Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #34

[Malleux]

If evidence like that existed it would be so powerful who'd believe a word he said about where he got it from? I wouldn't, and I'm sure judges wouldn't either.

A photo/video like "what" existed? You are making an assumption of what a hypothetical photo shows.

While most people might not believe him, that's not what matters in court. If he turns around and says he got it from someone else, then what? Most of the paedo files on his computer were not his own work but stuff he got from elsewhere, why could he not claim the same about the photo?

 

[Pixie Child]

GMc had hay fever medication with him so may well have had a reduced sense of smell.
DM also never mentioned that her attacker smelled of smoke.

It appears not and nor did the Irish lady, HB. Yet he was a smoker and probably smoked weed as well.

(Note the description of scars on his right thigh & hip).

Fall Maddie: Christian B. missbrauchte Tochter (5) seiner Ex-Freundin

Wie die „Mail on Sunday“ berichtet, soll Christian B. auch die Tochter seiner Ex-Freundin im Jahr 2013 sexuell missbraucht haben.

www-bild-de.translate.goog

 

[Mex]

Clearly there isn’t, the investigation has been going for six years.

It’s important for the prosecutors to be successful with some of the charges, if they go to court, or CB will likely be paroled not too far into the future.

The investigation into MM's disappearance has been going on for sixteen years'.

It is important that any suspect can expect due process to rule them in or out. At the moment that is CB.

It is also important for victims to have redress and justice when due process occurs.

MM is not the only victim here. Why therefore the focus on her when there are already other victims in the five cases awaiting due process? Don't they matter?

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Maybe we must stop speculating and returning to the basic and sure data?

BKA updated October 11, 2022:

Fahndung nach Personen - Zeugenaufruf - Verschwinden der Madeleine McCANN

www.bka.de

No updates in the pages of MET and PJ.

 

[Mex]

Give it up, Dave. They don't have evidence like that. If they did, as Denis says, they'd have charged him long ago and we'd probably have had the trial already. The one thing prosecutors don't want to do is let circumstantial cases linger on indefinitely - when you're so reliant on witnesses you want to get them into court asap. If you don't witnesses can disappear, or change their minds about giving evidence, or change their story, or become ill and unable to give evidence, or die. Naturally prosecutors don't want to risk this, and won't - unless they have no choice.

DM was too frail to attend the trial and give evidence against CB.

She did get justice nonetheless.

Murder victims cannot give evidence at their murderer's trial; they have to rely on police and prosecutors making their case for them. My opinion.

 

[Mex]

If evidence like that existed it would be so powerful who'd believe a word he said about where he got it from? I wouldn't, and I'm sure judges wouldn't either.

I don't think you are a judge. But with respect, I think you would make as poor a one as those who you suggest would base their judgement on such questionable evidence. My opinion.

 

[Sharkbite]

I was of the opinion that the police would have been prioritising the search for a missing child as the logical reason behind their interest in CB.

What an intriguing thought that in Luz you say the priority might have been debt collecting. Thing is though that nothing is known of why CB was on the police radar to begin with or why he was inexplicably dropped off it. To the extent that future investigators weren't passed his file.

The Porto Policia Judiciaria whose work led to the reopening of MM's case seemed to be in ignorance of CB going after a different suspect. Who to coin a phrase was perfect because he was dead.

'KIDNAP FORM OF REVENGE'​

In 2013, Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha said: "The motives that could have caused the ex-employee to kidnap the youngster are still being investigated.

“The suspect could have taken the child to commit a sex crime before killing her.

“But he could also have committed the kidnap as a form of retaliation against the Ocean Club."

Police had lost crucial time to interview Monteiro because he was missing from a list of current and former Ocean Club employees that was given to police during the first investigation.

But having been identified as a suspect following suspicious phone records, detectives were set to question Monteiro.

