Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[Davieson]

Defo his phone, didn't he show someone at a bar in Germany the video of the older woman being raped, or something along those lines, CB probably had more than 1 phone at a time

Were phones that sophisticated back in those days ? I thought he was supposed to have used a video camera to record his deeds.

 

[enquirer6]

I'd ask that if you're quoting me, you'd do so correctly and in context. Here's what I said:



We know he's a brutal rapist, that's a given. The critical word here is serial. Not brutal. Serial. As in guilty and convicted of multiple rapes. At present. he's not.

When/if the current rape charges result in convictions, then CB can rightly be described as a serial rapist. It's an important distinction and one I stick by since I believe in due process.

On a separate note, I really hope for HB's sake that she finally gets to see justice served.

How many convictions did ex-pc Wayne Cousins have before he murdered Sarah Everad?

Since, up to that point, he was a serving police-officer, presumably, none.

 

[G-Unit]

My guess is that CB's phone number is connecting all these cases together.

I thought they didn't prove that the number they were interested in in the MM case was actually his?

 

[Davieson]

I thought they didn't prove that the number they were interested in in the MM case was actually his?

I don''t think they've proved anything yet as that can only be done before a judge.

 

[RichardKimble]

That's what the courts and the judges are for. They don't expect the lay person to scrutinise the evidence and form an opinion on CB's guilt.

But let's not forget that CB is a convicted brutal rapist and child abuser.

If these 5 cases are in turn be brought to court and if CB is found guilty again - then this would maximise his dangerous and vile nature and perhaps make his MO concrete.

There must be some reason HCW has connected the cases of DM, HB and MM - because he has been quoted as connecting them. The most obvious to me as a layperson is MO. We shall see - time will tell.

The MO for the alleged rapes are breaking in tying the victim up whipping them and filming, bearing in mind Wolters said if they had a picture of CB with Madeleine they wouldn't have needed the appeal, how does this alleged MO figure in Madeleines disappearance?
Not forgetting C Mitchell stated that there was no sign of a break in .

Mr Mitchell made his comments when questioned by a 'Prime Time' team in a report on the disappearance. "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.

McCann family reverse story over break-in 'evidence'

The spokesman for the family of Madeleine McCann has reversed a statement made in the early days of the search for the missing child.

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

 

[tedtink]

Wegen Vergewaltigung! Maddie-Verdächtiger Christian Brückner angeklagt

Die Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig hat Anklage gegen Christian Brückner (45) erhoben. Es geht um eine Vergewaltigung im Jahr 2004 in Portugal.

www.bild.de

I've just re-read this article from Bild where FF is referring to the 5 indictments ^. I think what FF is saying is that he hasn't seen the witness statements from HB and MS regarding the MM investigation.

According to Fülscher, two of the indictments are “based almost exclusively on the statements of two dubious witnesses about the content of missing video recordings. Interrogations by German authorities also took place with these witnesses on the McCann case. But these statements are withheld from me.”

 

[tedtink]

The MO for the alleged rapes are breaking in tying the victim up whipping them and filming, bearing in mind Wolters said if they had a picture of CB with Madeleine they wouldn't have needed the appeal, how does this alleged MO figure in Madeleines disappearance?
Not forgetting C Mitchell stated that there was no sign of a break in .

Mr Mitchell made his comments when questioned by a 'Prime Time' team in a report on the disappearance. "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.

McCann family reverse story over break-in 'evidence'

The spokesman for the family of Madeleine McCann has reversed a statement made in the early days of the search for the missing child.

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

What's CM got to do with the German BKA investigation?

 

[RichardKimble]

What's CM got to do with the German BKA investigation?

Like it or not, if Wolters goes down the route of abduction from 5a where is the evidence, MO from the alleged rapes say breaking in there is no link to Madeleine from that.
If CB is guilty of anything to do with Madeleine fair enough, but I'm sure most if not all posters would like it proved in Wolters words of the strongest possible evidence not tenuous links.

 

[tedtink]

Like it or not, if Wolters goes down the route of abduction from 5a where is the evidence, MO from the alleged rapes say breaking in there is no link to Madeleine from that.
If CB is guilty of anything to do with Madeleine fair enough, but I'm sure most if not all posters would like it proved in Wolters words of the strongest possible evidence not tenuous links.

I can't see Wolters presenting tenuous links as evidence in murder trial, in a Court of Law, can you?

 

[C.greek]

I'd ask that if you're quoting me, you'd do so correctly and in context. Here's what I said:



We know he's a brutal rapist, that's a given. The critical word here is serial. Not brutal. Serial. As in guilty and convicted of multiple rapes. At present. he's not.

