Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[Mex]

Look, I think this issue may come down to semantics?

Can you genuinely please explain the difference to me between “a conviction for the possession of illegal images”, which CB does not have, and the convictions BBM in the source below? (which will probably be censored now I come to think of it, but check the link if so).

‘News magazine Spiegel today revealed that Brueckner has 17 convictions in Germany for child abuse and child *advertiser censored* offences, driving without a licence, assault, burglary, theft and drink driving.
…

‘In 2013 he abused another little girl and was caught with child *advertiser censored*, and was jailed for those offences in 2016.’


New Madeleine McCann suspect discussed her in an online chatroom


Are you differentiating between possession and recording of indecent material? Or are media sources misattributing the crime?
I am lost, Denis, sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Btw does anyone have a link for CB’s precise verbatim convictions? I am only finding paraphrases, hence my confusion no doubt.

I think part of the reason it is so difficult to access details of his crimes and convictions is because of the very nature of the criminal offenses committed and the need for the confidentiality of the survivors.

 

[Mex]

Look, I think this issue may come down to semantics?

Can you genuinely please explain the difference to me between “a conviction for the possession of illegal images”, which CB does not have, and the convictions BBM in the source below? (which will probably be censored now I come to think of it, but check the link if so).

‘News magazine Spiegel today revealed that Brueckner has 17 convictions in Germany for child abuse and child *advertiser censored* offences, driving without a licence, assault, burglary, theft and drink driving.
…

‘In 2013 he abused another little girl and was caught with child *advertiser censored*, and was jailed for those offences in 2016.’


New Madeleine McCann suspect discussed her in an online chatroom


Are you differentiating between possession and recording of indecent material? Or are media sources misattributing the crime?
I am lost, Denis, sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Btw does anyone have a link for CB’s precise verbatim convictions? I am only finding paraphrases, hence my confusion no doubt.

I think part of the reason it is so difficult to access details of his crimes and convictions is because of the very nature of the criminal offenses committed and the need for the confidentiality of the survivors.

 

[Mex]

I think people's views on CB have been influenced by the stories in the media. The problem with that is that they cannot be relied on. Trial by media doesn't always rely on truth, but on innuendo, gossip and publicity seeking 'witnesses.

Absolutely agree that trial by media is the equivalent of a kangaroo court. Which is why the majority of people take much of what is said with a pinch of salt. It is also why investigators tend not to feed reporters unless controlled by the need to seek specific information from members of the public.
Much as HCW did when seeking information on phone numbers and particular vehicles.

Apparently there is no jury in German trials so no fear of prejudicial media interference from that source. I doubt very much that the learned German judges allow themselves to be influenced by the German equivalent of the Sun.
So no worries there ~ I think CB's trial will be safe from adverse media influence when and if it is ever allowed to take place.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

Was it ever thus, the case has lurched between many a suspect to the present , with out an end in sight.

For a case which was shelved in 2008 there very much is an end in sight but only now that the ignored evidence of 2008 was given proper scrutiny and the investigative avenues thus opened were explored.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

They were given CB's name. Have they ever looked for anyone else since then or have they concentrated on finding evidence against him, being convinced of his guilt.

They have investigated many names. None became prime suspects. None were charged. Probably because there was no evidence against them,

Of the people looked at over the years, why would CB the one to become prime suspect and arguido?
Could it be as a result of the evidence found against him? In my opinion it is.

The police do not determine guilt - they collect the evidence - a court of law determines who walks or goes down.

 

[Mex]

I don’t doubt CB bragged about crimes, I’m sure that’s common of criminals speaking with one another. I’m equally sure they talk rubbish to one another to makes themselves more notorious. It doesn’t mean much unless there is evidence to corroborate their tall tales. That’s were we’ve hit a roadblock in this investigation, clearly not enough evidence to charge.

That is your opinion which definitely is not supported by the evidence in police hands, unless you are part of the investigation.

 

[Pixie Child]

Let's play devil's advocate here, what if let's say at least one of the charges he was indicted for and includes alleged video taping results in a not proven does that reduce the likelihood of any charges in the MM case by 20%?

I think each case is successful or falls on its own facts.

 

[Pixie Child]

You think they've got enough even though HCW has told the world they don't have enough? That's illogical.

They are using the time to do every search possible, chase down every lead, try to get some forensics. Once the time runs out, they will question him and charge.

 

[Mex]

Do you have anything to back any of that up or just an ethnocentric view that policing in seaside towns in the UK is better than the Algarve.

Unfortunately child abuse and rapes are common - certainly where I live and probably where you live.

But why is this important when discussing whether or not CB is connected to any crime relating to MM?

The PJ didn’t find a connection between CB and MM, neither did OG and the BKA can’t prove its suspicions - 16 years, three different LE agencies and no charge against CB. IMO, it’s possible he’s not responsible.

Of course it is possible CB is not responsible for MM despite being prime suspect for that and the other indicted crimes for which he is awaiting trial.
When the law allows we will no doubt find out what evidence there is against him, then we can argue the appeal process or wave him goodbye as he is released to do get on with his life.

 

[Lyall0814]

They are using the time to do every search possible, chase down every lead, try to get some forensics. Once the time runs out, they will question him and charge.

