turn be brought to court and if CB is found guilty again - then this would maximise his dangerous and vile nature and perhaps make his MO concrete.

There must be some reason HCW has connected the cases of DM, HB and MM - because he has been quoted as connecting them. The most obvious to me as a layperson is MO. We shall see - time will tell.

 

[C.greek]

Yes, thank you, MrJ. I was merely looking anew at CB in the light of the most recent charges.

I'm still very much on the fence as far as HCW's claim re MM is concerned though - that's my primary interest here - and that does continue to inform my somewhat 'cautious' thoughts on these other charges against CB. It's not that I don't think CB's capable of the new charges against him (I do, and I do take your point about poor impulse control, inconsistency and escalating behaviour), it's more to do with the manner in which this investigation as a whole has been conducted.

If I may Anxala you were the one saying a few months before that you don't believe these charges will ever be brought forward (was it because of the time that had passed I don't recall)- or am I mistaken?

What is the issue you take now with the way the investigation has been conducted? They had said a year ago they were investigating him for other crimes - yes, it took time but they did charge him with those.

HCW has clearly connected these new charges to the case of MM - so there is something in their evidence that ties all these cases together. What this is we may find in due time. But certainly the investigation is progressing and hopefully the culprit(s) for MM's demise will see justice. That is all we should hope for. And it seems the BKA are on the right path. If you take issue with whom HCW from the journos trusts, this is another point. But saying that they claim CB is a brutal rapist is like denying that CB committed the extremely brutal rape that he is serving time in prison now. If you take issue with the time that has elapsed - well we would all want this case to have been solved asap but it is a no body case for the past 15 years with incredibly difficult logistics and a pandemic in between that stalled the world.

In any case, I hope the next year brings some answers to those who are most in need for them.

Jmo

 

[Chiatos]

My guess is that CB's phone number is connecting all these cases together.

 

[Davieson]

My guess is that CB's phone number is connecting all these cases together.

In what way exactly ?

 

[Lilly b]

My guess is that CB's phone number is connecting all these cases together.

Defo his phone, didn't he show someone at a bar in Germany the video of the older woman being raped, or something along those lines, CB probably had more than 1 phone at a time

 

[Anxala]

But saying that they claim CB is a brutal rapist is like denying that CB committed the extremely brutal rape that he is serving time in prison now.

I'd ask that if you're quoting me, you'd do so correctly and in context. Here's what I said:

if he turns out to be the serial and extremely brutal rapist and cold-blooded murderer they claim him to be...

We know he's a brutal rapist, that's a given. The critical word here is serial. Not brutal. Serial. As in guilty and convicted of multiple rapes. At present. he's not.

When/if the current rape charges result in convictions, then CB can rightly be described as a serial rapist. It's an important distinction and one I stick by since I believe in due process.

On a separate note, I really hope for HB's sake that she finally gets to see justice served.