Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[onemoremiletogo]

This is going in circles and circles....the same repetitive inquisitive basic questions...thread#37...maybe go and search back. So much documented in there.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

True, hindsight is 20:20. It’s also worth noting that the cases in the Algarve are far more recent & far better resource available & obtainable.

That said, if this was a seaside resort in Britain, (or in the majority of other seaside locations are Europe) in 2007, I highly doubt 28 cases of a sex offender entering little girls bedrooms, numerous rapes, numerous child abuse cases & child abductions would all go unsolved in just 1 small area in a relatively small time frame. It would have been flagged early & major resource would have been put into that area to deal with the serious levels of crime. If that level of serious unsolved crime was happening in the area you or I lived IMO it would be an even more intense version (2007 version) of how people reacted when the night stalker was active because an offender was going after the children! Unfortunately people were unaware. Tourism, economy n’all.

IMO It reflects the sheer incompetence of the police force in that region, it’s no wonder a lot of these crimes only came to light when other LEA’s got involved.

I wouldn't never write it better.
What would be obscure now if others didn't get involved.

 

[RichardKimble]

I think you could make that argument if it was only HB who came forward.

But it will be more difficult to make that argument about the person to whom he confessed in the bar on the 10th anniversary. That person was concerned enough to report it to police with nothing to gain and hopefully is of good character.

When you put all the admissions - (‘horrible job to do’, ‘she’s dead now, that’s a good thing’); potential admission to Panikspatz and writing about it, you have to ask why did he put himself in the frame for this particular crime?

He didn’t go around telling people he killed Inge or Joanna - there’s no evidence that he’s a fantasist.

The bolded bits will be easily challenged by the defence, unless the horrible" job to do" is specific to Madeleine in a discussion it could be brushed off as cleaning out a cess pit, shes dead now, equally it could be a throw away sentence of an observation, a good thing ? who knows what he means, .What's needed is testimony that CB was in Luz that night, forensics that ties him to Madeleine, that can only come about if remains are found.imo.

 

[RichardKimble]

This is going in circles and circles....the same repetitive inquisitive basic questions...thread#37...maybe go and search back. So much documented in there.

Was it ever thus, the case has lurched between many a suspect to the present , with out an end in sight.

 

[Pixie Child]

The bolded bits will be easily challenged by the defence, unless the horrible" job to do" is specific to Madeleine in a discussion it could be brushed off as cleaning out a cess pit, shes dead now, equally it could be a throw away sentence of an observation, a good thing ? who knows what he means, .What's needed is testimony that CB was in Luz that night, forensics that ties him to Madeleine, that can only come about if remains are found.imo.

The Defence can challenge each point but the cumulative effect of the evidence should be enough to put him away.

Trials are not about getting to the nitty gritty of the truth, rather the Prosecution seek to create a narrative and hope that a couple of big points swing the Jury/Judge.

Any Judge would be asking why did he make all the voluntary admissions or half-admissions? No-one else did.

This case would get over the line without forensics but the BKA need to convince not only a Judge but the parents and the public. So they will try to bolster their case with phone mast evidence and any scrap of forensics they can get - all to create the narrative and give a Judge material for his judgment.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Was it ever thus, the case has lurched between many a suspect to the present , with out an end in sight.

Only one by BKA since 2020, CB, even if charges may not come.

 

[Davieson]

The Defence can challenge each point but the cumulative effect of the evidence should be enough to put him away.

Trials are not about getting to the nitty gritty of the truth, rather the Prosecution seek to create a narrative and hope that a couple of big points swing the Jury/Judge.

Any Judge would be asking why did he make all the voluntary admissions or half-admissions? No-one else did.

This case would get over the line without forensics but the BKA need to convince not only a Judge but the parents and the public. So they will try to bolster their case with phone mast evidence and any scrap of forensics they can get - all to create the narrative and give a Judge material for his judgment.

Not if the defence demolishes that cumulative effect.

 

[Davieson]

Only one by BKA since 2020, CB, even if charges may not come.

Once police identify a prime suspect, do they even bother looking elsewhere for another suspect?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

If police identify a prime suspect, do they even bother looking elsewhere for another suspect?

Come on, for how long they have been investigating? I would say likely with counter-checks also to try to negate their suspicion. I do not believe they came for the appeal lightly.

 

[Davieson]

Come on, for how long they have been investigating? I would say likely with counter-checks also to try to negate their suspicion. I do not believe they come for the appeal lightly.

They were given CB's name. Have they ever looked for anyone else since then or have they concentrated on finding evidence against him, being convinced of his guilt.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Panikspatz is described as a ‘client’. They talked on Skype but they must have met online elsewhere. We know police talked to others.

He has also been linked to Boystown.

We know from MT that ‘he was always on the dark web’ and MT thought it was drugs and *advertiser censored*.

There were hundreds of paedophiles in the area. It stands to reason that CB did it because he has confessed on 2 separate occasions and made a number of additional odd comments. He was away clear but he put himself in the frame. Like MT said, he was a braggart, liked to talk about his crimes past & future.

