Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #34

[Consider Dudley]

PJ failed in their duty of confidentiality and impartiality and allowing certain allegations made by police against the parents to be treated as facts. As such, I think the McCanns would have a good case against the State of Portugal for compensation.

Another round at the ECHR? I doubt the McCanns would have the appetite for that.

 

[Lyall0814]

PJ failed in their duty of confidentiality and impartiality and allowing certain allegations made by police against the parents to be treated as facts. As such, I think the McCanns would have a good case against the State of Portugal for compensation.

Not sure confidentiality's going to work. They - via GM's sister and representative JM - leaked it themselves.

 

[Pixie Child]

Pixie, you know the German and British police wouldn't dare call the Portuguese police "corrupt". Both have enough skeletons in their own closets. Calling the Portuguese corrupt is not the best idea if you want cooperation in Portugal?

You needn’t tell me - I’m Irish! The Brits learned their lessons in the 70s (Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, Yorkshire Ripper). The Brits know how the pressure for a quick result in cases with huge media attention leads to heavy-handed policing, false confessions and miscarriages of justice.

British Police are now excellent at managing the media, filtering distractions, using Holmes and forensics. The Portuguese should have taken the opportunity to learn from the Brits.

 

[Lyall0814]

You needn’t tell me - I’m Irish! The Brits learned their lessons in the 70s (Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, Yorkshire Ripper). The Brits know how the pressure for a quick result in cases with huge media attention leads to heavy-handed policing, false confessions and miscarriages of justice.

British Police are now excellent at managing the media, filtering distractions, using Holmes and forensics. The Portuguese should have taken the opportunity to learn from the Brits.

Brit police still have plenty of modern skeletons in the closet though don't they? Hardly a week goes by without a fresh round of shame and scandal emerging. I wouldn't dream of calling them all corrupt though, and neither are the Portuguese.

 

[RichardKimble]

Brit police still have plenty of modern skeletons in the closet though don't they? Hardly a week goes by without a fresh round of shame and scandal emerging. I wouldn't dream of calling them all corrupt though, and neither are the Portuguese.

Past enquiry's have touched on the MET though, still that's a topic for another day.

 

[UK Girl]

Pixie, you know the German and British police wouldn't dare call the Portuguese police "corrupt". Both have enough skeletons in their own closets. Calling the Portuguese corrupt is not the best idea if you want cooperation in Portugal?

to be honest I was thinking that wasnt really fair either.

 

[Davieson]

Call me an old cynic but the next best outcome for Portugal after not convicting the McCanns would be to find CB not guilty in their own courts (thus saving both their reputation and the prospect of having to pay the McCanns substantial compensation). Which country's pathologist would be responsible for a post-mortem should the body be found in Portugal?

Seems a strange notion that the McCanns should be compensated for anything.

 

[RichardKimble]

Call me an old cynic but the next best outcome for Portugal after not convicting the McCanns would be to find CB not guilty in their own courts (thus saving both their reputation and the prospect of having to pay the McCanns substantial compensation). Which country's pathologist would be responsible for a post-mortem should the body be found in Portugal?

Barrymore tried that and failed.

 

[Mex]

Well that's the point - it isn't collaborated and we know they all discussed their accounts. It just really isn't possible to exactly reconcile her statement with Trottman either - yet somehow the Met came to a broad conclusion

There isn't really any reason to prefer the evidence of JT over GM+JW (2 people).

I think @Janosch is correct - she came by later after they were gone.

I think you have misunderstood the gist of my post. In one way or another witness statement are corroborated.
These three people's statements were corroborated by others, not necessarily those seated at the table either.

 

[misty48]

Barrymore tried that and failed.

I wasn't aware that anyone else had been successfully convicted for Lubbock's death when Barrymore filed his claim for compensation.

 

[Malleux]

No idea if this is actually true but Olive Press seem to believe the German tip off is based on the account of Marco Aragao Correia's underworld client.

Gibraltar - Olive Press News Spain

www.theolivepress.es

 

[Malleux]

One concerning aspect to this search is why a 2 day time limit which seems to have been imposed, unless they find something of interest? The area is far too big to cover in that amount of time unless they know of something specific to look at.

 

[SuperdadV8]

No idea if this is actually true but Olive Press seem to believe the German tip off is based on the account of Marco Aragao Correia's underworld client.

Gibraltar - Olive Press News Spain

www.theolivepress.es

Underworld client?

Maybe Paulo Pereira Cristovão himself? Or somebody close to him?

How exciting!

 

[Consider Dudley]

One concerning aspect to this search is why a 2 day time limit which seems to have been imposed, unless they find something of interest? The area is far too big to cover in that amount of time unless they know of something specific to look at.

Perhaps the Portuguese will only allow them to search for two days? Seems almost pointless to impose a strict time limit on the search of such a large body of water that relies solely on feel to locate anything out of the ordinary.

 

[Consider Dudley]

No idea if this is actually true but Olive Press seem to believe the German tip off is based on the account of Marco Aragao Correia's underworld client.

Gibraltar - Olive Press News Spain

www.theolivepress.es

Look at HCW in his suit jacket, tie and jeans, how adorable!

 

[Trivento]

No idea if this is actually true but Olive Press seem to believe the German tip off is based on the account of Marco Aragao Correia's underworld client.

Gibraltar - Olive Press News Spain

www.theolivepress.es

An interesting thing about the 2008 dam episode is .. according Summers / Swan book … MAC later changed his story about receiving tip from an underworld source …. into it being from a “ vision ” or suchlike …

 

[Mex]

They're not going to be paying any compensation when the judiciary in Portugal never had any intention of prosecuting them (as far as we - and you - know).

As we all know the police did not have that power.

If there had been evidence to lay charges the suspects would have been charged. Just as GA who was arguido in a torture case was charged because the evidence justified it.
There was no evidence to justify charges being laid against MM's parents,

 

[RichardKimble]

If there had been evidence to lay charges the suspects would have been charged. Just as GA who was arguido in a torture case was charged because the evidence justified it.
There was no evidence to justify charges being laid against MM's parents,

That argument is exactly where CB stands.

 

[Malleux]

An interesting thing about that is ..according Summers/Swan book …MAC later changed his story about receiving tip from an underworld source …. into it being from a “vision” or suchlike…

What do they actually say about it in the book, do they give a cite? I know I remember it being claimed in one tabloid back in 2008 that a "source" had claimed he had later told them it was a dream or something like that, but was that ever confirmed/debunked?

 

[Trivento]

What do they actually say about it in the book, do they give a cite? I know I remember it being claimed in one tabloid back in 2008 that a "source" had claimed he had later told them it was a dream or something like that, but was that ever confirmed/debunked?

They relate that MAC became seen as a bit of a fantasist / conspiracy theorist ..
Who knows .. maybe MAC did get an underworld tip and made up the vision story so as not to upset any dangerous contacts in underworld .. ?