Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[Dave55]

Even I’m bored now.

Either provide a link or accept that your arguments have no credibility.

Thats your opinion.. You should make it clear its opinion.
My opinion is shared by others.. Is based on evidence... And has credibility


You really are wasting time trying to prove otherwise

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Thats your opinion.. You should make it clear its opinion.
My opinion is shared by others.. Is based on evidence... And has credibility


You really are wasting time trying to prove otherwise

No, it’s not my opinion, the facts are available in our prior posts - surely with your scientific background you can assess this evidence.

I’ve provided a good argument, I have nothing further to say.

Respectfully, please do the same.

 

[Dave55]

No, it’s not my opinion, the facts are available in our prior posts - surely with your scientific background you can assess this evidence.

I’ve provided a good argument, I have nothing further to say.

Respectfully, please do the same.

You may think you've provided a good ar... That's your opinion.. I disagree..... I don't think you've provided any argument at all.. Happy to leave it there

 

[mrjitty]

FWIW, HCW doesn't seem to have said anything since July via the German Press Agency in local media.

I share skepticism at english language reporting in tabloids which isn't corroborated by more trustworthy sources.

On the other hand, we know he has in fact given quotes to tabloids and other lower quality publications before.

 

[Lilly b]

Something to give you an idea of timescale and procedure in Germany,. This is April and is now a live trial started September, it's the boystown trial

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...-file-charges-over-major-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬-site.html

 

[Lilly b]

Something to give you an idea of timescale and procedure in Germany,. This is April and is now a live trial started September, it's the boystown trial

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...r-major-child-*advertiser censored*-site.html

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2...hild-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-trial-begins.rkW1kmOybi.html

 

[Lilly b]

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2...rtiser censored*-trial-begins.rkW1kmOybi.html

Sorry if link not working, but it's easy to Google

 

[SuperdadV8]

Sorry if link not working, but it's easy to Google

Right. And the alleged culprits had been arrested in may 2021....!

 

[enquirer6]

Neither pre nor post May 3 2007 has CB had any convictions or been to trial for abduction or murder.

I am not defending CB, he is a despicable human being based on what we know for certain but re the bold, I think that is what you believe, not what his history shows.

I don't suppose ex-"PC" Wayne Cousins had ever, actually, murdered anyone before he murdered Sarah Everard.

The paradoxical thing is that the same people who queue to defend Breuckner, at least against suggestions that he is implicated in anything untoward that befell Madeleine, queue to accuse Madeleine's parents, and not just of (alleged) 'neglect'.

 

[mrjitty]

I don't suppose ex-"PC" Wayne Cousins had ever, actually, murdered anyone before he murdered Sarah Everard.

The paradoxical thing is that the same people who queue to defend Breuckner, at least against suggestions that he is implicated in anything untoward that befell Madeleine, queue to accuse Madeleine's parents, and not just of (alleged) 'neglect'.

I'd like to respond to the substance of this, because i reject any implication that I "defend" Breuckner, if you are implying that in my case.

Personally I think we have to be very careful about assuming things based on a mere profile. A profile helps police narrow down where to look for the evidence that proves someone is guilty. The profile itself does not normally offer any proof.

We haven't been offered any actual evidence CB is guilty - just unsubstantiated claims by the prosecutor based on secret evidence. Similarly parts of his 'profile' come from media reports - not from testimony or evidence produced in court.

So until the prosecutor makes his evidence public I think I cannot make any judgement at all, other than HCW currently appears to lack the evidence to bring a convincing case against CB.

Paradoxically, PJ actually followed the constitutional approach of naming suspects and confronting them with the evidence against them, which was shown not to hold up to the standard required for charging, according to the Portuguese prosecutors office

Given the history of this case, I find it strange anyone is happy to trust in unsubstantiated allegations.

 

[Dave55]

I'd like to respond to the substance of this, because i reject any implication that I "defend" Breuckner, if you are implying that in my case.

Personally I think we have to be very careful about assuming things based on a mere profile. A profile helps police narrow down where to look for the evidence that proves someone is guilty. The profile itself does not normally offer any proof.

We haven't been offered any actual evidence CB is guilty - just unsubstantiated claims by the prosecutor based on secret evidence. Similarly parts of his 'profile' come from media reports - not from testimony or evidence produced in court.

So until the prosecutor makes his evidence public I think I cannot make any judgement at all, other than HCW currently appears to lack the evidence to bring a convincing case against CB.

Paradoxically, PJ actually followed the constitutional approach of naming suspects and confronting them with the evidence against them, which was shown not to hold up to the standard required for charging, according to the Portuguese prosecutors office

Given the history of this case, I find it strange anyone is happy to trust in unsubstantiated allegations.

Not sure trust is the right word. From what Wolters has said and the lack of dissenting voices from the BKA I think its highly like he has the evidence he claims

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don't suppose ex-"PC" Wayne Cousins had ever, actually, murdered anyone before he murdered Sarah Everard.

