Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[mrjitty]

The cost of OG has been well publicised and in round numbers it’s a million quid per year. The German investigation is reported to be a similar size.

I guess it’s easier to justify if progress is being made but back end of last year, it was reported that progress was slow. So far the expensive dam search looks like it will be fruitless too.

If the other five cases are successfully prosecuted then I think it will allow more time. If not, real active investigation would need to be wound back soon IMO, this year.

All the money they are spending on this could be spent on nurses and teachers.

I don't think the 5 other cases have much to do with the MM case now.

If the prosecution gets back on track, then they will be resourced for the trial.

The MM investigation uses both BKA and prosecutor resources - I think they will need to show some progress, otherwise they will get downscaled - maybe as soon as the next financial year.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Although most of his convictions are for lower-level crime, the existing sex crime convictions (few as they are) do seem to carry weight.

I would think that his parole appeal was quashed (“too dangerous to be freed”) at least partly because of his sex crimes, rather than the petty theft and drugs charges.

‘But the panel were thought to judge him at high risk of reoffending.’

BBM. I presume this assessment included ongoing clinical psychology profiling during his time in jail.

To my mind, the panel must have some basis for that decision, and it isn’t necessarily in the public realm, or related to his known crimes.

Maddie McCann No.1 suspect ruled too dangerous to be freed as parole denied

Brueckner became eligible for parole after serving half of his sentence, with time spent on remand taken into account

www.mirror.co.uk

Just my thoughts.

Don’t you think he wasn’t released because there is an active investigation into him for other crimes? Imagine if they did parole him with all the current media attention - no one would seriously take that risk. IMO, it’s this, not his record that prevented him being paroled.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Did the men questioned under caution in 2014 have convictions for abduction? They were apparently questioned because they were petty criminals with a connection to the Ocean Club - and I think something about phone traffic.

They were ruled out.

Similarly, CB made a living with petty crimes and had no convictions for abduction and phone use 03/05/2007.

Of course he should be questioned, severely. But, unlike the 2014 three, he has been found guilty in the media.

 

[Davieson]

They were ruled out.

Similarly, CB made a living with petty crimes and had no convictions for abduction and phone use 03/05/2007.

Of course he should be questioned, severely. But, unlike the 2014 three, he has been found guilty in the media.

Wolters et al don't seem too bothered in doing that.
Its a funny old world where you don't actually question the prime suspect, or more correctly, the only suspect.

 

[RichardKimble]

Wolters et al don't seem too bothered in doing that.
Its a funny old world where you don't actually question the prime suspect, or more correctly, the only suspect.

The German system is such though that the suspect is only questioned when the evidence has been gathered, have I got that right?

 

[mrjitty]

The German system is such though that the suspect is only questioned when the evidence has been gathered, have I got that right?

I think it's more that the question of the target means that they have to disclose the evidential foundation (as in the UK), so therefore tactically, you would be more likely to wait to the end in such a case

 

[RichardKimble]

Don’t you think he wasn’t released because there is an active investigation into him for other crimes? Imagine if they did parole him with all the current media attention - no one would seriously take that risk. IMO, it’s this, not his record that prevented him being paroled.

Serious flight risk I'd have thought with as you say the other cases still to be finalised.

 

[Davieson]

I think it's more that the question of the target means that they have to disclose the evidential foundation (as in the UK), so therefore tactically, you would be more likely to wait to the end in such a case

Would the same rules apply if CB wasn't in prison? Could someone be arrested and held on remand, yet not be questioned ?
Indeed could someone be under investigation without knowing they were being investigated ?

I am referring to Germany.

 

[Consider Dudley]

No, that is wrong.

I am arguing that there is no consistency of the crimes from his record and those he is accused of committing against MM. it’s not an opinion, it’s a fact - no convictions for abduction or murder. It’s very easy to understand.

I have explained my understanding of his crimes, his decisions to avoid justice and his extraditions back to Germany. This doesn’t change the fact that he has no convictions for abduction or murder.

His crimes against children in Portugal are inconsistent with what he is accused of with MM: public exposure and public masturbation are incomparable to abduction and murder.

There are no current charges against him, they have been thrown out and we have no idea if they will be charged again.

In the playground public exposure allegation, he was caught red handed by an off duty Portuguese police officer, arrested and extradited for the crime against his girlfriend’s daughter. Why would the PJ bring him to justice in this instance?

you keep on repeating that the charges have been thrown out but let’s remember they have not been thrown out because of weak evidence but because of a legal technicality to do with jurisdiction.

 

[Pixie Child]

Did OG know who allegedly have the phone, or did that only come later ?

I think the -683 number only came up when BKA were already investigating him. A woman (ex girlfriend or NF presumably) told them she called him once on that number.

As I recall, we were led to believe that one of the 4 OC employees/burglars had his number. One of the employees may quite innocently have had a number for him if they used him for repairs.

 

[Mex]

They were ruled out.

Similarly, CB made a living with petty crimes and had no convictions for abduction and phone use 03/05/2007.

Of course he should be questioned, severely. But, unlike the 2014 three, he has been found guilty in the media.

Of course they were ruled out probably for the simple reason there was no evidence found against them. They could not have been the first to be ruled out either when one remembers the numbers of lines of enquiry SY had to address in the initial stages. Of which this was only one.

Actually I remember back to the wild speculation on fora and MSM and most spectacularly the drop kick aimed in the general direction of reporters in the scrum as they ran the gauntlet outside the police station. I think it was the pig farmer guy who was slightly annoyed by the bad press he was getting..
So they too had their unwelcome fifteen minutes of infamy.

