Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[Trivento]

I think this happened in Portugal as DR said he reported the matter to police but they said there wasn't enough evidence to warrant further investigation. Had it been reported in Germany then I think the matter would have been treated seriously, based on CB already being a suspect in the Inga disappearance.

ETA DR's reported viewing of an American woman's rape on video was not used in the DM trial 2019 so it's my opinion BKA didn't know about it at that time.

So if 2017 bar confession was to DR , then the details given in JC book ( supposedly reflecting info from The Sun ) that 2017 bar confession was to HB , is incorrect .
Though to be fair to JC , he does use the words supposedly/ reportedly , when writing about this...

 

[Consider Dudley]

Read his words. He's a witness, not a hostage. And he says (or has been quoted as saying) "It all has to come to an end"

Nope, still none the wiser sorry.

 

[Tekno]

Perhaps they no longer need to use his evidence in any forthcoming trial?

Perhaps he’s no longer in witness protection. IMO

 

[misty48]

Perhaps he’s no longer in witness protection. IMO

All happening so soon after the Arade dam searches, too. Maybe BKA did find something useful.

 

[RichardKimble]

Perhaps they no longer need to use his evidence in any forthcoming trial?I

Or a challenge from the defence as had his evidence dismissed in one of more of the indictments.

 

[misty48]

Or a challenge from the defence as had his evidence dismissed in one of more of the indictments.

Would defence have challenged parts of the evidence before jurisdiction had been decided?

 

[RichardKimble]

Would defence have challenged parts of the evidence before jurisdiction had been decided?, I've said there's more to the jurisdiction issue ,

Could all be part of the challenge, imo it's not just jurisdiction.

 

[RichardKimble]

All happening so soon after the Arade dam searches, too. Maybe BKA did find something useful.

Depends on the point of view on whether they've had time to forensically examine the samples or not.

 

[C.greek]

It would certainly explain no charges in 3 years

And it would explain the public appeal for information?

 

[Okapi]

Wolters said they don't need a body, just need to be convinced she is dead, well they obviously arent.

German police 'don't need Madeleine McCann's body to prove suspect murdered her'

Hans Christian Wolters says authorities simply need to be 'convinced' Madeleine McCann is dead to put the suspect on trial. The child disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal in 2007

www.mirror.co.uk

I have wondered if (allied with undisclosed evidence) proof of death will suffice for the Prosecution to press charges.

 

[Okapi]

Late to the party. Two points raised my interest.

‘He said a police officer with whom he was friends, and a lawyer, had warned him against reporting what he had seen because it would cause him problems.’

When, and from which LE and country I wonder?

Secondly, his belief that CB abducted MM opportunistically as opposed to a planned crime. I query how plausible that is given witness accounts of blonde men watching the apartment; K&G M’s daily (predictable) dining routine; and previous discussion that CB scoped property targets.

‘“My theory is that he planned a break-in, then found the children in the apartment and then took Maddie with him. That was probably not at all planned.

‘“But with everything I know about him, I would certainly think he’s capable of such a crime. I believe he kidnapped her. Whether he actually killed her in the end, I don’t know.”’

BBM. This has multiple suggestions: that someone else could be the killer; that CB was solely the abductor, passing the child on; that footage exists or has been sighted of MM but the outcome is unknown; that CB abducted, molested and onsold the child; that MM remained alive for a time beyond the abduction. Etc.

Jmo

Key Madeleine McCann witness says Met police ignored tipoff for nine years

German man says he first contacted Scotland Yard about suspect Christian Brückner in 2008

www.theguardian.com

 

[Consider Dudley]

Given the apparent scepticism there is on here about HB and his evidence should the Met actually be applauded for ignoring his attempts at dropping CB in it back in 2008?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Late to the party. Two points raised my interest.

‘He said a police officer with whom he was friends, and a lawyer, had warned him against reporting what he had seen because it would cause him problems.’

When, and from which LE and country I wonder?