The paradoxical thing is that the same people who queue to defend Breuckner, at least against suggestions that he is implicated in anything untoward that befell Madeleine, queue to accuse Madeleine's parents, and not just of (alleged) 'neglect'.

You have a habit of twisting things and responding to points that haven’t been made and it’s not okay.

In this post or any prior ones I have not defended CB. I pointed out an issue with your statement: “… has the exact profile…”, which is simply untrue because he has never committed either of the crimes he is being accused of now. How can he have the exact profile?

I have also never accused the McCanns. I have suggested that their suspicious actions and behaviour have caused them to be suspects - I’ll stand by this, it’s true.

I have no issue with you arguing with me but don’t misrepresent what I’ve said.

 

[mrjitty]

Neither pre nor post May 3 2007 has CB had any convictions or been to trial for abduction or murder.

I am not defending CB, he is a despicable human being based on what we know for certain but re the bold, I think that is what you believe, not what his history shows.

This is why propensity reasoning is tightly controlled in Courts - it can easily lead to logical fallacies

For instance, many women are subject to DV or DA, but only a tiny percentage are murdered by their domestic partner. However given a domestic murder, you will often find a history of DV/DA.

In the case of CB, we know that breaking an entering is often part of the profile of rapists - a path of escalation. There is a good chance he did other rapes. But whether he did a particular rape we can't say without specific evidence.

The Libby Squire case illustrates how this kind of legal reasoning can play out. But the key point is, it is all about how his prior offending fitted to the circumstances of the murder. Until we know HCW's evidence, I am not sure what exactly CBs profile proves.

 

[mrjitty]

Not sure trust is the right word. From what Wolters has said and the lack of dissenting voices from the BKA I think its highly like he has the evidence he claims

PJ claimed the same thing!

(I am not saying he is making it up but as with PJ, I think the lesson is to be sceptical when law enforcement make unsubstantiated claims).

 

[Dave55]

“Because there is no forensic evidence there may be a little bit of hope (that she is alive),”

Madeleine McCann may be alive says prosecutor who said she was dead

"We don’t want to kill the hope and because there is no forensic evidence it may be theoretically possible."

www.walesonline.co.uk

As I recall Wolters originally said MM was dead based on his evidence.
After an objection by her parents he said they don't have proof of death but there evidence leaves little or no hope of her survival. It fits with photo... Video.. evidence of abuse

 

[mrjitty]

As I recall Wolters originally said MM was dead based on his evidence.
After an objection by her parents he said they don't have proof of death but there evidence leaves little or no hope of her survival. It fits with photo... Video.. evidence of abuse

Or the confession of the suspect.

Let's be realistic. The known facts make it overwhelmingly likely she is dead, without need for a photo

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I'd like to respond to the substance of this, because i reject any implication that I "defend" Breuckner, if you are implying that in my case.

Personally I think we have to be very careful about assuming things based on a mere profile. A profile helps police narrow down where to look for the evidence that proves someone is guilty. The profile itself does not normally offer any proof.

We haven't been offered any actual evidence CB is guilty - just unsubstantiated claims by the prosecutor based on secret evidence. Similarly parts of his 'profile' come from media reports - not from testimony or evidence produced in court.

So until the prosecutor makes his evidence public I think I cannot make any judgement at all, other than HCW currently appears to lack the evidence to bring a convincing case against CB.

Paradoxically, PJ actually followed the constitutional approach of naming suspects and confronting them with the evidence against them, which was shown not to hold up to the standard required for charging, according to the Portuguese prosecutors office

Given the history of this case, I find it strange anyone is happy to trust in unsubstantiated allegations.

We are not even hearing anything from HCW now on the extended time period the case is taking.

If there is strong evidence against CB it doesn’t matter what his profile says about him, he should be charged.

I think you’re very right on the investigation, it looks to be in trouble. You’ve mentioned in the past about HCW knowing CB is guilty but not perhaps having the evidence to prove it. If the evidence can’t get CB to the indictment stage then this brings into question just how strong it is. I’ve the last two years, I’ve gone from feeling certain CB did it to now perhaps thinking he had nothing to do with it.

 

[G-Unit]

Goncalo Amaral forecast in 2019 that there would be accusations made against a German who was in prison. There were. So were they correct or was Amaral correct when he said the man was a patsy?

 

[Dave55]

PJ claimed the same thing!

(I am not saying he is making it up but as with PJ, I think the lesson is to be sceptical when law enforcement make unsubstantiated claims).

We know the PJ made that claim based on ignorance and poor understanding of evidence... I would expect the Germans to be more professional

 

[Dave55]

Goncalo Amaral forecast in 2019 that there would be accusations made against a German who was in prison. There were. So were they correct or was Amaral correct when he said the man was a patsy?

Not sure why you have so much faith in amaral based on his past inventions of evidence. He obviously knew CB was being investigated from his connections and again because he doesn't understand the evidence he thinks the mccanns are guilty and CB is a patsy.
I think that's his own imagination.. What evidence is there that CB is a patsy