I don’t doubt CB bragged about crimes, I’m sure that’s common of criminals speaking with one another. I’m equally sure they talk rubbish to one another to makes themselves more notorious. It doesn’t mean much unless there is evidence to corroborate their tall tales. That’s were we’ve hit a roadblock in this investigation, clearly not enough evidence to charge.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

True, hindsight is 20:20. It’s also worth noting that the cases in the Algarve are far more recent & far better resource available & obtainable.

That said, if this was a seaside resort in Britain, (or in the majority of other seaside locations are Europe) in 2007, I highly doubt 28 cases of a sex offender entering little girls bedrooms, numerous rapes, numerous child abuse cases & child abductions would all go unsolved in just 1 small area in a relatively small time frame. It would have been flagged early & major resource would have been put into that area to deal with the serious levels of crime. If that level of serious unsolved crime was happening in the area you or I lived IMO it would be an even more intense version (2007 version) of how people reacted when the night stalker was active because an offender was going after the children! Unfortunately people were unaware. Tourism, economy n’all.

IMO It reflects the sheer incompetence of the police force in that region, it’s no wonder a lot of these crimes only came to light when other LEA’s got involved.

Do you have anything to back any of that up or just an ethnocentric view that policing in seaside towns in the UK is better than the Algarve.

Unfortunately child abuse and rapes are common - certainly where I live and probably where you live.

But why is this important when discussing whether or not CB is connected to any crime relating to MM?

The PJ didn’t find a connection between CB and MM, neither did OG and the BKA can’t prove its suspicions - 16 years, three different LE agencies and no charge against CB. IMO, it’s possible he’s not responsible.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

They were given CB's name. Have they ever looked for anyone else since then or have they concentrated on finding evidence against him, being convinced of his guilt.

Since then?! Obviously I was referring before 2020, during investigation. After the appeal, IMO it makes sense to only focus, manage support and resources to strenghten evidences on him. Also, nothing else "appeared" that could, at least, show a possible different context to be re-explored.

 

[frank-cole]

I wouldn't never write it better.
What would be obscure now if others didn't get involved.

Agreed, but what is the point in highlighting past history?
Portuguese police service has probably improved, though no degree of improvement alters the

Agreed, but what is the point in highlighting past history?
Portuguese police service has probably improved, though no degree of improvement alters the past.

Yes, they had no other option, they had to improve. Past history is very key IMO & I tend not to want to fall into the trap of being blindsided by analysing things in isolation. I think it’s far more rational to analyse the totality because that’ll tell the real story.

1 As an example one could take the 2 additional rape cases into context. One could look at them in isolation & base an opinion solely on open source information. Therefore making the suggestion it’s not plausible or it’s a weak case etc etc etc.
2 Or one could look at it differently. One could consider it in totality with the other open-source information & CB’s history, one could also expect that they wouldn’t have charged if there wasn’t evidence & also see the similarities in MO’s, as explained by both rape victims & 2 witnesses. 4 people all describing the same things regarding 4 rapes. 4 people + CB also describing a very unique part of the MO.
IMO point 1 is massively reaching & point 2 is far more likely.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The Defence can challenge each point but the cumulative effect of the evidence should be enough to put him away.

Trials are not about getting to the nitty gritty of the truth, rather the Prosecution seek to create a narrative and hope that a couple of big points swing the Jury/Judge.

Any Judge would be asking why did he make all the voluntary admissions or half-admissions? No-one else did.

This case would get over the line without forensics but the BKA need to convince not only a Judge but the parents and the public. So they will try to bolster their case with phone mast evidence and any scrap of forensics they can get - all to create the narrative and give a Judge material for his judgment.

I think there is only one real admission and that was to HB in 2008. The others are possible but not certain and would any of them act as prosecution witnesses.

As it’s stands, the cumulative effect is not enough for a charge.

 

[Pixie Child]

Not if the defence demolishes that cumulative effect.

Impossible without an alibi. CB won’t give evidence. The Defence can attack HB’s motives but they can’t do much with the bar witness. The bar witness corroborates HB. The 2 confessions will be accepted.

 

[Pixie Child]

I think there is only one real admission and that was to HB in 2008. The others are possible but not certain and would any of them act as prosecution witnesses.

As it’s stands, the cumulative effect is not enough for a charge.

I think they have enough to charge but the strategy is to try the other crimes first, use the time to investigate MM and use the long sentence ahead to break him.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Really still not enough to charge?! Or do they want ("not need") the body/forensics to "mummify" the defense and convict beyond the slightest doubt?

Regardless of the little or nothing relevant that may come from the recent searches in May, we had different police forces in Arade...if this says little about the evidence they may have on him...

 

[RichardKimble]

I think they have enough to charge but the strategy is to try the other crimes first, use the time to investigate MM and use the long sentence ahead to break him.

Let's play devil's advocate here, what if let's say at least one of the charges he was indicted for and includes alleged video taping results in a not proven does that reduce the likelihood of any charges in the MM case by 20%?

 

[Lyall0814]

I think they have enough to charge but the strategy is to try the other crimes first, use the time to investigate MM and use the long sentence ahead to break him.

You think they've got enough even though HCW has told the world they don't have enough? That's illogical.