Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[Mex]

They have some evidence clearly, alleged confessions etc. Not enough to convince me though. That's all I can say. It's all just my opinion.

My opinion is that they do have evidence but they are happy to keep going after more if the belief is there is more to be uncovered.
We have recently seen them in action doing just that ~ and that is just what we've seen, I don't think they broadcast everything they do.

 

[Dave55]

Thanks very much, Jano the PJ kept the sheets which they sent to Germany, or they just sent the hairs which they had kept since 2005. How fortunate that one of them was an exact match to CB!

Are you suggesting the Germans may have falsified the data <modsnip: rude>

 

[Lyall0814]

If the investigators have not been building an evidence based case, what is it you think they've been doing instead?

Failing at building one? As I said earlier "we'll see" if it ever gets to court. But then you couldn't resist saying those who don't believe CB has any connection to MM also are weak on wishing to see him examined on the other charges he faces. And that's just a cheap trick. If he's guilty of the other crimes then nobody here wishes he doesn't face the music for them, and you know that very well. You - and others - will keep on saying it again and again though. Probably because there's not much else to say when three years on the investigation is still apparently not much nearer to its goal, if it's any nearer at all.

 

[Lyall0814]

My opinion is that they do have evidence but they are happy to keep going after more if the belief is there is more to be uncovered.
We have recently seen them in action doing just that ~ and that is just what we've seen, I don't think they broadcast everything they do.

I'm sure they don't but personally I doubt it would have been possible to keep any substantial discovery a secret. As we all know so well this is not a low profile case. Keeping something secret from the tabloids would not be an easy task imo They'd find out. And the chances of the tabloids keeping something big secret are zero imo

 

[Dave55]

IfCB murdered and abused a victim... there will be a video....the question is what happened to that video

 

[frank-cole]

We should thank GA for letting us know about CB....LOL
Maybe because they knocked on his door and as he was not there, they went away...but with all interest in coming back later.

Y’old “knock knock”, “who’s there”, “nobody”, “ahh ok, let’s just pin it on the mother”

IMO if this happened in a town with better policing they may have identified CB early & we wouldn’t even be debating it now. IMO if they made the crime scene really big and worked their way inwards, then they may have found thinks like discarded cigarette butts. CB was a smoker.
Unfortunately I don’t think they’d have found the perpetrator if this had happened to any of other child in that region at that time either. Evidently it seems very clear that the local force weren’t able to deal with the major crimes happening in their area. They weren’t all bad apples they just weren’t run correctly. The crime in that area needed a premiership team of skilled people, but IMO they were a local league team not good enough to handle the crime in that area.

 

[Mex]

IfCB murdered and abused a victim... there will be a video....the question is what happened to that video

Unfortunately, I agree with you when you say "there will be a video". I don't think it is in police possession but my opinion is they do know exactly what is on it.

On the other hand they may have it but not the connection to CB.
My opinion

 

[frank-cole]

Thank you for your reply to my post, Denis.

In which I replied to the stand alone question you asked of me in yours,

Which was, “Please provide a source for CB’s criminal conviction for the possession of illegal images.”

The information you required was duly passed back to you as being part of the criminal abuse of a minor which included illegal photographic images and including which if memory serves me well, CB’s depraved image during the sexual assault.

The images he recorded for posterity along with his own, were of a little girl who was only six years old. I really have no interest in discussing the motives of sexual perverts and have replied to your post with a source detailing his conviction. I think you must agree.

Completely agree with your original point and why you made it. Highlighting CB’s criminal history (as you’ve done) added to the fact he has a history of taking pictures of his assaults is very relevant to the 5 linked crimes & the MM case. IMO highlighting that fact indicates that he may have done so (as reported) in 3 of the linked cases, it also leads to the strong argument that this type of evidence could be a part of the evidence in the MM case.

IMO discrediting or dismissing such facts (from previous cases) is often when one wants to speculate that the plausibility of CB’s involvement in the current cases is low. Acknowledging the facts/his history raises the plausibility of CB committing the other alleged offences. IMO there’s no rational argument that the BKA are incompetent, much to the contrary. However there may be a reluctance to accept or acknowledge the BKA’s investigative success or competence in past cases when one wants to suggest to the contrary in current or future cases. JMO

*Note - I know that MO won’t be the key evidence

 

[RichardKimble]

IfCB murdered and abused a victim... there will be a video....the question is what happened to that video

It'll turn up when they find the man on the grassy knoll.

 

[Okapi]

My opinion is that they do have evidence but they are happy to keep going after more if the belief is there is more to be uncovered.
We have recently seen them in action doing just that ~ and that is just what we've seen, I don't think they broadcast everything they do.

That’s my 50c too: I don’t get why non-disclosure of all their cards automatically means the Prosecution has no useful evidence.

I also think it’s plausible that the overall MM investigation has unearthed mutually supportive evidence for the separate charges.

HazelB has a renowned defence lawyer, specialising in human rights and international law. Imo he wouldn’t make this proclamation on the basis of blind optimism.

“We are confident that the German police are mounting a strong and credible case.”


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[Denis R Tandib]

Completely agree with your original point and why you made it. Highlighting CB’s criminal history (as you’ve done) added to the fact he has a history of taking pictures of his assaults is very relevant to the 5 linked crimes & the MM case. IMO highlighting that fact indicates that he may have done so (as reported) in 3 of the linked cases, it also leads to the strong argument that this type of evidence could be a part of the evidence in the MM case.

