Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[Sabex]

I did wonder about something like that, though it must be a wider range of crimes in Germany if that is the case ie to include rape & child abuse.

I know that in Australia, if you're a citizen abroad and up to that kind of filth they'll arrest you and try you.

 

[Lilly b]

Hi all, hope you are keeping well

I noticed that last week that MWT tweeted this

"and next week my 3 part #MadeleineMcCann programme will be released."

This is now listed on C5 with a runtime of 90 minutes My5 , the earlier release back in May was only about an hour I think. Has anyone viewed this 'extended' version that could fill us in what was left out of the May release.

I remember MWT was setting up for an interview in a pub in Linden, Hanover, but I don't recall seeing that interview when this was originally released.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I took the time to listen to the podcast Murdered Missing Unsolved which continually plugs the book My Search for Madeleine.

I notice that the front cover includes a photo of CB (looking remarkably like Nadal) and MM together. I might have missed something but has he been arrested or convicted for his alleged role in MMs disappearance?

I notice the author is also very critical of Portuguese Police and disparaging of Praia da Luz in general.

At least he solved one part of this mystery for me. If you are a middle class professional you are a victim. That makes crime solving so much easier.

At the end of the podcast (and presumably book) he was no closer to nailing CB than law enforcement in Germany.

 

[enquirer6]

I took the time to listen to the podcast Murdered Missing Unsolved which continually plugs the book My Search for Madeleine.

I notice that the front cover includes a photo of CB (looking remarkably like Nadal) and MM together. I might have missed something but has he been arrested or convicted for his alleged role in MMs disappearance?

I notice the author is also very critical of Portuguese Police and disparaging of Praia da Luz in general.

At least he solved one part of this mystery for me. If you are a middle class professional you are a victim. That makes crime solving so much easier.

At the end of the podcast (and presumably book) he was no closer to nailing CB than law enforcement in Germany.

Personally, I would fret much more about the insensitivity to the McCanns of such imagry.

Irrespective of his guilt or innocence of crimes against Madeleine, Brueckner is a nasty piece of work, currently serving a prison sentence for a brutal rape, with a history of convictions for crimes against children and who would have regarded a perpetrator not him of crime(s) against Madeleine as a 'missed opportunity'.

He does have certain rights. He has a right to protection from violence from other inmates, to food and water, to exercise.

But not much beyond that.

 

[Chiatos]

An example of a no-body conviction: In the disappearance case of Sumanta Bansi in The Netherlands, the suspect always denied any involvement. Despite of that, LE did not believe him and was convinced that he was guilty of murder.
He was charged, prosecuted and pronounced guilty for her murder although her remains had never been found. Despite extensive searches by police.

Now that the suspect/culprit has remained incarcerated for the last couple of months, and that he has been convicted for 15 years imprisonment, he has finally confessed killing Sumanta and he has led LE to the spot where he had hidden her remains.

 

[RichardKimble]

An example of a no-body conviction: In the disappearance case of Sumanta Bansi in The Netherlands, the suspect always denied any involvement. Despite of that, LE did not believe him and was convinced that he was guilty of murder.
He was charged, prosecuted and pronounced guilty for her murder although her remains had never been found. Despite extensive searches by police.

Now that the suspect/culprit has remained incarcerated for the last couple of months, and that he has been convicted for 15 years imprisonment, he has finally confessed killing Sumanta and he has led LE to the spot where he had hidden her remains.

What was the evidence to link the killer in the first place, there have been a few no body convictions in the uk, but one of note that won't proceed is the Suzi Lamplugh disappearance, the LE have named a suspect not unlike in the McCann case but the CPS won't prosecute because least of all because nothing can be found to link the suspect and S lamplugh together.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

What was the evidence to link the killer in the first place, there have been a few no body convictions in the uk, but one of note that won't proceed is the Suzi Lamplugh disappearance, the LE have named a suspect not unlike in the McCann case but the CPS won't prosecute because least of all because nothing can be found to link the suspect and S lamplugh together.

Since I created Sumanta Bansi's thread, I thought I'd respond. Here is her thread; there was a clear connection between her and the suspect and obvious personal motive (in my opinion only).

