Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

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  • #61
Perhaps the Germans owe someone in MI5 a favour who were involved in the early days. Can't think why, was national security at risk??
That might depend on who was involved.
I seem to remember early rumours about there being a an extra Tapas member who vanished, or perhaps was never there.

There certainly has to be some good reason why the British government was willing to spend £12 million on an investigation that achieved nothing.
 
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Do you think so ?
As a parent, just how many pictures of a child going to and from a creche would you want to take ?
Going by my own children at that age probably well over a hundred if both parents have a camera or camera on their phone. Just the one video has ever been published and that was at the airport. With the T7 I would expect numerous other images of MM. It’s utterly bizarre the few photos that have ever been released of that ‘holiday’
 
  • #63
Going by my own children at that age probably well over a hundred if both parents have a camera or camera on their phone. Just the one video has ever been published and that was at the airport. With the T7 I would expect numerous other images of MM. It’s utterly bizarre the few photos that have ever been released of that ‘holiday’
Maybe I'm of an earlier, pre-digital era, but I have relatively few photos of my children. In the days of film one was restricted to 36 shots per film and one tended to be selective about what was photographed. Even post-digital I still tend to be selective about what I photograph and don't take many family photos.
I dare say is an age thing.

I do wonder why the airport footage was ever made public. Why was it deemed necessary to show that Madeleine was on the flight?
 
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That might depend on who was involved.
I seem to remember early rumours about there being a an extra Tapas member who vanished, or perhaps was never there.

There certainly has to be some good reason why the British government was willing to spend £12 million on an investigation that achieved nothing.
Achieved nothing?

I think it fair to speculate that had Amaral and Almeida been allowed to rule the roost of the direction of the shelved enquiry, without input from the British, Kate and Gerry might, now, be in jail for the crimes of a third-party against their daughter.
 
  • #65
I’m not sure if anyone has been following the below case but it has similarities with the MM case. It’s a murder case without a body. There is no forensic evidence. It’s high profile (not Mm level). It’s a judge only trial, no jury. The accused, now convicted, perp has always maintained his innocence. The judge found him guilty 40 years after the fact.

With lowered eyes and little emotion, Chris Dawson learned his fate
For hours Chris Dawson waited silently, then he was led away in handcuffs
 
  • #66
Going by my own children at that age probably well over a hundred if both parents have a camera or camera on their phone. Just the one video has ever been published and that was at the airport. With the T7 I would expect numerous other images of MM. It’s utterly bizarre the few photos that have ever been released of that ‘holiday’
I think posts like this are veering off topic. While I agree that there are many oddities and peculiarities with much of the McCann, T7, Murat behaviour and actions pre and post MM’s abduction, they’re not the topic of this forum. Plenty of places online to discuss that stuff.
 
  • #67
Achieved nothing?

I think it fair to speculate that had Amaral and Almeida been allowed to rule the roost of the direction of the shelved enquiry, without input from the British, Kate and Gerry might, now, be in jail for the crimes of a third-party against their daughter.
Which is what exactly could happen to the German suspect.
 
  • #68
Grange was responsible for thr appeal on German TV..no Grange...no CB....and just how many crimrs may be solved because of this
 
  • #69
Grange was responsible for thr appeal on German TV..no Grange...no CB....and just how many crimrs may be solved because of this
I don’t think that the 2013 TV appeal was the starting point for the investigation into CB. I am almost certain it was information found at the box factory. Yes CB was on record because of the TV appeal but IMO, it didn’t drive the investigation.

Grange was set up and funded to solve one crime. To date it hasn’t done that so the only possible conclusion is that it has failed in its objective.
 
  • #70
I don’t think that the 2013 TV appeal was the starting point for the investigation into CB. I am almost certain it was information found at the box factory. Yes CB was on record because of the TV appeal but IMO, it didn’t drive the investigation.

Grange was set up and funded to solve one crime. To date it hasn’t done that so the only possible conclusion is that it has failed in its objective.
Long before the name of Brueckner was even mentioned in association with Madeleine's abduction, Scotland Yard said one of the possibilities they were investigating was a 'burglary gone wrong'.

