Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[Mex]

One of CB's acquaintances said he took older women out and about at times. Perhaps giglio was one of his roles? Lonely older women can and do convince themselves that relationships with younger men are love affairs when they are not. Depending on the amount of self-delusion the woman practiced and the amount of humilation it caused when she had to face the truth a report of being raped is not out of the question imo.

Was this allegation raised where it actually mattered which was at his trial for the brutal rape of DM?

 

[Consider Dudley]

It is obviously FF’s job to cast doubt on the prosecutions evidence.

People seem to be mistaking what he is saying in the quote from Bild that I shared up thread. He isn’t denying that both DM and HB were brutally raped, he is questioning whether CB committed those rapes. His reason for this is the inconsistency of statements between Helga B and MD and their credibility as witnesses. He’s doing his job - quite effectively IMO.

There is reference made from @Consider Dudley as to why FF hasn’t appealed the DM conviction. This is a a completely incorrect assertion because he has filed an appeal - see below. No doubt, he is developing a strategy to overcome the DNA/hair evidence and we are yet to see if that will be successful, won’t be easy but perhaps he can do it.

IMO, there is a lot more to CB’s status as a suspect for MM disappearance and perhaps some of the other crimes and nothing should be taken as certain based on the prosecutors words.

“But Brueckner recently had his thighs examined in a bid to reveal that he does not have a marking like this on this part of his body.”

The 'new facts' rest on the result of an 'operative case analysis', by Germany's version of the FBI, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), which indicated that both rapes were committed by the same attacker, Fuelscher claims.

He argues that since Bruckner does not have a scar on his thigh, it would mean he is not only innocent of the 2004 rape of Ms Behan, but he also cannot be the person who raped the US national in 2005 for which he is currently in jail.

“Fuelscher has now filed an application to the Braunschweig Regional Court to reopen the 2005 rape case which took place in Portugal.”

My apologies for the “completely incorrect assertion” but to be fair I asked the question has he appealed to be told that it was too late for that so assumed the answer was no. When was the appeal filed and has there been any follow up?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I’d forgotten about the paint thinner. I’m sure it’ll have been discussed many threads ago in relation to his mechanic jobs and of course, the open window? (dispersal of fumes). Jmo

And the open window in 5A...

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes, I agree that media comments by prosecution and defence are strategic. I still find it bizarre that they are conducted outside the trial. In the media. I should add the suspect to my recent post about prosecutor, defence and witnesses courting the media.

Anyway, regarding the distinguishing mark. HazelB comes across in her interviews as an observant person. She noted the degree of planning, and the high level of forensic cleanliness of her attacker. From the getgo she said IIRC that she was “going to figure him out.”

She noted the rapist’s eye colour and blonde eyebrows, she sussed his Germanic accent. She described the torture weapons.

Re the eyes, this is my own opinion. Piercing blue eyes, electric blue eyes always stand out for me, whether it’s someone in person or on screen. Partly because they’re not as common as blue-grey or brown eyes. They are distinct and they jump out at you. Same as Titian hair. My thoughts.

HazelB said the rapist had piercing blue eyes and I still think only a moment would be needed to clock that. Whereas a mark - is that beneath the leotard? Is it a tattoo? What is the tattoo of? Maybe it’s a birthmark or a scar? Etc. Processing required, imo, whereas colour recognition is pretty instant.

I have no doubt it’ll be raised in court, if and when it gets there.

By the by, and nothing to do with HazelB, but I have often wondered if CB has a slight squint. He certainly has what could be described as a piercing state imo.

The media trial bizarre, very cagey and strategic IMO. Both sides are trying to pressure the other.

Several questions with this:

Was the room lit or was it dark?
Was HB masked (swimming goggles) or not?
Did she see her attacker close up?
Had she been drinking? (Please, Im not victim blaming just alcohol affects perception)

All can bring into question eye colour during the trial.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Some facts:
- DM reports her brutal rape, with torture elements, occurring in PdL
- Years later a video is reported to have been viewed depicting apparently non-consensual sex incorporating many if the same elements as the DM rape, the perpetrator id’ed as CB
- A hair found in the victim’s bed is a DNA match to CB
- At trial the defence put up a claim that the hair was transferred to the bed by the victim’s cat, CB clearly putting himself in close vicinity to the victim’s home.
- his defence is rejected and he is found guilty of rape
- because CB is also linked to the famous disappearance of MM, this rape case gains far more public interest thst it otherwise would have
- as a result there are some people (thoses convinced that Madeleine was not abducted by a stranger) who seek to show that CB has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice and that the elderly rape victim (who died shortly after CB’s guilty verdict was reached) actually took part in consensual rough sex which she then falsely reported as rape (though was unable to id her attacker).

