Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[mrjitty]

Lack of real information inevitably causes people to form there own views on the snippets and the actions of HCW - some see his apparent lack of progress and conflicting updates as signs of strategic execution. I don’t. I think that what we’re hearing in the media reflects problems.

I disagree that my views show impatience. Sensational claims were made by HCW over two years ago and he has claimed he has enough evidence to charge for a year. Nevertheless, there is no charge.

If you think about your six points. Kindly, 1 to 3 are irreverent if he had the evidence to charge in October 21. Point 4, while also unnecessary, would certainly strengthen the case but there is no signs of them even searching, it may never be found. Number 5 is yet to be seen, it’s another example of HCW providing a timeline and not meeting it. Number 6, is there really a source that provides good reason for us to believe it has any link to MM… any statement from anyone within German LE?

Let’s hope that HCW and the BKA really do have the goods on CB. It really is the worst outcome if the German investigation ends up being shelved.

Thanks for your thoughts. I tend to agree and would add

1. A german prosecutor must wait until his/her case meets the standards for prosecution - i.e likelihood of success. Not charging tends to indicate the case is at best borderline.

2. While taking the time to get the case right before charging makes sense, that logic can only be taken so far. What exactly would HCW's team be waiting for or working on 2 years later? Especially when HCW now says an indictment may not be possible?

The germans started working on this case long before they went public. More than two years have passed since the public appeal - this begins to feel more like they are still looking for the break in the case, rather than simply analysing evidence.

 

[mrjitty]

The BKA were also closing in on a conviction for the DM case another monumental balls up by the PJ .

RSBM

To be fair, most countries including the UK and US have very poor rape clearance rates, so it is not surprising that a tipoff was how it was closed using the forensics PJ recovered from the scene.

Indeed historical rapes are often solved this way. i.e the rapist is eventually caught, and they run his DNA and get a match on a historical rape kit sample.

 

[Dave55]

gunit thinks amaral may be right....that the dogs alerted to cadaver odour...and that CB is a patsy...thats my view of her views

 

[Dave55]

To be fair, most countries including the UK and US have very poor rape clearance rates, so it is not surprising that a tipoff was how it was closed using the forensics PJ recovered from the scene.

Indeed historical rapes are often solved this way. i.e the rapist is eventually caught, and they run his DNA and get a match on a historical rape kit sample.

agreed...Ive always thought this case would only be solved a s a result of a tip off...and that may be exactly what happens. portugal does not have a dna database...if they had perhaps the rape would have been solved

 

[mrjitty]

I will look at it and get back you but... The Germans solved the American rape case and may solve more cases that the PJ failed on

The point is that transparency is how we evaluate.

In the Wirecard case, German Authorities began investigating the FT journalists who were exposing the fraud due to briefings from the actual fraudsters! So when the prosecutor said "they had evidence" the evidence was actually just allegations by people who were engaged in the largest stock market fraud germany has ever seen.

Now of course the Met is also racked with corruption issues, and that doesn't mean they don't do a lot of great police work solving murders, but I definitely would be slow to trust them just on their say so

In any event, I am not inclined to give some special weight just because its the germans.

 

[Dave55]

Reference?

this is the best I can find at the moment..

While the attack unfolded in 2005, the man was only charged in August last year after a former friend found footage of the assault after stealing a video camera.

The witness told German police he had taken the camera from Christian's home in Praia da Luz in 2006.




Cold case detectives then probed the attack - finding a hair at the villa that linked Christian there.

Maddie suspect raped US tourist 10 mins from where toddler vanished months later

THE prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance had raped a 72-year-old US tourist at a Portuguese villa just ten minutes from where the toddler vanished 18 months later. Christian B fi…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[mrjitty]

^ Agree.

Somewhere on this thread (the earlier part, I think), there's an interview/article(? I can't remember which but I know I and others commented upon it) where HCW complains about his comments being 'misrepresented'. He doesn't deny his comments or the quotes attributed to him, just the manner in which they, according to him, have been taken for a wild tabloid ride. He seemed to be placing the blame on the media - the same media he regularly gives not just quotes but exclusives to! - rather than taking any responsibility for the many vague, ambiguous and downright contradictory things he himself, over time, has said that have generated the alleged flights of fancy he's complaining about.

I agree with this.

We can take his justifications as a bureaucrat defending his patch, or as the actual clever investigative strategy, or a bit of both - but neither view explains how this is a valid communications strategy in the first place?

If the point is to keep the case in the public eye so they might get a big break in the case - why does he never appeal for info or explain what they are looking for?

This feels much more reactive to me i.e. the tabs ring up wanting an update so he says stuff so the go away again. There also seems to be a big difference between local and international media. i.e he isn't saying this stuff in the local press.

My feeling is he has moved on to expectations setting. i.e the new charges are red meat to throw out, while downgrading expectations on the MM front.

But who knows - maybe he will surprise us all!

 

[Dave55]

 

[Dave55]

View attachment 371491

This relates to Hellge B evidence in the American rape case.. Perhaps one of our ger speakers could decipher

 

[Denis R Tandib]

this is the best I can find at the moment..

