Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #34

[Mex]

Confusion is good, or something to that effect.
Better to sow doubt by suggesting that some thing is wrong than having to produce evidence to prove it.

I don't think the German justice system operates along the lines of tabloid confusion.
I rather think they are more likely to follow submitted evidence.

If there is sufficient evidence circumstantial or not, that is what the court will consider.

 

[UK Girl]

You are correct there are many such instances where the files released on the internet are suspect.

Which is why when MM's parents set up their own inquiry for which they used their own detectives, the first thing they did was to pay for professional translation of the official files released to them.

apart from the fact we have been told not to talk about the McCanns have they ever complained about the files? to the best of my knowledge they have not!

 

[Niner]

Okay - I shall admit - when we went to this new thread I forgot to hit "Watch" (I hate when that happens!) - and now am/was 25 pages behind - which I really do not have time to read - so skipped over them.
What I would like to know - any charges made yet? LOL!
I am going to guess.... Not!

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Okay - I shall admit - when we went to this new thread I forgot to hit "Watch" (I hate when that happens!) - and now am/was 25 pages behind - which I really do not have time to read - so skipped over them.
What I would like to know - any charges made yet? LOL!
I am going to guess.... Not!

You have not missed anything. Only that In the last thread we solved all Madeleine McCann's crime mysteries

 

[Mex]

I don't understand. What has been taking place for a number of years ? Is there proof or is it just opinion

Nope - all fact.
Unless you think I am wrong in saying that FF represented CB at the DM rape trial and that when he was tried in 2019 his name had not yet been released into the public domain.

European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case​

Preliminary opinion a setback for Christian Brückner’s attempt to appeal conviction using European arrest warrant rules

When the hearing at the ECJ in Luxembourg opened last month the German prosecutor’s lawyer, Felix Halabi, had argued that Brückner’s argument was “nonsensical”. He said: “The suspect made the most of European open borders and now he wants us to interpret the law so as to get it turned on its head in order to give him an advantage in court.”

European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case

Preliminary opinion a setback for Christian Brückner’s attempt to appeal conviction using European arrest warrant rules

www.theguardian.com

His lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, challenged the validity of the arrest warrant as it did not cite the 2005 rape charge. and argued it was a breach of international law to put him on trial for the rape.

Court sides against Madeleine McCann suspect in rape appeal

Suspect Christian Brueckner argues arrest warrant used to extradite him unlawful as it did not cite rape charge

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Consider Dudley]

Okay - I shall admit - when we went to this new thread I forgot to hit "Watch" (I hate when that happens!) - and now am/was 25 pages behind - which I really do not have time to read - so skipped over them.
What I would like to know - any charges made yet? LOL!
I am going to guess.... Not!

I think it’s highly likely you might have heard about it on the news if they had.

 

[Niner]

I think it’s highly likely you might have heard about it on the news if they had.

Well - all I get here in English is BBC - so if it DOES happen - hopefully they will say something!

 

[Mex]

apart from the fact we have been told not to talk about the McCanns have they ever complained about the files? to the best of my knowledge they have not!

I hadn't read the advice from admin when I posted the reference. I've read it now and for that reason I do not intend to post a reply to you. In all due respect.

 

[Malleux]

Nope - all fact.
Unless you think I am wrong in saying that FF represented CB at the DM rape trial and that when he was tried in 2019 his name had not yet been released into the public domain.

European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case​

Preliminary opinion a setback for Christian Brückner’s attempt to appeal conviction using European arrest warrant rules

When the hearing at the ECJ in Luxembourg opened last month the German prosecutor’s lawyer, Felix Halabi, had argued that Brückner’s argument was “nonsensical”. He said: “The suspect made the most of European open borders and now he wants us to interpret the law so as to get it turned on its head in order to give him an advantage in court.”

European court of justice advises Madeleine McCann suspect was lawfully tried in rape case

Preliminary opinion a setback for Christian Brückner’s attempt to appeal conviction using European arrest warrant rules

www.theguardian.com

His lawyer, Friedrich Fulscher, challenged the validity of the arrest warrant as it did not cite the 2005 rape charge. and argued it was a breach of international law to put him on trial for the rape.

Court sides against Madeleine McCann suspect in rape appeal

Suspect Christian Brueckner argues arrest warrant used to extradite him unlawful as it did not cite rape charge

www.independent.co.uk

Fulscher represented CB at the DM appeal but not at the actual trial itself.

Fulscher and Schwenn only started representing CB about a week after the public appeal was made in June 2020. Prior to that, CB had a different pair of lawyers, Jan Christian Hochmann and David Volke. They were only representing him for about a week when they resigned, citing no reason.

Madeleine McCann case: German suspect's lawyers QUIT as he's moved to solitary confinement | UK | News | Express.co.uk

THE LAWYERS of the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have resigned their mandate and stopped representing the man.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Davieson]

I don't think the German justice system operates along the lines of tabloid confusion.
I rather think they are more likely to follow submitted evidence.

If there is sufficient evidence circumstantial or not, that is what the court will consider.