Secondly, his belief that CB abducted MM opportunistically as opposed to a planned crime. I query how plausible that is given witness accounts of blonde men watching the apartment; K&G M’s daily (predictable) dining routine; and previous discussion that CB scoped property targets.

‘“My theory is that he planned a break-in, then found the children in the apartment and then took Maddie with him. That was probably not at all planned.

‘“But with everything I know about him, I would certainly think he’s capable of such a crime. I believe he kidnapped her. Whether he actually killed her in the end, I don’t know.”’

BBM. This has multiple suggestions: that someone else could be the killer; that CB was solely the abductor, passing the child on; that footage exists or has been sighted of MM but the outcome is unknown; that CB abducted, molested and onsold the child; that MM remained alive for a time beyond the abduction. Etc.

Jmo

Key Madeleine McCann witness says Met police ignored tipoff for nine years

German man says he first contacted Scotland Yard about suspect Christian Brückner in 2008

www.theguardian.com

As you question the plausibility of an opportunistic abduction, I see it more as it could have been probably planned. Otherwise wouldn't it be more chaotic leaving traces? Would has he been even "luckier"?

 

[misty48]

Given the apparent scepticism there is on here about HB and his evidence should the Met actually be applauded for ignoring his attempts at dropping CB in it back in 2008?

Wouldn't the information have been passed to PJ who were the investigating force at the time? The Met would have had no jurisdiction to act as CB wasn't on UK soil.

 

[Trivento]

KF talking about HB chat they had…

At about 2.55 is mentioned that HB reportedly gave CB name and contact details to MM hotline in 2008.

Wonder if there still exists some sort of record of this report .. and if so perhaps a log of what CB’s phone number was at the time ..

Or perhaps no trace of this supposed call by HB exists anymore .. ?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Busching himself came forward it seems, possibly for the filthy lucre now is moaning about it if reports are true.


Helge Busching says he is the man who gave Brueckner's name to British police in 2017, around the 10th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance.

Witness who helped re-launch Maddie probe says suspect is guilty

Helge Busching, 48, has broken his 12-year silence on former friend Christian Brueckner, the main suspect in Madeleine McCann's abduction, after he was tracked down to a village in Corsica, Greece.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is interesting IMO in the article:

“Brueckner was convicted last year of raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz in 2005, although he is appealing the verdict and has yet to begin his sentence.”

And this:

“His lawyers, who deny he had any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, are seeking to use a procedural error to overturn his seven-year sentence for the rape.”

 

[Lyall0814]

If the police in London didn't exactly take his 2008 call seriously you can understand why I think. At that time they'd have had all sorts of people phoning emailing and faxing them about the case. Why would HB's call stand out?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If the police in London didn't exactly take his 2008 call seriously you can understand why I think. At that time they'd have had all sorts of people phoning emailing and faxing them about the case. Why would HB's call stand out?

He was providing a name of someone who had confessed?

Why did they take it seriously in 2017?

 

[Consider Dudley]

This is interesting IMO in the article:

“Brueckner was convicted last year of raping a 72-year-old woman in Praia da Luz in 2005, although he is appealing the verdict and has yet to begin his sentence.”

And this:

“His lawyers, who deny he had any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, are seeking to use a procedural error to overturn his seven-year sentence for the rape.”

I’m prett sure his rape conviction was before last year.

Yes, end of 2019

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

German had first conviction for child sexual abuse while a teenager and fled Germany for Portugal

www.theguardian.com

 

[Trivento]

If the police in London didn't exactly take his 2008 call seriously you can understand why I think. At that time they'd have had all sorts of people phoning emailing and faxing them about the case. Why would HB's call stand out?

As you say were probably thousands of calls ..

But how many of them would have been from people giving a name and contact details of an individual they had spoken to and appeared to confess detailed knowledge of the crime in question ?

Although when HB left his message ..did he mention CB’s apparent confession ? ..or did he just say CB’s name and number .. “ he might be involved “ ? ..then it may have stood out less I guess .