Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[Tekno]

I believe JC said CB was an informant for the PJ.

Can you please provide a reference?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I continue to think we may not be privy to all of the details, nor do I think we have any stake in how information will or should be shared. I still think we’ll find out a lot of the facts though.

In the absence of a jury & the lure of double jeopardy, I do think it’s obvious that German prosecutors & German judges assess evidence diligently & do so on the basis of all of the facts.

I think if we took ‘CB’ & ‘MM case’ out of the equation standards would lower & conclusions or assumptions would change.

Just out of interest. Do you accept the verdict in the Cipriano case?

Across all cases, the conviction rate in Germany is 54%, there might be more to it, just of a google search.

Convictions for rape are 83% in Germany and 80% in the UK so they are similar terms of result.

 

[Pixie Child]

Can you please provide a reference?

He said it in the Donal MacIntyre podcast. Sorry I don’t recall the episode - it might have been 5.

‎Murdered Missing Unsolved on Apple Podcasts

‎True Crime · 2022

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[Lilly b]

All three were identified before the appeal.

I didn't specifically mean the 2020 appeal, I meant any appeals for the disappearance of mm

 

[Pixie Child]

There's a lot of nonsense in that link. Not that I believe an abduction took place but, let's pretend I do for the sake of argument: First, no one would need a lock pic for an apartment where access was readily available though unlocked patio doors. Since CB is an alleged master burglar, I think we can be quite confident that rather than fiddling about at the front door with a lock pick, he would have chosen to enter through a door that required nothing more than opening. Second, the idea that this alleged abductor used paint solvent to sedate MM is ludicrous! Paint solvent has a very strong, distinctive and lingering smell. If such a method was used, the smell would have been noted and reported. It wasn't.

It's comical, the idea that the BKA is electrified by either of the above 'revelations'.

Sources indeed.

He was a professional burglar. He couldn’t rely on the McCanns leaving the patio doors open.

Is it that easy to get these lock picks? Will they send them to anyone?

I do agree with you that paint solvent would be noxious and I imagine also unpredictable in that the child could cough or vomit.

 

[Davieson]

He was a professional burglar. He couldn’t rely on the McCanns leaving the patio doors open.

Is it that easy to get these lock picks? Will they send them to anyone?

I do agree with you that paint solvent would be noxious and I imagine also unpredictable in that the child could cough or vomit.

Readily available on Amazon it would seem

 

[onemoremiletogo]

You don't think the public have the right to transparency in the justice system? I can't believe you really mean that.

None of us knows if he was guilty of the rape he's serving the sentence for. We can only say if we think the conviction was fair based on the evidence presented. I think it probably was.

But we're here primarily to discuss the MM case. Imagine if the German authorities tried to include evidence in a MM-related trial from a couple of folks who say they saw a video which no longer exists, and that video showed Madeleine. Would you be happy with that?

Was there any other charge/conviction on CB based only on that type of stuff? And again in MM case, HCW already told that, at least, HB and MS are not crucial pieces in the investigation.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

If they have the partial palm print then he will be convicted for sure but I’m not sure they do. FF is obviously trying to cast doubt on the DM conviction to assist the defence in the HB trial if it gets to court - without the print, the statements of HB and MS are obviously very important.

Not sure if I'm missing something or not capturing the initials of each one, but so, for FF, they are not credible, but oh maybe they can help...

 

[Mex]

Was there any other charge on CB based only on that type of stuff? And again in MM case, HCW already told that, at least, HB and MS are not crucial pieces in the investigation.

CB's criminal past owes nothing to criminal friends grassing him up. He made mistakes of his own which resulted in him being caught out on occasion.

If anyone did feel compelled to report him whatever their motive I think they are to be applauded. I think HB and MS might have started the ball rolling but that could not have happened without corroborating evidence being found to back their statements up.

 

[Mex]

Not sure if I'm missing something or not capturing the initials of each one, but so they are not credible but maybe they can help...

I struggle a lot with initials. I keep on forgetting who is who.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

There's a lot of nonsense in that link. Not that I believe an abduction took place but, let's pretend I do for the sake of argument: First, no one would need a lock pic for an apartment where access was readily available though unlocked patio doors. Since CB is an alleged master burglar, I think we can be quite confident that rather than fiddling about at the front door with a lock pick, he would have chosen to enter through a door that required nothing more than opening. Second, the idea that this alleged abductor used paint solvent to sedate MM is ludicrous! Paint solvent has a very strong, distinctive and lingering smell. If such a method was used, the smell would have been noted and reported. It wasn't.

It's comical, the idea that the BKA is electrified by either of the above 'revelations'.

Sources indeed.

Yes, unlocked patio door. And open window maybe for light, sound check from outside, and maybe to let (his) characteristic smell (plus any potential "soft solvent" used) to escape then from the inside. And also maybe even serving to distract as fake exit.

 

[Mex]

Yes, unlocked patio door. And open window maybe for light, sound check from outside, and maybe to let (his) characteristic smell (plus any potential "soft solvent" used) to escape then from the inside. And also maybe even serving to distract as fake exit.