When/if the current rape charges result in convictions, then CB can rightly be described as a serial rapist. It's an important distinction and one I stick by since I believe in due process.

On a separate note, I really hope for HB's sake that she finally gets to see justice served.

Apologies for misquoting you - it was not apparent in your post that the onus was on the word "serial" - imo it changes nothing if he is a serial brutal rapist or a brutal rapist. He certainly was a strategic and methodical and extremelly brutal rapist in the case of DM. the judges think he is a dangerous person who could reoffend and commit the same crimes if he is let out of prison - so if they think that, I see no reason to doubt his evil nature. Even if he is not found guilty for all three brutal rapes they have charged him for, he would still remain an extremely brutal rapist... we have seen people committing heinous crimes for the first time... (many cases come to mind, Libby and Sarah for example). What would the word "serial" change??

 

[Davieson]

I can't see Wolters presenting tenuous links as evidence in murder trial, in a Court of Law, can you?

He may not see them as tenuous links. To him they may be 'concrete evidence'

 

[mrjitty]

Apologies for misquoting you - it was not apparent in your post that the onus was on the word "serial" - imo it changes nothing if he is a serial brutal rapist or a brutal rapist. He certainly was a strategic and methodical and extremelly brutal rapist in the case of DM. the judges think he is a dangerous person who could reoffend and commit the same crimes if he is let out of prison - so if they think that, I see no reason to doubt his evil nature. Even if he is not found guilty for all three brutal rapes they have charged him for, he would still remain an extremely brutal rapist... we have seen people committing heinous crimes for the first time... (many cases come to mind, Libby and Sarah for example). What would the word "serial" change??

BIB - well presumably for your purposes, if you are trying to establish an MO, that can help you in the MM case, then having more than one example of it, arguably helps with that ...

I must admit I am not a huge convert to that logic, but then i don't know how the MO might relate to the MM case.

Maybe in the course of these rape cases, they will present evidence of him routinely breaking into apartments etc - as claimed in the tabloid media

 

[Chiatos]

In what way exactly ?

I thought they didn't prove that the number they were interested in in the MM case was actually his?

The five cases are linked to CB as in he is the prime suspect.
If LE also has data indicating that that phone number was in the vicinity during those five acts, linking the phone to CB would be one step closer. And linking CB to 5A.
(apart from whatever other evidence they might have found)

 

[RichardKimble]

So I think it could be fair to say over the course of their investigation SY might well have helped in unearthing some evidence suggesting CB is involved in rapes and exposure in front of minors which as lead to indictments, but yet over the course of the investigation nothing has been uncovered that has lead to an indictment over the as yet unexplained disappearance of Madeleine, perhaps it doesn't exist.

 

[C.greek]

So I think it could be fair to say over the course of their investigation SY might well have helped in unearthing some evidence suggesting CB is involved in rapes and exposure in front of minors which as lead to indictments, but yet over the course of the investigation nothing has been uncovered that has lead to an indictment over the as yet unexplained disappearance of Madeleine, perhaps it doesn't exist.

I wouldn't call the charge for the incidence at Salema beach as just 'exposure in front of minors"! This mininises the incidence and the effect it has on the victim.

Moreover, we definitely cannot say that "nothing has been uncovered that has lead to an indictment" for MM. The investigation is in progress...

 

[G-Unit]

The five cases are linked to CB as in he is the prime suspect.
If LE also has data indicating that that phone number was in the vicinity during those five acts, linking the phone to CB would be one step closer. And linking CB to 5A.
(apart from whatever other evidence they might have found)

I'm not sure that the mobile phone company would still be able to produce the data needed so long after the events.

 

[enquirer6]

Like it or not, if Wolters goes down the route of abduction from 5a where is the evidence, MO from the alleged rapes say breaking in there is no link to Madeleine from that.
If CB is guilty of anything to do with Madeleine fair enough, but I'm sure most if not all posters would like it proved in Wolters words of the strongest possible evidence not tenuous links.

The strange thing is that much the same people who defend Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence have not accorded the same right to Kate and Gerry, against whom there is not one scintilla of credible evidence.

 

[RichardKimble]

I'm not sure that the mobile phone company would still be able to produce the data needed so long after the events.

The much maligned PJ investigation from which OG used the cell data from in 2014 for the three locals must be the source of any data now surely ?

 

[RichardKimble]

The strange thing is that much the same people who defend Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence have not accorded the same right to Kate and Gerry, against whom there is not one scintilla of credible evidence.

Have they not, who might "they" be ?

 

[mrjitty]

Well we aren't going to learn anything for a while, unless something leaks.

HCW's strategy is not without risk - e.g, if he does't succeed on the rape cases, what does that do for his MM case?

Hard to say what his angles are here, without knowing more.