Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[Anxala]

The general discussion about the costs of OG is kind of disgusting IMO.

Well then, what's a little missing girls life worth?

With respect, if you have a problem with perfectly reasonable interest in and discussion about why OG's remit has been extended, then get in touch with the mods and let them decide who's 'disgusting' here.

I don't appreciate it and it's against the forum T&Cs.

 

[G-Unit]

The general discussion about the costs of OG is kind of disgusting IMO.

Well then, what's a little missing girls life worth?

Should all missing children's investigations be given ring-fenced funding by the Home Office then?

 

[frank-cole]

In what way can FF slow things down?

In reality the prosecutor can bring charges / arrest the suspect the moment he feels he has the evidence ....

I get that the defence has been confronted with evidence in the other cases but seems odd to claim FF has slowed things down.

The majority of it will be procedural tricks to create time between getting the files & arrests. Such as requesting extensions, asking the prosecution to once again show that there are no holes in the extradition process & paperwork (even though they already did so in the DM case) & putting in a request to reopen the DM case even though he knows it will fail.

This is all my opinion & I think Fulscher is definitely going after technicalities to slow things down & occupy the defence so he has more time to construct a defence that is already very weak. My impression of Fulscher is that he’s very tuned in to technicalities but when it comes to a defence based on actual evidence, he’ll always fall short. Not surprising, he has a tough client & he’s up against one the worlds most elite LEA’s.
I too thought they’d come in at any point to make the arrest & that may well be. But it’s important to acknowledge that the German system isn’t the same as the things we see & read about from many of the other Western legal systems.

I do think charges are imminent & I’m assuming things like (again) dealing with the Italians to show the extradition process will soon be concluded.

There could be other reasons for the delay such as other evidence coming in or another victim coming forward.

Whatever the current circumstances I absolutely thing CB is soon to face some major charges that’ll put him away for a few decades.

Justice is coming.

 

[frank-cole]

So you think he's making a statement re the BKA evidence... The BKA disagree with him and have not given any statement to say so.
So when Wolters says "We believe".... You think he is just speaking for himself and not the investigation.... And when he says " I" am not allowed to answer that question.. Does that not indicate he is being told what he can... And cannot say.


Who do you think is telling him what he can and cannot say... Who is he responsible to if not the BKA

Good point. When reading gossip feeds on FB,twitter, tumblr etc, there’s always this wave of emotion & desire to attack & vilify HCW, as if he’s the reason CB is being investigated for murder. There’s this mentality that if HCW isn’t in the equation then CB isn’t responsible. In reality HCW has nothing to do with the concrete evidence against CB.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The general discussion about the costs of OG is kind of disgusting IMO.

Well then, what's a little missing girls life worth?

This little girl’s life is clearly worth far more (grossly so) than the lives of all other missing children. The unfairness is disgusting IMO!

Beyond people’s emotional responses, what does the British taxpayer have to show for all this money? The Portuguese investigation has largely been made public and has been widely criticised. It would be nice to see just how far OG has got on any line of enquiry.

 

[G-Unit]

So you think he's making a statement re the BKA evidence... The BKA disagree with him and have not given any statement to say so.
So when Wolters says "We believe".... You think he is just speaking for himself and not the investigation.... And when he says " I" am not allowed to answer that question.. Does that not indicate he is being told what he can... And cannot say.


Who do you think is telling him what he can and cannot say... Who is he responsible to if not the BKA

Wolters is a spokesman. He has superiors and they're not in the BKA any more than José de Magalhaes e Menezes was answerable to the PJ.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Good point. When reading gossip feeds on FB,twitter, tumblr etc, there’s always this wave of emotion & desire to attack & vilify HCW, as if he’s the reason CB is being investigated for murder. There’s this mentality that if HCW isn’t in the equation then CB isn’t responsible. In reality HCW has nothing to do with the concrete evidence against CB.

But everything to do with the misinformation relating to the case - they will, they won’t charge; the charges will be in the next 2-3 three weeks, no they won’t; they have the evidence to charge but they haven’t. As a communications specialist, HCW hasn’t done a good job.

To this point, we aren’t even sure what HCW’s definition of ‘concrete evidence’ is, all we know is that it’s not forensic.

 

[enquirer6]

But everything to do with the misinformation relating to the case - they will, they won’t charge; the charges will be in the next 2-3 three weeks, no they won’t; they have the evidence to charge but they haven’t. As a communications specialist, HCW hasn’t done a good job.

To this point, we aren’t even sure what HCW’s definition of ‘concrete evidence’ is, all we know is that it’s not forensic.

I believe the German definition of concrete is not the same, and less emphatic, than the English?

I'm sure superdad will correct me on that if I am wrong.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I believe the German definition of concrete is not the same, and less emphatic, than the English?

I'm sure superdad will correct me on that if I am wrong.

And this is the problem: concrete is analogous to emphatic, surely that is the same in German as it is in English.

IMO, it all seems to be pointing to witness statements and ‘Das Buch’. The rest looks like a bluff to try and get CB to reveal any real info he has… this might not be much.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I believe the German definition of concrete is not the same, and less emphatic, than the English?

