Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #34

[Malleux]

How would you expect PJ to know what happened in Germany in 1994 ?

Because they extradited him for that very crime.

 

[Trivento]

There was a comment on one of the publicly visible shares from someone that had somehow analyzed the image and says that the image was actually taken in 2010. I believe the profile is genuine and was created in 2011 and posted for a specific reason aimed at CB as a warning.
My own opinion is that it could be MM, there are too many visual cues to ignore, believe me when I say I've been through that image pixel by pixel to the point it almost haunts me. I have shown the image to some people that say it could be MM but that her face looks too hard. If you are taken from your family and mistreated for years then that will change the way a person looks.
One thing I cant work out is the writing on the fan box, I think it is in Russian language for floor fan (напольный вентилятор) or similar. Maybe a clue if it could be confirmed.

The center of fan picture on box is blurred ..
..but looks a little bit like the logo of a “ Hanil “ fan..

example attached…

 

[Davieson]

Because they extradited him for that very crime.

I'm sure the PJ didn't extradite anyone. That's not their job.
The State of Portugal would have done the extradition.

 

[Malleux]

I'm sure the PJ didn't extradite anyone. That's not their job.
The State of Portugal would have done the extradition.

Correct. But he was arrested first by the police in order to be extradited. How does any of that affect why the PJ shouldn't know about it?

 

[Davieson]

Correct. But he was arrested first by the police in order to be extradited. How does any of that affect why the PJ shouldn't know about it?

Poor, non-computerised record keeping ?

 

[G-Unit]

Correct. But he was arrested first by the police in order to be extradited. How does any of that affect why the PJ shouldn't know about it?

The GNR or the PJ?

 

[Malleux]

The GNR or the PJ?

Neither I believe, I think it was the PSP who arrested him in 1999 as far as I'm aware. I would be interested to know why you think it relevant though. Are you thinking the PJ only check their own records and don't bother to look at what the other police agencies in Portugal have recorded? Or is it nitpicking for the sake of it?

Let's take a step back. The point raised was "why the PJ would know about a sex crime committed in Germany in 1994?". The reason is because the police in Portugal arrested him and the Portuguese authorities extradited him back to Germany for that very crime. i.e. there were official Portuguese records of CB being a child sex offender. Or do you believe CB ended up on a list of suspects in the MM case for nicking some diesel?

 

[mrjitty]

@abovethestorm said that ü equals ue

Not in Spanish ... pingüino is not pingueino ...

The anglicisation is ue and for character sets without the accents.

it comes up a lot with email

 

[Consider Dudley]

What can we do to help the investigation?

Is there any possibility the police are unaware of that FB photo? Even if it’s not MM it’s worth investigating who set it up and why they used that photo. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Is there any possibility the police are unaware of that FB photo? Even if it’s not MM it’s worth investigating who set it up and why they used that photo. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence.

You can send it to BKA, MET and/or PJ.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

IMO the thing the Prosecutors most want to know about is CB's movements in May 2007.

I wonder if the girl who was arrested in Faro was with CB on May 3 ...

 

[Malleux]

Neither I believe, I think it was the PSP who arrested him in 1999 as far as I'm aware. I would be interested to know why you think it relevant though. Are you thinking the PJ only check their own records and don't bother to look at what the other police agencies in Portugal have recorded? Or is it nitpicking for the sake of it?

Let's take a step back. The point raised was "why the PJ would know about a sex crime committed in Germany in 1994?". The reason is because the police in Portugal arrested him and the Portuguese authorities extradited him back to Germany for that very crime. i.e. there were official Portuguese records of CB being a child sex offender. Or do you believe CB ended up on a list of suspects in the MM case for nicking some diesel?

Although he may have actually been handed over to the PJ anyway following the traffic stop when he was arrested. His mugshot appears to say "PJ Faro" on the sign

 

[Lilly b]

Does anyone know where these apartments were at the time? Thank you.

I don't quite understand the question, if you could explain a bit more, hope you don't mind

 

[Lilly b]

Neither I believe, I think it was the PSP who arrested him in 1999 as far as I'm aware. I would be interested to know why you think it relevant though. Are you thinking the PJ only check their own records and don't bother to look at what the other police agencies in Portugal have recorded? Or is it nitpicking for the sake of it?

Let's take a step back. The point raised was "why the PJ would know about a sex crime committed in Germany in 1994?". The reason is because the police in Portugal arrested him and the Portuguese authorities extradited him back to Germany for that very crime. i.e. there were official Portuguese records of CB being a child sex offender. Or do you believe CB ended up on a list of suspects in the MM case for nicking some dies

Neither I believe, I think it was the PSP who arrested him in 1999 as far as I'm aware. I would be interested to know why you think it relevant though. Are you thinking the PJ only check their own records and don't bother to look at what the other police agencies in Portugal have recorded? Or is it nitpicking for the sake of it?