IMO discrediting or dismissing such facts (from previous cases) is often when one wants to speculate that the plausibility of CB’s involvement in the current cases is low. Acknowledging the facts/his history raises the plausibility of CB committing the other alleged offences. IMO there’s no rational argument that the BKA are incompetent, much to the contrary. However there may be a reluctance to accept or acknowledge the BKA’s investigative success or competence in past cases when one wants to suggest to the contrary in current or future cases. JMO

*Note - I know that MO won’t be the key evidence

Frank, if people make statements as facts, then they need to be supported with a source. These are the rules of the forum.

Mex clearly stated that CB had a conviction for the possession of illegal images. This is untrue.

I didn’t dismiss any facts, rather, I tried to keep the facts straight which is important given the clear biases people have.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Y’old “knock knock”, “who’s there”, “nobody”, “ahh ok, let’s just pin it on the mother”

IMO if this happened in a town with better policing they may have identified CB early & we wouldn’t even be debating it now. IMO if they made the crime scene really big and worked their way inwards, then they may have found thinks like discarded cigarette butts. CB was a smoker.
Unfortunately I don’t think they’d have found the perpetrator if this had happened to any of other child in that region at that time either. Evidently it seems very clear that the local force weren’t able to deal with the major crimes happening in their area. They weren’t all bad apples they just weren’t run correctly. The crime in that area needed a premiership team of skilled people, but IMO they were a local league team not good enough to handle the crime in that area.

Were the teams investigating Jeffery Dalmer, Rose and Fred West, Ivan Milat, Peter Sutcliffe, Josef Fritzel better?

Let’s be clear, the Met and the BKA have nothing more to show for their investigation than the PJ at this stage.

Hindsight is always 20:20.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

IfCB murdered and abused a victim... there will be a video....the question is what happened to that video

There are no known videos after the alleged recording of the DM rape in 2005. CB has never been convicted of murder.

I the above statement is based on a faulty premise followed by an opinion.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I don't understand the negativity permeating what must surely be the last shot at settling for once and all the MM so called mystery. To the extent that there is tacit support for the possibility that five serious crimes of a sexual nature may not be scrutinised in court, although not directly linked to MM but deserving of a hearing in their own right.

Negativity to one person is a realistic appraisal of the situation to another.

The current BKA investigation has been running for six years. The most recent forecast from the prosecutor is that it could run for nine years.

Based on HCW’s statements shortly after the appeal the the investigation was not meant to run for this amount of time.

From this, I have to conclude that there are problems in proving that CB committed any offence against MM.

As a result, the media conviction of CB is objectionable.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If the investigators have not been building an evidence based case, what is it you think they've been doing instead?

Perhaps trying to prove a theory that, if done, would enable them to close a very high profile case.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It's a thread about MM. Those of us who don't think he had any connection to her don't have any difficulty separating whatever else that man may have done from the theory (which is still all it is) he was involved in MM's disappearance. It's others who can't - or consciously won't - separate the two things, not us.

I agree.

It’s a proven fact that CB is a violent criminal. Further convictions for rape or abuse uphold this fact but they don’t change it.

They certainly do nothing to prove he abducted and murdered MM.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

To even run the risk of suffering a miscarriage of justice one must first experience justice in action in the form of a trial conducted in accordance with the law.

Philosophically speaking, if you give what you have said some unbiased consideration, you might come to consider a different option. In that your emphatic certainty that CB will suffer prejudicial treatment should he be required to face trial as indicted is in itself flying in the face of justice.

There has been a media trial and conviction without any evidence to prove it. This could already constitute a miscarriage of justice.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

PJ and BKA, nothing differs them, they are brothers in acts...on what they have to show now. The film show of the evidence not demonstrated...the "tribal" demand of an hermetic audience. What they did or not, how they investigate or not, where did they go to re-search and dig up is just a little minor. Not only for the evidence itself, this is literally a matter of "To have or have not"...

 

[Denis R Tandib]

PJ and BKA, nothing differs them, they are brothers in acts...on what they have to show now. The film show of the evidence not demonstrated...the "tribal" demand of an hermetic audience. What they did or not, how they investigate or not, where did they go to re-search and dig up is just a little minor. Not only for the evidence itself, this is literally a matter of "To have or have not"...

Breuckneresque

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Completely agree with your original point and why you made it. Highlighting CB’s criminal history (as you’ve done) added to the fact he has a history of taking pictures of his assaults is very relevant to the 5 linked crimes & the MM case. IMO highlighting that fact indicates that he may have done so (as reported) in 3 of the linked cases, it also leads to the strong argument that this type of evidence could be a part of the evidence in the MM case.

IMO discrediting or dismissing such facts (from previous cases) is often when one wants to speculate that the plausibility of CB’s involvement in the current cases is low. Acknowledging the facts/his history raises the plausibility of CB committing the other alleged offences. IMO there’s no rational argument that the BKA are incompetent, much to the contrary. However there may be a reluctance to accept or acknowledge the BKA’s investigative success or competence in past cases when one wants to suggest to the contrary in current or future cases. JMO

*Note - I know that MO won’t be the key evidence

Exactly.
He has a historical record of offenses, and as you well mention, that raises the plausibility of his involvement in the current cases, even more considering their context. Not the contrary. Clearly. Obviously. Suspicions that have to be proven, ok, hope they will be successful and keep him in.