That's up to the court, not the prosecutors. We'll see.

 

[Mex]

You think they've got enough even though HCW has told the world they don't have enough? That's illogical.

German prosecutor HCW said investigators have enough evidence to bring a charge against the suspect but want to “strengthen their position” first.

Madeleine McCann investigators ‘100% convinced’ suspect killed her

Prosecutors said they will hold off until they have more evidence

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Davieson]

They have investigated many names. None became prime suspects. None were charged. Probably because there was no evidence against them,

Of the people looked at over the years, why would CB the one to become prime suspect and arguido?
Could it be as a result of the evidence found against him? In my opinion it is.

The police do not determine guilt - they collect the evidence - a court of law determines who walks or goes down.

Not by the Germans. They had no interest until they were given a name of a German national who they happened to have in custody.

 

[Davieson]

Of course it is possible CB is not responsible for MM despite being prime suspect for that and the other indicted crimes for which he is awaiting trial.
When the law allows we will no doubt find out what evidence there is against him, then we can argue the appeal process or wave him goodbye as he is released to do get on with his life.

I think he'll serve a few years yet as he's bound to be found guilty on at least one of the five outstanding charges

 

[Mex]

I think each case is successful or falls on its own facts.

Absolutely.
The five cases in the queue are all stand alone cases with none reliant on or relevant to any of the others. Just as neither jointly or severally have they anything to do with the MM case.
My opinion

 

[frank-cole]

He is said to have videoed one rape, allegations yet to be heard in court of others, where are the allegations of photographing his child molestation from?

DM said he videotaped her horrific rape. HB, MS & HB all say he filmed his assaults. Goes back to legally innocent & factually innocent. Not being heard yet doesn’t mean he’s factually innocent & IMO based on the fact he was charged & on the albeit limited open-source information, he isn’t factually innocent. Evidently that logic can work 2 ways but I don’t equate not being charged yet with not being responsible

In regards to the child assault you mentioned. I believe the Mex has already posted thorough information in the last 2 days, but I’ll attach a report to substantiate.

Christian Brueckner was jailed for abusing ex-girlfriend's daughter

The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was jailed for sexually abusing the five-year-old daughter of a former girlfriend, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[frank-cole]

I wouldn't never write it better.
What would be obscure now if others didn't get involved.

Thank you. The contrast in competence is highlighted by the fact that other LEA’s discovered many sexual crimes that they didn’t. I highly doubt they’ve identified all of the sexual crime that happened in that area. It pains me to contemplate that victims, witnesses & evidence may actually have reached a PJ’s detectives desk & little or no action was taken. The way they tried to brush Hazel & her assault to one side is aggravating, as is the inability to pass on the information when Julian Tottman came forward to them early. Same also applies to nonchalantly knocking on CB’s old door & not even bothering to dig deeper. I could list several other scenarios.
After the cases are concluded I wouldn’t be surprised if an independent, very thorough & relentless review is conducted on the policing in that area at that time. IMO there’s a possibility innocent people went to prison & more crimes & victims could be identified. JMO

 

[frank-cole]

They have investigated many names. None became prime suspects. None were charged. Probably because there was no evidence against them,

Of the people looked at over the years, why would CB the one to become prime suspect and arguido?
Could it be as a result of the evidence found against him? In my opinion it is.

The police do not determine guilt - they collect the evidence - a court of law determines who walks or goes down.

Great point. Out of the 1000’s of sightings, 1000’s of tip-offs & 100’s of sexual offenders, it is Christian B that is being investigated for murder. If this was a case of pinning the crime on a random, there’d have been thousands of opportunities to do so beforehand. There can only be one reason that CB is sole prime suspect in all 3 countries,…... Evidence!

 

[Okapi]

Yes, a number of threads back, I listed his entire criminal history, please try searching for it on the forum.

He is a serial offender but has no convictions for abduction, burglary, possession of CSA images or footage or murder.

Thanks Denis, I had a look although this is all I can hoke out: post 127 in thread 34:

‘Against children there are only the convictions in 1994 and 2016.

‘In 2017 he was convicted for beating up his then very young girlfriend.

‘Then there is the DM rape.’

But no source, so I can’t sparse semantics. Anyhow, the verbatim convictions aren’t readily available in media archives to the best of my knowledge, so it’s a bit of a murky reservoir. Moving on I think

 

[Dave55]

There are no known videos after the alleged recording of the DM rape in 2005. CB has never been convicted of murder.

I the above statement is based on a faulty premise followed by an opinion.

Both DM and HB said he set up a camera..that's quite unusual

 

[Alexmaster13]

I wondered if the fact that there's nothing new is due to the situation with Russia... 1/ his ex-girlfriend NF was in a relationship with Russians (troubled history of being a psychologist in Portugal for troubled German teenagers (?!) why bring troubled German teenagers to Portugal with one of them allegedly coming back pregnant) 2/ CB telling another of his exes (MM) about Madeleine “I know about Maddie, I was near the hotel at the time. I am not going to say anything more. I am not a stupid guy, I am a businessman » 3/ CB's entourage questioned about two Russian brothers in Spain