I'm sure superdad will correct me on that if I am wrong.

You are right. It means, that there is evidence and not just an indication. Not more, not less.

 

[Dave55]

You are right. It means, that there is evidence and not just an indication. Not more, not less.

It must be significant to convince the investigation that he is 100% guilty... And we know Wolters is speaking not just for himself but for the entire investigation

 

[Dave55]

And this is the problem: concrete is analogous to emphatic, surely that is the same in German as it is in English.

IMO, it all seems to be pointing to witness statements and ‘Das Buch’. The rest looks like a bluff to try and get CB to reveal any real info he has… this might not be much.

Based on what he has said I think its highly likely he has a photo.. Video

 

[frank-cole]

But everything to do with the misinformation relating to the case - they will, they won’t charge; the charges will be in the next 2-3 three weeks, no they won’t; they have the evidence to charge but they haven’t. As a communications specialist, HCW hasn’t done a good job.

To this point, we aren’t even sure what HCW’s definition of ‘concrete evidence’ is, all we know is that it’s not forensic.

IMO it’s quite straightforward & the message is consistent. He’s described their evidence using several words concrete, material, strong. Also saying sure, certain, convinced. Therefore I’m certain they have evidence MM is dead & CB killed her. Likely photographic & written.

IMO the interpretation of the word ‘concrete’ (from German to English) & the suggestion that it may mean something other than what we attribute it to, is very easily clarified via the other ways he’s described that evidence.

He has been cautious with his recent MM investigation comments, but I don’t think that’s a sign that the case has weakened or their position has changed. IMO they don’t want to ‘rock the boat’ when they’re about to make 5 charges.

 

[mrjitty]

I do wonder if we are putting the cart before the horse a bit.

As far as we know, CB has not been charged with these offences, nor any move made to extradite him - at least no Mainstream source says so.

The last thing we reliably know, is that FF was given access to part of the case files which is part of the preliminary investigative process where BKA / prosecutor is investigating the crimes - pre charging.

A critical step in that process, would be CB being interrogated.

Then a charging decision is made.

Thats the next thing i'd expect to hear about - an interrogation.

ETA - I think they need to issue an arrest warrant to Italy to extradite?

 

[mrjitty]

You are right. It means, that there is evidence and not just an indication. Not more, not less.

Agreed.

To me it means there is something real and tangible, not just theoretical. Nothing else he said alters that.

He has a theory of the case and tangible evidence to support it. That evidence could be of any type but is not forensic.

 

[mrjitty]

IMO it’s quite straightforward & the message is consistent. He’s described their evidence using several words concrete, material, strong. Also saying sure, certain, convinced. Therefore I’m certain they have evidence MM is dead & CB killed her. Likely photographic & written.

IMO the interpretation of the word ‘concrete’ (from German to English) & the suggestion that it may mean something other than what we attribute it to, is very easily clarified via the other ways he’s described that evidence.

He has been cautious with his recent MM investigation comments, but I don’t think that’s a sign that the case has weakened or their position has changed. IMO they don’t want to ‘rock the boat’ when they’re about to make 5 charges.

His usage of it was actually very similar to the equivalent English usage.

If you say "we are taking concrete steps to resolve the case" that means you are taking real, tangible actions

My difference in opinion with DLK is that you can over interpret these words as if HCW was trying to impart some precise spin, when the general meaning in german was clear to anyone.

 

[mrjitty]

It must be significant to convince the investigation that he is 100% guilty... And we know Wolters is speaking not just for himself but for the entire investigation

Again in the other case I cited, evidence that convinced US law enforcement the accused was 100% guilty was confession to a source, plus background facts. i.e, he fitted the theory, then told a rat how he did it.

In this case, there are said to be multiple such confessions, and a book.

IMO that would meet everything HCW has said, but be tenuous for charging.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

IMO it’s quite straightforward & the message is consistent. He’s described their evidence using several words concrete, material, strong. Also saying sure, certain, convinced. Therefore I’m certain they have evidence MM is dead & CB killed her. Likely photographic & written.

IMO the interpretation of the word ‘concrete’ (from German to English) & the suggestion that it may mean something other than what we attribute it to, is very easily clarified via the other ways he’s described that evidence.

He has been cautious with his recent MM investigation comments, but I don’t think that’s a sign that the case has weakened or their position has changed. IMO they don’t want to ‘rock the boat’ when they’re about to make 5 charges.

A year ago he said they had enough evidence to charge. Now he is saying he doesn’t know if they will charge him.

He has also said that the time the investigation is taking is to build a stronger case.

So he has either been untruthful or further investigation is weakening rather than strengthening the case.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Based on what he has said I think its highly likely he has a photo.. Video

You might be right but if he does, it doesn’t implicate CB. Bit like having a Ferrari without an engine.

 

[Dave55]

A year ago he said they had enough evidence to charge. Now he is saying he doesn’t know if they will charge him.

He has also said that the time the investigation is taking is to build a stronger case.

So he has either been untruthful or further investigation is weakening rather than strengthening the case.

I think we need to know Wolters precise wording which I don't believe we do