I don't think the German justice system operates along the lines of tabloid confusion.
I rather think they are more likely to follow submitted evidence.

If there is sufficient evidence circumstantial or not, that is what the court will consider.

It wasn't the Germans I was thinking of, more members of the supporters club.

 

[Davieson]

You are correct there are many such instances where the files released on the internet are suspect.

Which is why when MM's parents set up their own inquiry for which they used their own detectives, the first thing they did was to pay for professional translation of the official files released to them.

According to who ?

 

[Anxala]

Good Lord. This thread. Why all the constant deflection to the past when it has absolutely nothing to do with the present?

Isn't it supposed to be about HCW and his pending charges against CB (which have yet to find a home), and his longer-term promise to bring CB to book for the murder of MM?

If people are so sure HCW is on the right track, why continue to focus on stuff that has zero bearing on or relevance to the BKA's investigation?

 

[Mex]

Fulscher represented CB at the DM appeal but not at the actual trial itself.

Fulscher and Schwenn only started representing CB about a week after the public appeal was made in June 2020. Prior to that, CB had a different pair of lawyers, Jan Christian Hochmann and David Volke. They were only representing him for about a week when they resigned, citing no reason.

Madeleine McCann case: German suspect's lawyers QUIT as he's moved to solitary confinement | UK | News | Express.co.uk

THE LAWYERS of the prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have resigned their mandate and stopped representing the man.

www.express.co.uk

Thank you Malleux, I did know that at least one lawyer who had acted for CB previously didn't hold him in high regard.
But there isn't a great deal of information available about DM's case and what there is I tend not to dwell on having read an account of the trial.
With the result that I know little of the background and personnel involved.
It is very interesting and raises a few speculations, that the trial lawyers stopped representing him and FF took over for his appeal.
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The Portuguese former lawyer of MM suspect CB has branded his client a ‘psychopath’ who ‘may be behind’ the youngster’s disappearance.

SV represented the German drifter when he was arrested for stealing diesel from trucks in 2006 – the year before the youngster vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

The respected advocate was appointed by the Portuguese state to represent CB at the Portimao Criminal Court because he could not afford to pay for a lawyer.

Former lawyer of Christian Bruckner says he could be behind Madeleine McCann's disappearance | Daily Mail Online

 

[Mex]

Good Lord. This thread. Why all the constant deflection to the past when it has absolutely nothing to do with the present?

Isn't it supposed to be about HCW and his pending charges against CB (which have yet to find a home), and his longer-term promise to bring CB to book for the murder of MM?

If people are so sure HCW is on the right track, why continue to focus on stuff that has zero bearing on or relevance to the BKA's investigation?

Excellent post but I disagree that the present is divorced from the past.

We have a pretty well documented series of events peopled by individuals who have become unfortunate main players, whose names have been published on the internet without their consent.

The principal name from the past is that of CB who is also a principal player in the present.

In 2007 he featured in some way in the inquiry into MM’s disappearance being conducted by the judicial police.

My opinion - CB is a main player now in 2023. Just as he may have been in 2007. Only we did not know it then. But we know it now.

 

[Mex]

It wasn't the Germans I was thinking of, more members of the supporters club.

Your post is confusing. Please clarify the meaning of "members of the supporters club".

 

[mrjitty]

I think two things are true about the JT sighting.

1. She was incorrect/mistaken/etc about some key aspects of it. IMO there is no way she could have passed GM and friend in the street without either of them seeing her.

2. The Met don't make the statement on Crimewatch that JT's sighting is eliminated from the inquiry without having talked to JT about it and resolved it all as much as possible.

IMO she has nothing useful to say and is more likely to be useful for the defence than the prosecution

 

[Deleted member 268165]

I think two things are true about the JT sighting.

1. She was incorrect/mistaken/etc about some key aspects of it. IMO there is no way she could have passed GM and friend in the street without either of them seeing her.

I was there another day at the same hour. It is an area of 20 x 10 meters (a paddle sport field). I think it is no possible for two persons to not note her presence in a quite night. Maybe she listened to someone talking about Gerry and Jez meeting, and it produced a false memory in her.

 

[mrjitty]

I was there another day at the same hour. It is an area of 20 x 10 meters (a paddle sport field). I think it is no possible for two persons to not note her presence in a quite night. Maybe she listened to someone talking about Gerry and Jez meeting, and it produced a false memory in her.

This has been my problem all along - the witnesses hothoused their versions in a group to create the timeline and fit everything together. I think there is a real risk that she believed she went by at a certain time, and therefore must have seen them - perhaps confusing different events, or just incorporating it

 

[G-Unit]

However you look at JT's evidence, it's clear that neither she nor the Smiths saw anyone fitting CB's description, so there's nothing there of use to the German investigation.

 

[RichardKimble]

However you look at JT's evidence, it's clear that neither she nor the Smiths saw anyone fitting CB's description, so there's nothing there of use to the German investigation.

Redwood described the child being carried fitting a description close to that of Madeleine,if the Germans are building a case then there's every chance at some stage the Smith sighting will or would be visited.imo.