How does that count as a 'failure'?
 
  • #71
Long before the name of Brueckner was even mentioned in association with Madeleine's abduction, Scotland Yard said one of the possibilities they were investigating was a 'burglary gone wrong'.

How does that count as a 'failure'?
Obviously you can believe what you want and if that’s that OG was a success then that’s your choice.

But, £12m for that piece of information is excessive. And, it’s a fairly obvious possibility. And, I’m pretty sure the statement was in connection with the three suspects - now cleared - identified in 2013 from the phone records.

It’s off topic anyhow, let’s move on.
 
  • #72
Long before the name of Brueckner was even mentioned in association with Madeleine's abduction, Scotland Yard said one of the possibilities they were investigating was a 'burglary gone wrong'.

How does that count as a 'failure'?
Show's what rubbish that was, how is stealing a child a burglary gone wrong, blooming jackpot for CB (not that it was him imo), not forgetting OG went after the three locals for such , phone data was the none existent key to them, along with CB.
 
  • #73
Show's what rubbish that was, how is stealing a child a burglary gone wrong, blooming jackpot for CB (not that it was him imo), not forgetting OG went after the three locals for such , phone data was the none existent key to them, along with CB.
Christian Brueckner entered apartment 5a with intent to burgle, and a long pedigree of such crime, and decided, instead, that he would take Madeleine. All wholly consistent with his established modus operandi.
 
  • #74
Christian Brueckner entered apartment 5a with intent to burgle, and a long pedigree of such crime, and decided, instead, that he would take Madeleine. All wholly consistent with his established modus operandi.
Who says CB entered 5a, where's the evidence for such a claim ? What Mo, show where he's been convicted of entering apartments with out leaving a trace ?
 
  • #75
Show's what rubbish that was, how is stealing a child a burglary gone wrong, blooming jackpot for CB (not that it was him imo), not forgetting OG went after the three locals for such , phone data was the none existent key to them, along with CB.
There are plausible options which we have discussed before. As an example, let’s say MM interrupted the burglar at the same time MO was carrying out his check. The burglar restrains MM, covering her mouth and nose. He inadvertently suffocates her.

There are of course other options involving opportunistic abuse which went wrong - I don’t need to provide details.
 
  • #76
Who says CB entered 5a, where's the evidence for such a claim ? What Mo, show where he's been convicted of entering apartments with out leaving a trace ?
The Germans can't place him in Luz, let alone in 5A.
 
  • #77
There are plausible options which we have discussed before. As an example, let’s say MM interrupted the burglar at the same time MO was carrying out his check. The burglar restrains MM, covering her mouth and nose. He inadvertently suffocates her.

There are of course other options involving opportunistic abuse which went wrong - I don’t need to provide details.
Yes I agree, but there is no evidence of an intruder in 5a, a half decent defence would ask for evidence of such if a prosecution were to go down that path , go back to the PJ files there is no crime scene photos of any break in, that path cannot be used surely . The only way Wolters can circumvent that is to say CB used the patio doors .
 
  • #78
The Germans can't place him in Luz, let alone in 5A.
I agree, as recently as May on the CH5 piece with MWT, Wolters tells those that will listen he cannot place CB in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007 .
 
  • #79
There are plausible options which we have discussed before. As an example, let’s say MM interrupted the burglar at the same time MO was carrying out his check. The burglar restrains MM, covering her mouth and nose. He inadvertently suffocates her.

There are of course other options involving opportunistic abuse which went wrong - I don’t need to provide details.
I wouldn't have bothered with the word opportunistic and just settled for abuse gone wrong.
 
  • #80
I know its the Mail, but .................



Madeleine McCann suspect's lawyers reveal 'evidence' they claim proves he did not rape US woman and say he should be released from prison​

  • Lawyers for Christian Brueckner, 45, claim new evidence exonerates him
  • Brueckner is the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
  • He is currently in jail in Germany for the rape of a US national in 2005
  • Feared if he is exonerated, he would disappear and escape justice for Madeleine
 
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