Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #33

[Lyall0814]

The Portuguese prosecutors were clear that Madeleine was abducted from her bed in a criminal act by a stranger.

No they weren't. They may have thought that privately, I don't know. But officially there was no evidence to suggest what crime had occurred - if any had occurred.

 

[Davieson]

HCW has made official statements. Everything depends on what his evidence is,.....he claims it's far from waffle

Mandy Rice Davies's reply comes to mind

 

[Lyall0814]

The truly depressing thing is the different reasons different people have for wanting him to be wrong.

We want him to be wrong because we prefer to think Madeleine's fate was something different to ending up with a man like CB. That's not difficult to understand is it? If she died we'd prefer to think whatever happened to her happened quickly and as painlessly as possible. Until the German prosecutors actually show some evidence to a court that's what we'll continue to hope and think. Personally I don't think they ever will.

 

[enquirer6]

No they weren't. They may have thought that privately, I don't know. But officially there was no evidence to suggest what crime had occurred - if any had occurred.

My, untangling the word-salad software that disrupts the presentation of this passage of the files those who accuse the McCanns hate so much was hard work. But worth the effort, I think.​

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The parents didn't even represent the realisation of the fact, they trusted that everything would go well, as it had gone on the previous evenings, thus not equating, nor was it demanded from them, the possibility of the occurrence of an abduction of any of the children that were in their respective apartments.​

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Reinforcing what was said is also the fact that despite leaving their daughter alone with her siblings in the apartment during more or less dilated moments, it is certain that in any case they checked on them. Without any pretension or compensatory effect, we must also recognise that the parents already expiate a heavy penalty - the disappearance of Madeleine.​

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Concerning the other indicated crimes, they are no more than that and despite our perception that, due to its high degree of probability, the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, such cannot be more than a mere supposition, due to the lack of sustaining elements in thefiles.​

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The non-involvement of the parents in any penally relevant activity seems to result from the objective circumstances of them not being inside the apartment when she disappeared, from the normal behaviour that they adopted until said disappearance and afterwards, as can be amply concluded from the witness statements, from the telephone communications analysis and also from the forensics' conclusions, namely the Reports from the FSS and from the National Institute for Legal Medicine.​

To this can be added that, in reality, none of the indications that led to their constitution as arguidos was later confirmed or consolidated. If not, let us see: the information concerning a previous alert of the media before the polices was not confirmed, the traces that were marked by the dogs were not ratified in laboratory, and the initial indications from the above transcribed email, better clarified at a later date, ended up being revealed as innocuous.​

 

[mrjitty]

Going to Germany and coming back to Portugal from May 4 to May 8 is possible, even by car. But I think he was in Portugal from May 3 to May 10 ... That is why, if he did it, I think Madeleine's corpse was left in Portugal.

Right

She is still in the locality IMO.

I think this was HCWs whole point. Naming CB would give insights into where he might have secreted the body. Especially they needed to know his movements in those 24 hours.

 

[Lyall0814]

You've just proved it yourself, enquirer. The passage quoted still talks about "the disappearance of Madeleine".

I'd let it lie, people have been arguing about that document for nearly 15 years. For good reason it was very diplomatic.

If the German prosecutors can back up their bravado and take it into court then we might one day have something else official to talk about.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

I am 99% sure CB abducted and killed Madeleine. The 1% of doubt will remain till HCW shows the evidence/proof.

 

[RichardKimble]

Right

She is still in the locality IMO.

I think this was HCWs whole point. Naming CB would give insights into where he might have secreted the body. Especially they needed to know his movements in those 24 hours.

Back in 2020 the PJ searched some well's .

PJ police search three wells in Vila do Bispo as new ‘revelations’ continue to focus on jailed pedophile

The weekend began with major news outlets focusing on new police searches down three remote wells for the body of Madeleine McCann.

www.portugalresident.com

 

[Davieson]

I am 99% sure CB abducted and killed Madeleine. The 1% of doubt will remain till HCW shows the evidence/proof.

99% seems remarkably high given that you have not seen his evidence

 

[RichardKimble]

I am 99% sure CB abducted and killed Madeleine. The 1% of doubt will remain till HCW shows the evidence/proof.

I know we're jumping the gun here, but in order for an abduction to stick do you think its possible the tapas 9 and at least some of the other witness's around at the time would be heard in any trial ?

 

[Davieson]

In the German system, which I gather is very different from that in the UK, who decides which witnesses are heard?

 

[Dave55]

We want him to be wrong because we prefer to think Madeleine's fate was something different to ending up with a man like CB. That's not difficult to understand is it? If she died we'd prefer to think whatever happened to her happened quickly and as painlessly as possible. Until the German prosecutors actually show some evidence to a court that's what we'll continue to hope and think. Personally I don't think they ever will.

We want him to be wrong but in reality it's highly likely that Maddie was murdered by a paedophilel

 

[Dave55]

I know we're jumping the gun here, but in order for an abduction to stick do you think its possible the tapas 9 and at least some of the other witness's around at the time would be heard in any tri

My, untangling the word-salad software that disrupts the presentation of this passage of the files those who accuse the McCanns hate so much was hard work. But worth the effort, I think.​

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That's not what Amara said is it

 

[Lilly b]

He was with ALE the night from May 9 to May 10.

I'm surprised they haven't spoken to her parents as she was away with them, I find it odd how he met her, and her parents didn't object as she was only 17

 

[Davieson]

Does any of this matter ? We are supposed to be discussing Brueckner and his guilt or otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Evidence of CB and ALE together in Faro.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Zone where the 680 was (approx.)
Outside this zone but inside Portugal was 683 ...

 

[Deleted member 268165]

You see the 683 could be close to PdL also.

 

[enquirer6]

You've just proved it yourself, enquirer. The passage quoted still talks about "the disappearance of Madeleine".

I'd let it lie, people have been arguing about that document for nearly 15 years. For good reason it was very diplomatic.

If the German prosecutors can back up their bravado and take it into court then we might one day have something else official to talk about.

You need new reading-glasses, Lyal

 

[enquirer6]

None of them have yet concluded anything officially that differs from what the Portuguese judiciary said when the case was shelved: no evidence exists to be able to determine the nature of any crime.

HCW's waffling is just waffling until he takes it to a court.

The Portuguese prosecutors are clear and explicitly stated that Madeleine was abducted, which is a crime in Portugal.

Mark Harrison was instructed, by Amral's boss, Ecarnacidao (sp) to investigate, alone, that Madeleine was murdered and buried, and did so, ruling out burial and making clear he had no idea what happened to Madeleine.

Still, the McCanns were declared arguidos and accused of murdering Madeleine.

As we know, that status was dropped without charges being brought. Same true for Robert Murat.