My opinion:
This is both illogical and a classic case of victim blaming. Is it any wonder so few rapes ever make it to court when victims know they stand a good chance of being accused of making up their ordeal?

 

[G-Unit]

Why would she report a rape in such a circumstance but in the next breath be unwilling to name her attacker or offer any clues as to his identity?

Because it didn't happen.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Because it didn't happen.

What didn’t happen? The sex? You’ve just suggested that she may have entered into a consensual sexual relationship with CB. Are you now suggesting that she made up the sex too?

 

[G-Unit]

Some facts:
- DM reports her brutal rape, with torture elements, occurring in PdL
- Years later a video is reported to have been viewed depicting apparently non-consensual sex incorporating many if the same elements as the DM rape, the perpetrator id’ed as CB
- A hair found in the victim’s bed is a DNA match to CB
- At trial the defence put up a claim that the hair was transferred to the bed by the victim’s cat, CB clearly putting himself in close vicinity to the victim’s home.
- his defence is rejected and he is found guilty of rape
- because CB is also linked to the famous disappearance of MM, this rape case gains far more public interest thst it otherwise would have
- as a result there are some people (thoses convinced that Madeleine was not abducted by a stranger) who seek to show that CB has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice and that the elderly rape victim (who died shortly after CB’s guilty verdict was reached) actually took part in consensual rough sex which she then falsely reported as rape (though was unable to id her attacker).

My opinion:
This is both illogical and a classic case of victim blaming. Is it any wonder so few rapes ever make it to court when victims know they stand a good chance of being accused of making up their ordeal?

You need to accept the fact that women don't always tell the truth.

 

[frank-cole]

Worth a try if that's all you've got.

Worth a try if that's all you've got.

Can’t be easy defending CB. Years of practicing law & the best the experienced lawyers could get out of him was a devious over friendly neighbourhood cat population. He has a terrible record against the German legal system. 17 convictions to date. I just wish the time served was far longer.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

And the open window in 5A...

It’s only mentioned as a theory in the Express article and it would mean that the abduction was planned and intentional. This is in contrast with HB’s statement in Bild, where he suggests that CB’s intention was to burgle the apartment and abducted MM opportunistically.

What I find interesting in the reports is that HB and MS didn’t try to return any of the stolen goods to their owners - particularly passports. Instead, they took a video camera, a gun and a lock picking set. Those arguing the decency of HB and MS may want to reconsider.

 

[frank-cole]

Some facts:
- DM reports her brutal rape, with torture elements, occurring in PdL
- Years later a video is reported to have been viewed depicting apparently non-consensual sex incorporating many if the same elements as the DM rape, the perpetrator id’ed as CB
- A hair found in the victim’s bed is a DNA match to CB
- At trial the defence put up a claim that the hair was transferred to the bed by the victim’s cat, CB clearly putting himself in close vicinity to the victim’s home.
- his defence is rejected and he is found guilty of rape
- because CB is also linked to the famous disappearance of MM, this rape case gains far more public interest thst it otherwise would have
- as a result there are some people (thoses convinced that Madeleine was not abducted by a stranger) who seek to show that CB has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice and that the elderly rape victim (who died shortly after CB’s guilty verdict was reached) actually took part in consensual rough sex which she then falsely reported as rape (though was unable to id her attacker).

My opinion:
This is both illogical and a classic case of victim blaming. Is it any wonder so few rapes ever make it to court when victims know they stand a good chance of being accused of making up their ordeal?

So well said! Couldn’t agree more. IMO there’s a tendency to avoid the BKA’s competence or the validity of evidence regarding the other cases or previous convictions because they don’t want to run the risk of abruptly changing perspective, specifically towards the MM case.

I find it nauseating to read claims about a 14 year old child’s ‘consent’ & that the painful, brutal & traumatising assault she experienced may have been agreed upon. if CB wasn’t the sole prime suspect in the MM case I don’t think anybody would be making those suggestions about a child’s rape . I guess it’s a choice between the former or flat out dismissing his involvement based on an interpretation of open-source information whilst being cautious not to put it into any context. IMO it’s simple, they wouldn’t have charged if they didn’t have enough evidence to convince an experienced panel of judges & lay judges that the accused is guilty.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

It’s only mentioned as a theory in the Express article and it would mean that the abduction was planned and intentional. This is in contrast with HB’s statement in Bild, where he suggests that CB’s intention was to burgle the apartment and abducted MM opportunistically.