Madeleine McCann ‘chief suspect’ was never interviewed by cops despite ‘credible’ theory he’d abducted Maddie after losing job at Praia da Luz Ocean Club

POLICE missed their chance to interview a chief suspect in the investigation of Madeleine McCann’s abduction. Heroin addict Euclides Monteiro had been working as an employee at The Ocean Club resor…

www.thesun.co.uk

Of course, but the world didn't stop because of the events of 3rd May.

I didn't mention anything about Luz, I believe the court was in Portimao and LE visited BP's crapyard in Borracal


Who knows, maybe the judge CB told to f*ck off wanted to make sure that the increased fine was paid, or wanted the chance to lock him up again.

I think normal procedure is that the courts are in charge of making sure fines are paid, when non payment is apparent then LE are would be sent to the last address the court had registered for the defaulter, in this case it was at CB's good buddy's scrapyard.

It would be interesting to know if and when CB paid his fines, also his best mate MT

 

[PetShopBoy]

This will be a case like that of Jack the Ripper in the late 1800’s, or the Rettendon Gangland murders in 1995. No one will ever know the truth.
is the girl dead? Probably, but we don’t know. It was such a high profile case that if someone did kidnap her they would have wanted to dispose of her as soon as.
The authorities need to check somewhere like the forests in the hills surrounding the Algarve. No one goes there.

 

[mrjitty]

One thing is certain. The McCanns' Christmas message this year was the first where they seemed to acknowledge, publicly, for the first time that they will never see their daughter alive again

Clouding the picture slightly is that, as I understand it, the German definition of the word 'concrete' is not quite the same as the English.

In Germany, I think, the word means something like persuasive, but not definitive.

Whereas, in England, the word means irrefutable, conclusive.

I would understand it as meaning something definite, tangible or substantive as opposed to something speculative or hypothetical.

For instance if you have a konkret plan for the weekend - you have something specific in mind, rather than possible ideas of what you might do.

 

[Pixie Child]

Maybe we must stop speculating and returning to the basic and sure data?

BKA updated October 11, 2022:

Fahndung nach Personen - Zeugenaufruf - Verschwinden der Madeleine McCANN

www.bka.de

No updates in the pages of MET and PJ.

That’s interesting - the -683 number was ‘a previously unknown person’.

So if he borrowed BP’s phone, BP (or CB using the phone) hadn’t previously called -683. Can we also take it that CP’s other phone didn’t know the -683 number either?

But if it was an offence-related SIM, wouldn’t he have disposed of it? Instead he’s apparently gone on paedophile sites in Germany, set up a Kik account as a young girl and a Snapchat as Diogo Silva.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The investigation into MM's disappearance has been going on for sixteen years'.

It is important that any suspect can expect due process to rule them in or out. At the moment that is CB.

It is also important for victims to have redress and justice when due process occurs.

MM is not the only victim here. Why therefore the focus on her when there are already other victims in the five cases awaiting due process? Don't they matter?

I was referring to the investigation into CB.

This forum was started because CB was accused of killing MM, logically therefore, the focus is on the crime against her.

 

[Lyall0814]

I don't think you are a judge. But with respect, I think you would make as poor a one as those who you suggest would base their judgement on such questionable evidence. My opinion.

Questionable evidence? There hasn't been a single tangible physical clue found about what happened to Madeleine since the day she disappeared. Any such evidence would be extremely powerful.

(You're saying possession of such evidence would be questionable proof of guilt? I can think of many high-profile UK cases in which both prosecution and judge wouldn't be losing any sleep about that. Maybe German judges are different? Maybe)

 

[RichardKimble]

Maybe we must stop speculating and returning to the basic and sure data?

BKA updated October 11, 2022:

Fahndung nach Personen - Zeugenaufruf - Verschwinden der Madeleine McCANN

www.bka.de

No updates in the pages of MET and PJ.

From that.

Some of the vehicles he used at the time, various points of contact and a Portuguese mobile phone number are known to the investigating authorities.

The Federal Criminal Police Office and the Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office ask for your assistance in further clarifying the circumstances of the crime.

 

[Mex]

Of course, but the world didn't stop because of the events of 3rd May.