If the intention was to cause confusion with the raised shutter and the open window it was one of the most successful ploys ever because it has done nothing but cause distraction from the word go.

Most of which has been of advantage to no-one but a perpetrator. And probably played a huge part in taking official eyes off the criminal fraternity of Luz at a very early stage including CB.


JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McC’s and their friends. Indeed within two days of MM disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story." We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped. To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Transcript: The Mystery of Madeleine McCann

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[Davieson]

If the intention was to cause confusion with the raised shutter and the open window it was one of the most successful ploys ever because it has done nothing but cause distraction from the word go.

Most of which has been of advantage to no-one but a perpetrator. And probably played a huge part in taking official eyes off the criminal fraternity of Luz at a very early stage including CB.


JOSE MANUEL OLIVEIRA
Crime reporter, 'Diario de Noticias'
Information started circulating from sources connected to the Portuguese police that the story was full of holes from the side of the McC’s and their friends. Indeed within two days of MM disappearing, this crime correspondent was filing this piece in the Portuguese Daily: Diario of the Noticias: "Headline: a badly told story." We started to receive information according to which the police suspected the theory they had apprehensions, didn't believe the theory that she had been kidnapped. To conclude, the police started to suspect the parents from the word go.

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Transcript: The Mystery of Madeleine McCann

news.bbc.co.uk

If the intention was to cause confusion with the raised shutter and the open window it was one of the most successful ploys ever because it has done nothing but cause distraction from the word go.

I couldn't agree more

 

[Anxala]

He was a professional burglar. He couldn’t rely on the McCanns leaving the patio doors open.

Is it that easy to get these lock picks? Will they send them to anyone?

I do agree with you that paint solvent would be noxious and I imagine also unpredictable in that the child could cough or vomit.

In this theoretical scenario, as an alleged professional burglar, and someone allegedly very familiar with these holiday apartments, he would have checked to see which door would gain him the speediest and least noticeable entry. No professional burglar with access to an unlocked door is going to ignore an unlocked door in favour of a locked one.

Whether he had a set of lock picks or not is entirely moot in this entirely theoretical instance.

JMO of course.

 

[Consider Dudley]

In this theoretical scenario, as an alleged professional burglar, and someone allegedly very familiar with these holiday apartments, he would have checked to see which door would gain him the speediest and least noticeable entry. No professional burglar with access to an unlocked door is going to ignore an unlocked door in favour of a locked one.

Whether he had a set of lock picks or not is entirely moot in this entirely theoretical instance.

JMO of course.

Unless of course he feared being seen entering by the patio doors by one of the parents atthe Tapas, or bumping into one doing a check. That said I tend to agree with the gist of your post. I wonder how long it takes to pick a lock like the one on the Apt 5 front door anyway…

 

[Pixie Child]

In this theoretical scenario, as an alleged professional burglar, and someone allegedly very familiar with these holiday apartments, he would have checked to see which door would gain him the speediest and least noticeable entry. No professional burglar with access to an unlocked door is going to ignore an unlocked door in favour of a locked one.

Whether he had a set of lock picks or not is entirely moot in this entirely theoretical instance.

JMO of course.

I’ve always thought that the abductor came in & exited through the main door. (I thought he might have keys).

Between the darkness & shrubs, there was quite a bit of cover as long as no-one was in the car-park. He was able to check the car park by looking out the window.

 

[Mex]

In this theoretical scenario, as an alleged professional burglar, and someone allegedly very familiar with these holiday apartments, he would have checked to see which door would gain him the speediest and least noticeable entry. No professional burglar with access to an unlocked door is going to ignore an unlocked door in favour of a locked one.

Whether he had a set of lock picks or not is entirely moot in this entirely theoretical instance.

JMO of course.

There might have been occasions when such a tool kit would have been useful but entering 5a was not one of them.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Unless of course he feared being seen entering by the patio doors by one of the parents atthe Tapas, or bumping into one doing a check. That said I tend to agree with the gist of your post. I wonder how long it takes to pick a lock like the one on the Apt 5 front door anyway…

IMO he may have planned it previously by careful attention to details and their easy routine. Apart from how he probably already knew the place so well.

 

[Mex]

I’ve always thought that the abductor came in & exited through the main door. (I thought he might have keys).

Between the darkness & shrubs, there was quite a bit of cover as long as no-one was in the car-park. He was able to check the car park by looking out the window.

I think we tend to forget how dense the tree foliage was at the time and the overhanging nature of the branches. There was only one street light which was situated beside the trees, so the car park could have been very dark.
I think after dark it would have been quite difficult to see anyone who didn't want to be seen.

 

[Pixie Child]

There might have been occasions when such a tool kit would have been useful but entering 5a was not one of them.

I tend to agree. The lock picks are good for the top Yale type lock. It’s hard to tell if the door has a 5 lever lock - if so, that would take time.