Netherlands - Sumanta Bansi, 23, Hoorn, 18 Feb 2018

Sumanta Bansi Sumanta Bansi Missing since Sunday, February 18th 2018 from Hoorn. Age when missing: 23 years old Current Age: 25 years old Case number: 2018229671 Description Sumanta, a Surinamese-Hindu woman, stayed since 2016 in The Netherlands because of her studies in Amsterdam...

www.websleuths.com

Thank you @Chiatos for posting an update about her case.
IMO they had enough evidence to convict in her case even though she remained missing.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I guess one key difference with the MM case is that in addition to a ‘no body’ murder case, it’s also a ‘stranger’ one too - approx only 10% of murders are committed by strangers.

You could perhaps safely assume that there would be more evidence when the perp is known to the victim as in the Sumanti Bansi and the Lyn Dawson one I posted a few pages back.

I feel gaining a conviction would be easier for LE if the suspect is known to the victim.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes - a good example is killer Scott Watson, who opportunistically abducted and murdered two teenagers on NYE back in '98 and likely dumped the bodies at sea.

Critical to the case was hair from the female victim being found on his boat.

Murders of Ben Smart and Olivia Hope - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

One of the problems PJ also had, is without the body, how do you prove what crime was committed (if any)

Generally the fact of murder would have to be inferred from other circumstantial evidence.

 

[RichardKimble]

The above convictions without bodies all have the connection between the victims and perps, there is none in CB's case.

 

[mrjitty]

There has to be something, otherwise I don't think the process would have allowed HCW to make his public statements

 

[enquirer6]

Adrian Prout was convicted without the evidence of a body. He only revealed where he had hidden Kate's body some years after his conviction.

 

[RichardKimble]

DBM

 

[RichardKimble]

There has to be something, otherwise I don't think the process would have allowed HCW to make his public statements

A tentative link perchance, the appeal was trying to firm up on. It doesn't look as anything substantial emerged , there'll be no retraction of the stance, its where it ends, CB or no one , the almost perfect patsy ?

 

[mrjitty]

Like I say, I think HCW and team believed that once they dug into the right guy, they would find the body - i don't think they want to prosecute a no body case - it is in fact one of most obvious reasons why they haven't moved.

My feeling is without a body, they don't have a case, unless they have some other magic piece of evidence, because you know what FF will run with as a defence, and you need a silver bullet for that.

 

[Trivento]

Was just reading an old article from 2007 linked here …

Madeleine: Police talk of 'positive feeling'

A senior Portuguese police officer said detectives investigating Madeleine McCann’s disappearance had a “positive feeling” about the inquiry as they await key DNA test results.

www.irishexaminer.com

It refers to a Times article talking about blood DNA tests from a 5A sample as possibly being from a North Eastern European man…

“British detectives and sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to help with the inquiry discovered the blood stains in the McCanns’ flat three weeks ago.

DNA tests have revealed the blood probably came from a man from north-eastern Europe, The Times reported last week.”

Not sure if much came of this suggestion , if it was accurate , or exactly who is supposed to have proposed the hypothesis .

I’m no expert ..is it possible to source a DNA sample to a particular region ..? eg. North Eastern Europe as opposed to South Western Europe ..?

Found an article on topic , maybe relevant , linked here …

DNA ethnicity: What do DNA test results mean? | Who Do You Think You Are Magazine

We look at how you can use DNA ethnicity tests to find out more about your heritage and family history

www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com

Perhaps has been discussed here previously , but I don’t recall seeing much MM related talk anywhere of a DNA sample from a North Eastern European man .

Of course perhaps such an individual stayed in 5A separate to McCanns time there and could have been sample source , if there is accuracy in the report .. or was this mistaken interpretation , or something else ?

 

[Trivento]

Was just reading an old article from 2007 linked here …

Madeleine: Police talk of 'positive feeling'

A senior Portuguese police officer said detectives investigating Madeleine McCann’s disappearance had a “positive feeling” about the inquiry as they await key DNA test results.

www.irishexaminer.com

It refers to a Times article talking about blood DNA tests from a 5A sample as possibly being from a North Eastern European man…

“British detectives and sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to help with the inquiry discovered the blood stains in the McCanns’ flat three weeks ago.

DNA tests have revealed the blood probably came from a man from north-eastern Europe, The Times reported last week.”

Not sure if much came of this suggestion , if it was accurate , or exactly who is supposed to have proposed the hypothesis .

I’m no expert ..is it possible to source a DNA sample to a particular region ..? eg. North Eastern Europe as opposed to South Western Europe ..?

Found an article on topic , maybe relevant , linked here …

DNA ethnicity: What do DNA test results mean? | Who Do You Think You Are Magazine

We look at how you can use DNA ethnicity tests to find out more about your heritage and family history

www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com

Perhaps has been discussed here previously , but I don’t recall seeing much MM related talk anywhere of a DNA sample from a North Eastern European man .