I didn't mention anything about Luz, I believe the court was in Portimao and LE visited BP's crapyard in Borracal


Who knows, maybe the judge CB told to f*ck off wanted to make sure that the increased fine was paid, or wanted the chance to lock him up again.

I think normal procedure is that the courts are in charge of making sure fines are paid, when non payment is apparent then LE are would be sent to the last address the court had registered for the defaulter, in this case it was at CB's good buddy's scrapyard.

It would be interesting to know if and when CB paid his fines, also his best mate MT

The fact that locus and approximate timing has been given by GA of CB’s (attempted) brush with the law in the early days after MM’s disappearance is I find absolutely riveting.

Downplaying it just won’t make it go away until more clarification is entered into the equation. My opinion

 

[Mex]

I was referring to the investigation into CB.

This forum was started because CB was accused of killing MM, logically therefore, the focus is on the crime against her.

Then luckily, it is no coincidence that we are both making reference to the same topic which is CB and MM.

As a direct result of German involvement in the MM investigation, other heinous crimes have been uncovered. All of which like the MM disappearance occurred in Portugal.

The defence have adopted a procedural role on behalf of the client CB, as is their right and his.

Why then would it be extraordinary for the prosecution to adopt procedure on behalf of the victims they are representing. Surely it is their right to determine the optimum time and the manner for them to proceed with the conduct and the order of those cases.

Surely what is sauce for the goose etc; My opinion

 

[Mex]

Questionable evidence? There hasn't been a single tangible physical clue found about what happened to Madeleine since the day she disappeared. Any such evidence would be extremely powerful.

(You're saying possession of such evidence would be questionable proof of guilt? I can think of many high-profile UK cases in which both prosecution and judge wouldn't be losing any sleep about that. Maybe German judges are different? Maybe)

If you expect a competent defence to hold up their hands on their client's behalf were a photograph introduced into evidence without question, were I the said client (or his backers) I would be demanding my money back
My opinion

 

[RichardKimble]

Maybe we must stop speculating and returning to the basic and sure data?

BKA updated October 11, 2022:

Fahndung nach Personen - Zeugenaufruf - Verschwinden der Madeleine McCANN

www.bka.de

No updates in the pages of MET and PJ.

English link.

https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/BekanntePersonen/43_Jaehriger_Deutscher_TV/Sachverhalt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=6

 

[Deleted member 268165]

I was reading, reading and reading. And thinking, thinking and thinking.
Now I want to forget the case for some days

I am expecting HCW/BKA to give more info soon, because the question I have in my head is ...

If HCW/BKA did not charge CB for MM's case in October 2022 it was because they do not have enough evidence. So, will HCW/BKA be able to get enough evidence?

 

[Tekno]

I was reading, reading and reading. And thinking, thinking and thinking.
Now I want to forget the case for some days

I am expecting HCW/BKA to give more info soon, because the question I have in my head is ...

If HCW/BKA did not charge CB for MM's case in October 2022 it was because they do not have enough evidence. So, will HCW/BKA be able to get enough evidence?

In my opinion, the BKA found something belonging to MM at one of his properties or Jaguar/Westfalia. Something minuscule that she perhaps had on her on the 3rd. A sort of memento, like the elastic band in her hair on the 3rd. My opinion only.

 

[misty48]

I was reading, reading and reading. And thinking, thinking and thinking.
Now I want to forget the case for some days

I am expecting HCW/BKA to give more info soon, because the question I have in my head is ...

If HCW/BKA did not charge CB for MM's case in October 2022 it was because they do not have enough evidence. So, will HCW/BKA be able to get enough evidence?

HCW has already said BKA have enough evidence to charge CB with Madeleine's murder. However, imo that is not enough when they are also seeking people who may have knowledge of the passage of the crime. CB reportedly had " a horrible job to do in Luz" and also seems to have come into a substantial sum of money in the weeks following Madeleine's disappearance. I don't think it's enough to just convict the alleged murderer when it seems that there is at least one other co-conspirator still unpunished.
CB also minimises his own involvement when saying he "knows what happened to Madeleine".