What I find interesting in the reports is that HB and MS didn’t try to return any of the stolen goods to their owners - particularly passports. Instead, they took a video camera, a gun and a lock picking set. Those arguing the decency of HB and MS may want to reconsider.

Both points seems aligned with what I've already posted.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Can’t be easy defending CB. Years of practicing law & the best the experienced lawyers could get out of him was a devious over friendly neighbourhood cat population. He has a terrible record against the German legal system. 17 convictions to date. I just wish the time served was far longer.

Bad legal advice IMO when clearly no explanation would have been better. I don’t think we’ll see the same type of explanation with any future trials if any occur.

 

[Mex]

It’s only mentioned as a theory in the Express article and it would mean that the abduction was planned and intentional. This is in contrast with HB’s statement in Bild, where he suggests that CB’s intention was to burgle the apartment and abducted MM opportunistically.

What I find interesting in the reports is that HB and MS didn’t try to return any of the stolen goods to their owners - particularly passports. Instead, they took a video camera, a gun and a lock picking set. Those arguing the decency of HB and MS may want to reconsider.

I don't think there was any argument put forth as to decency. I think it was the veracity which was the issue.

Weird that what he saw which reflects badly on CB is being questioned but what he said he did is accepted because it reflects badly on the police.

 

[Consider Dudley]

You need to accept the fact that women don't always tell the truth.

I fully accept that fact. But please explain why you think in this case the rape victim (I am calling her that because it was established in a court of law) was lying? Because if she was lying then the coincidences that helped put CB in jail are quite monumental, you must surely agree? That she described a rape which matched the description given of other rapes seen on a video (which no doubt you also dispute the existence of) that led to a suspect whose hair was actually discovered in her bed! Incredible. Even Tales of The Unexpected would baulk at such a storyline.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

So well said! Couldn’t agree more. IMO there’s a tendency to avoid the BKA’s competence or the validity of evidence regarding the other cases or previous convictions because they don’t want to run the risk of abruptly changing perspective, specifically towards the MM case.

I find it nauseating to read claims about a 14 year old child’s ‘consent’ & that the painful, brutal & traumatising assault she experienced may have been agreed upon. if CB wasn’t the sole prime suspect in the MM case I don’t think anybody would be making those suggestions about a child’s rape . I guess it’s a choice between the former or flat out dismissing his involvement based on an interpretation of open-source information whilst being cautious not to put it into any context. IMO it’s simple, they wouldn’t have charged if they didn’t have enough evidence to convince an experienced panel of judges & lay judges that the accused is guilty.

The conviction rate for rape in Germany is 83%. So one in six is acquitted. It’s not a forgone conclusion that CB will be convicted for any crime he is currently connected with - I imagine his legal team has a much better acquittal rate than the national average.

IMO, you are missing the point on the alleged rape victim. I think the age of consent was raised to question if a conviction was possible if consent had been given. Further, there is no proof that the girl was 14. Whether people can see past the gravity of the accusation to ask reason questions is the issue. Yes, every sane person vehemently objects to child abuse and rape but what I, and others, are arguing is the legitimacy of the case against CB, not the disputable nature of the crimes.

As can been seen from the length of the investigation and the issues with the charges, the prosecutors are facing problems. I think they are struggling to put a case together to charge CB and are under pressure deliver some kind of result.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

You need to accept the fact that women don't always tell the truth.

LOL try to deconstruct decontextualizing too.

 

[Lyall0814]

I fully accept that fact. But please explain why you think in this case the rape victim (I am calling her that because it was established in a court of law) was lying? Because if she was lying then the coincidences that helped put CB in jail are quite monumental, you must surely agree? That she described a rape which matched the description given of other rapes seen on a video (which no doubt you also dispute the existence of) that led to a suspect whose hair was actually discovered in her bed! Incredible. Even Tales of The Unexpected would baulk at such a storyline.

Ah they'd have loved it. The evil cat put the hair there deliberately

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Ah they'd have loved it. The evil cat put the hair there deliberately

But IMO auto-ridiculous in desperation act.

 

[Hygge]

Do we know if DM had a cat? I often read that but CB in his statement said he stroked „a cat“ so not hers, which makes the cat transfer rubbish even more unbelievable