Let's take a step back. The point raised was "why the PJ would know about a sex crime committed in Germany in 1994?". The reason is because the police in Portugal arrested him and the Portuguese authorities extradited him back to Germany for that very crime. i.e. there were official Portuguese records of CB being a child sex offender. Or do you believe CB ended up on a list of suspects in the MM case for nicking some diesel?

Aren't all the files relating to sex offenders missing from the the pj files, or should I say they was never made public, so we won't know who was spoken to ?

 

[G-Unit]

Neither I believe, I think it was the PSP who arrested him in 1999 as far as I'm aware. I would be interested to know why you think it relevant though. Are you thinking the PJ only check their own records and don't bother to look at what the other police agencies in Portugal have recorded? Or is it nitpicking for the sake of it?

Let's take a step back. The point raised was "why the PJ would know about a sex crime committed in Germany in 1994?". The reason is because the police in Portugal arrested him and the Portuguese authorities extradited him back to Germany for that very crime. i.e. there were official Portuguese records of CB being a child sex offender. Or do you believe CB ended up on a list of suspects in the MM case for nicking some diesel?

I have no idea what records were kept nor how accessible they were between the different forces. I don't think lumping them together as 'the police' takes into account that they were very different organisations with different roles.

 

[Malleux]

I have no idea what records were kept nor how accessible they were between the different forces. I don't think lumping them together as 'the police' takes into account that they were very different organisations with different roles.

I wasn't "lumping" anything. I merely said the police arrested him before he was extradited. The PJ compiled a list of possible suspects using records that would not have been confined to cases that only the PJ had dealt with. For one thing, they compiled a list of house burglars, do you think they obtained that information from PJ records? PJ don't involve themselves in petty burglaries, they deal with serious crimes.

As it is, it appears the PJ were involved in dealing with CB's extradition in 1999 anyway, as the mugshot appears to have been taken at Faro PJ station. Incidentally, isn't that where Amaral was working at the time?

 

[enquirer6]

Aren't all the files relating to sex offenders missing from the the pj files, or should I say they was never made public, so we won't know who was spoken to ?

Yes, you're right, Lilly.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Neither I believe, I think it was the PSP who arrested him in 1999 as far as I'm aware. I would be interested to know why you think it relevant though. Are you thinking the PJ only check their own records and don't bother to look at what the other police agencies in Portugal have recorded? Or is it nitpicking for the sake of it?

Let's take a step back. The point raised was "why the PJ would know about a sex crime committed in Germany in 1994?". The reason is because the police in Portugal arrested him and the Portuguese authorities extradited him back to Germany for that very crime. i.e. there were official Portuguese records of CB being a child sex offender. Or do you believe CB ended up on a list of suspects in the MM case for nicking some diesel?

I’m sure CB was on the list of 600 suspects because of his extradition. From there, an analysis of his prior criminal record would have been done. Then, was there anything to connect him to the area of the crime at the time it took place?

There are probably other criteria but even on this, CB perhaps wouldn’t stand out as a strong suspect, IMO, especially when we don’t know what the other 599 looked like. Even RM for example, who has alleged sexually deviant behaviour as a young man, is a stronger suspect based purely on his location at the time of the crime.

I agree that if CB is the culprit, it’s a terrible oversight but LE has to funnel information in an investigation and deal with the strongest suspects first and I think we can be certain, given CB’s record at the time, a large portion of the list were stronger suspects than him. Just MO.

 

[Hygge]

Is there any possibility the police are unaware of that FB photo? Even if it’s not MM it’s worth investigating who set it up and why they used that photo. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence.

We had this discussion on a German forum years ago and some did report this FB proflle to the BKA but nothing happened. So I think it’s coincedence, one of so many Brückners

 

[Malleux]

I’m sure CB was on the list of 600 suspects because of his extradition. From there, an analysis of his prior criminal record would have been done. Then, was there anything to connect him to the area of the crime at the time it took place?

There are probably other criteria but even on this, CB perhaps wouldn’t stand out as a strong suspect, IMO, especially when we don’t know what the other 599 looked like. Even RM for example, who has alleged sexually deviant behaviour as a young man, is a stronger suspect based purely on his location at the time of the crime.

I agree that if CB is the culprit, it’s a terrible oversight but LE has to funnel information in an investigation and deal with the strongest suspects first and I think we can be certain, given CB’s record at the time, a large portion of the list were stronger suspects than him. Just MO.

I understand that and in many ways I have sympathy for what the PJ were up against. What I'm trying to understand is how, after putting him on the list, they then ruled him out? What was the basis for doing so?

Had they simply not been able to track him down, his name should have remained on there until they had some way of being able to exclude him from any suspicion. But we've seen no explanation so far for why his name wasn't then on that list of suspects passed to SY for them to potentially look into him.