Of course perhaps such an individual stayed in 5A separate to McCanns time there and could have been sample source , if there is accuracy in the report .. or was this mistaken interpretation , or something else ?

The Birmingham lab reports later said samples were not meaningful .. but if Portuguese police at time thought sample could have been from a North Eastern European man .. how does that match with GA's proposal that blood samples could have been MM's and then go after McCanns ?

If there is anything accurate in the above quoted report regarding regional direction / gender of the samples , I guess is not a huge stretch to propose a Bavarian male could be of North Eastern European ancestry , and potentially be the sample souce , compared to a man from somewhere like the Algarve in the South West of Europe for example ..

 

[Chiatos]

What was the evidence to link the killer in the first place, there have been a few no body convictions in the uk, but one of note that won't proceed is the Suzi Lamplugh disappearance, the LE have named a suspect not unlike in the McCann case but the CPS won't prosecute because least of all because nothing can be found to link the suspect and S lamplugh together.

I understand the link-question. Obviously, in the Bansi case, there was an indisputable link between the killer and the victim.
However, the interesting part is that LE was convinced that Sumanta Bansi had been killed/murdered. Sumanta was a missing person, but LE pronounced her dead by deduction.

 

[enquirer6]

Madeleine McCann’s parents 'to be given long-awaited verdict after being blamed for her disappearance'

Madeleine McCann's parents are set to receive a long-awaited verdict after being blamed for their daughter's disappearance. Read more here.

www.entertainmentdaily.co.uk

Madeleine McCann’s parents, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann, are set to be given a long-awaited verdict after being blamed for her disappearance.


Kate and Gerry will finally find out on Tuesday (September 20) if they’ve won a libel case.

Kate and Gerry will receive the verdict on Tuesday (Credit: Sky News / YouTube)

Parents of Madeleine McCann to receive verdict​

Back in 2008, in a book called The Truth of the Lie, Goncalo Amaral accused Kate and Gerry of being behind their daughter’s disappearance.




Kate and Gerry sued Amaral for libel and won the first round of the court case.


An injunction was granted to prevent any further sales of the book. However, Amaral appealed the deicision.


What followed was years of litigation, which also at one point saw Amaral pay the McCann’s £429,000 in compensation.


However, he won the case in 2017.


This was after Portugal’s highest court ruled that Amaral was entitled to “freedom of expression”.

Kate and Gerry had sued Amaral (Credit: SplashNews.com)

Parents of Madeleine McCann fight back​

However, in a last ditch effort, the McCann’s went to the European Court of Human Rights.


They have been waiting for a decision ever since.



Technically, the case being considered by the Court of Human Rights is against Portugal and Porteugese justice, not Amaral himself.


If the McCann’s are to lose, they could be forced to pay considerable costs.


Paperwork obtained by the Daily Mail shows that the McCanns claim the allegations made by Amaral “infringed their right to respect for their private life and their right to presumption of innocence”.


In an announcement on Thursday, the ECHR said the judgement was among 24 that would be published on Tuesday.

Maddie went missing 15 years ago (Credit: Sky News / YouTube)

Kate and Gerry ‘continue to fight’ after daughter’s disappearance​

The latest update comes after it was claimed that Madeleine‘s parents “continue to fight” for their daughter, 15 years on.


Last month, the Find Madeleine Facebook page paid tribute to Kate and Gerry with a heartfelt post.


The campaign coordinater posted a meme on the page, explaining that it reminded them of Kate and Gerry.


The meme read: “The strongest people are the ones who are still kind after the world tore them apart.”

They continue to fight for Madeleine and will do so until they have her home or know what happened to her.

Explaining the post, the coordinater said: “I saw this meme yesterday and it made me think of Kate and Gerry.


“With everything that has been thrown at them, they are some of the kindest people I know.”


They then continued, saying: “They continue to fight for Madeleine and will do so until they have her home or know what happened to her.”


They then thanked everyone for their continued support with the search.


Read more: Madeleine McCann: Joe Lycett ‘mortified’ over joke about her disappearance

 

[enquirer6]

Especially against the backdrop of present developments, how on earth can a book of Amaral's, accusing the McCanns of killing Madeleine with an overdose of calpol, hiding their dead daughter's body, fabricating abduction and launching a fraudulent fund in their dead daughter's name possibly be deemed other than libelous?