While the attack unfolded in 2005, the man was only charged in August last year after a former friend found footage of the assault after stealing a video camera.

The witness told German police he had taken the camera from Christian's home in Praia da Luz in 2006.




Cold case detectives then probed the attack - finding a hair at the villa that linked Christian there.

Maddie suspect raped US tourist 10 mins from where toddler vanished months later

THE prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance had raped a 72-year-old US tourist at a Portuguese villa just ten minutes from where the toddler vanished 18 months later. Christian B fi…

www.thesun.co.uk

We have discussed this at length in prior threads.

I am almost certain the recordings of the rapes found by HB and MS at the farmhouse were NOT of the actual DM rape. This footage, both offences, were taken at the farmhouse. One victim was an older Italian woman, the other a young German woman.

Perhaps someone can confirm this.

This is the reason I asked for your source.

 

[G-Unit]

Three options:

1. Right guy and gets found guilty at trial;
2. Right guy, not enough evidence to convict;
3. Wrong guy.

Any could end but being the outcome but as my prior post, I think 2 or 3 are much more likely than 1.

From your posts, it looks like you think it’s 3. If this is the case, do you have anything to add as to why?

I was pointing out that he could be innocent, that's all. As time has passed the chances of the Germans getting the evidence they need seem to be diminishing, not increasing.

 

[Dave55]

I was pointing out that he could be innocent, that's all. As time has passed the chances of the Germans getting the evidence they need seem to be diminishing, not increasing.

everything depends on the evidence....

 

[G-Unit]

We have discussed this at length in prior threads.

I am almost certain the recordings of the rapes found by HB and MS at the farmhouse were NOT of the actual DM rape. This footage, both offences, were taken at the farmhouse. One victim was an older Italian woman, the other a young German woman.

Perhaps someone can confirm this.

This is the reason I asked for your source.

I suspect the (not so reliable) source provided was the Sun;

"While the attack unfolded in 2005, the man was only charged in August last year after a former friend found footage of the assault after stealing a video camera.

The witness told German police he had taken the camera from Christian's home in Praia da Luz in 2006."

Maddie suspect raped US tourist 10 mins from where toddler vanished months later

THE prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance had raped a 72-year-old US tourist at a Portuguese villa just ten minutes from where the toddler vanished 18 months later. Christian B fi…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Dave55]

I suspect the (not so reliable) source provided was the Sun;

"While the attack unfolded in 2005, the man was only charged in August last year after a former friend found footage of the assault after stealing a video camera.

The witness told German police he had taken the camera from Christian's home in Praia da Luz in 2006."

Maddie suspect raped US tourist 10 mins from where toddler vanished months later

THE prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance had raped a 72-year-old US tourist at a Portuguese villa just ten minutes from where the toddler vanished 18 months later. Christian B fi…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Dave55]

the facts were reported from the court in all the german papers and ive supplied official court records.Helges testimony was critical to the case...which gives him a degree of credibility

 

[enquirer6]

I suspect the (not so reliable) source provided was the Sun;

"While the attack unfolded in 2005, the man was only charged in August last year after a former friend found footage of the assault after stealing a video camera.

The witness told German police he had taken the camera from Christian's home in Praia da Luz in 2006."

Maddie suspect raped US tourist 10 mins from where toddler vanished months later

THE prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance had raped a 72-year-old US tourist at a Portuguese villa just ten minutes from where the toddler vanished 18 months later. Christian B fi…

www.thesun.co.uk

The Sun, even at its worst, would likely prove more reliable than (say) Amaral's book.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

The tennis ball photo of MM. Was there only one? Surely with a digital camera there must be quite a few taken of MM chasing the tennis balls round the court with all the other children?

 

[Davieson]

The tennis ball photo of MM. Was there only one? Surely with a digital camera there must be quite a few taken of MM chasing the tennis balls round the court with all the other children?

Probably but only one was required for the PR exercise.

 

[JB1510]

RSBM

To be fair, most countries including the UK and US have very poor rape clearance rates, so it is not surprising that a tipoff was how it was closed using the forensics PJ recovered from the scene.

Indeed historical rapes are often solved this way. i.e the rapist is eventually caught, and they run his DNA and get a match on a historical rape kit sample.

I know what you mean , just extremely frustrating that the PJ didnt want to link up the possibilty of a 6ft possible German who had filmed his attacks in the space of 12 months with a highly similar m.o

 

[G-Unit]

The tennis ball photo of MM. Was there only one? Surely with a digital camera there must be quite a few taken of MM chasing the tennis balls round the court with all the other children?

Interestingly that photo found it's way to a friend of the family by. 7th May 2007, and it found it's way into the press. It didn't, however, find it's way to the PJ along with the holiday photos from all the T9's cameras. Gerry McCann and Michael Wright put them onto CD's and handed them in around 8th/10th May. The 'last photo' in the kids pool wasn't given to the PJ either.

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