They actually spoke to investigators though which CB does not intend to do, unless he has changed his mind since telling FF something about drinking holy water in Hell. Or words to that effect..

CB on the other hand has not been ruled out of the investigation as they were and unlike his fellow petty criminals and burglars has been made prime suspect on the weight of police evidence against him.

 

[Mex]

DBM double post

 

[Mex]

Wolters et al don't seem too bothered in doing that.
Its a funny old world where you don't actually question the prime suspect, or more correctly, the only suspect.

CB has the right to remain silent.
I believe he is exercising that right.

 

[Mex]

The German system is such though that the suspect is only questioned when the evidence has been gathered, have I got that right?

I think it is only when charges are made?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Not just CB's alleged little paradise.

Quinta do Arade, also known by many guests as “the little paradise”, is located near the Arade dam near the historic town of Silves in the Algarve. The Quinta consists of a set of 3 completely independent houses, two are for rent, the 4 Petals House and the Sunflower House and the other is the residence of Nereida and Jan, the hosts. Each house has the privacy you need to spend a relaxed holiday in natural surroundings with its private pool, terraces and garden to walk around. The farm has several fruit trees and an organic garden available to guests, availability will depend on the time of year.

Quinta do Arade

www.quintadoarade.com

LOL, this is now.

 

[Pixie Child]

Did the men questioned under caution in 2014 have convictions for abduction? They were apparently questioned because they were petty criminals with a connection to the Ocean Club - and I think something about phone traffic.

Speaking of the 2014 OG interviewees, I missed this previously.

This eye witness thought that the guy in shades acting suspiciously around the Block 5 stairwell 24h prior was one of the 12 questioned in 2014. (So much for it being Neil B.)

Madeleine McCann: Witness saw 'weird' stranger lurking near apartment

He is convinced the lurker was involved in the kidnap and spoke out after the Daily Mirror visited his home in the Algarve

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Lyall0814]

Of course they were ruled out probably for the simple reason there was no evidence found against them. They could not have been the first to be ruled out either when one remembers the numbers of lines of enquiry SY had to address in the initial stages. Of which this was only one.

Actually I remember back to the wild speculation on fora and MSM and most spectacularly the drop kick aimed in the general direction of reporters in the scrum as they ran the gauntlet outside the police station. I think it was the pig farmer guy who was slightly annoyed by the bad press he was getting..
So they too had their unwelcome fifteen minutes of infamy.

They actually spoke to investigators though which CB does not intend to do, unless he has changed his mind since telling FF something about drinking holy water in Hell. Or words to that effect..

CB on the other hand has not been ruled out of the investigation as they were and unlike his fellow petty criminals and burglars has been made prime suspect on the weight of police evidence against him.

Be honest though, the history of this case shows us it doesn't actually take much to be named prime suspect does it.

If they'd started in 2020 with their basic appeal and not simultaneously gone off with all the "If you knew what we know..." hyperbole they imo might have done better. But the gung ho acting may have actually been counter-productive. If I'd been someone thinking 'oh, I might have seen something', I'd have then thought 'well, they say they're 100% certain it was him. They must have a lot of evidence. My little piece of possible evidence clearly isn't needed'.

 

[frank-cole]

you keep on repeating that the charges have been thrown out but let’s remember they have not been thrown out because of weak evidence but because of a legal technicality to do with jurisdiction.

100% - the second chamber of the court affirmed that there is strong suspicion. IMO an argument that can’t be made is that jurisdictional technicalities are somehow a reflection of weak evidence. Evidently it’s much too contrary. IMO Everything is in place for what will be 5 easy convictions. I’m not surprised FF is trying slow everything down. IMO he certainly doesn’t want to be up against Braunschweig. Maybe they’re notorious for being incredibly difficult to beat.

 

[Okapi]

Don’t you think he wasn’t released because there is an active investigation into him for other crimes? Imagine if they did parole him with all the current media attention - no one would seriously take that risk. IMO, it’s this, not his record that prevented him being paroled.

That too, plus the flight risk. Likely several factors.

 

[Okapi]

Be honest though, the history of this case shows us it doesn't actually take much to be named prime suspect does it.

If they'd started in 2020 with their basic appeal and not simultaneously gone off with all the "If you knew what we know..." hyperbole they imo might have done better. But the gung ho acting may have actually been counter-productive. If I'd been someone thinking 'oh, I might have seen something', I'd have then thought 'well, they say they're 100% certain it was him. They must have a lot of evidence. My little piece of possible evidence clearly isn't needed'.

Possibly, in the sense that ‘bystanders’ might deliberately or accidentally dismiss their memories or impressions of other people or situations from the era, because as you say, it doesn’t fit the narrative.

We’ve seen so many public appeals down the years for information about the MM case and all the intruder assaults in the Algarve. Yet a perplexingly low ratio of witnesses have come forward, both to all these alleged crimes and to scenarios prompted by LE.

I do wonder if the survivor testimony (certainly of the three identified survivors) in the five pending cases, will do a better job of stirring memories or consciences.

Particularly as it’s likely new and previously undisclosed information will emerge about each crime itself, and the illustrious Mr B. Moreover the court will be hearing from credible witnesses in the sense that they aren’t from the criminal fraternity with questionable motives or agendas.

The two juvenile girls in the CSA offences will be adults when the charges come to court (the younger child is now 17 IIRC).

Just my thoughts.