Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #38

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  • #741
wasnt the male carrying the child supposengly one of the ppl who knew the mccanns carrying his child ?
this is so messed up .. you dont kno a single thing for truth
The first police responders to the call about the disappearance of a child were immediately told by the witness to the event, that she had seen a man carrying a child walking from the direction of the apartment from which MM was missing,

She was convinced she had witnessed the abduction.

We know from TTOTL that her evidence was disregarded.
 
  • #742
It's been posted often enough.

Mr Redwood said: “Our focus in terms of understanding what happened on the night of May 3 has now given us a shift of emphasis. We are almost certain that the man seen by Jane Tanner is not Madeleine’s abductor.

“It takes us through to a position at 10pm when we see another man who is walking towards the ocean, close by to the apartment, with a young child in his arms.

“This child is described as being about three to four years of age with blonde hair, possibly wearing pyjamas, and the man is a white man with dark hair.”


As for the window and shutters crime scene photos paint a different picture.

The information quoted was not released until 2013 and was not considered as evidence in 2007 even for elimination purposes.

That witness had a very distinctive appearance and was not recognised by JT despite her watching his tennis match with GM.

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(MM's father GM) was seen with DrJT on May 3, 2007 by witness Jane T
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Ian H, a retired Met detective who has done extensive work on the MM case believes Ms T may have seen the abductor.

'It would appear that Dr JT was known by sight to Jane T. Therefore, is it credible that she would not have recognised him?'

It certainly does verify exactly how shoddy the collecting of evidence was in 2007 and the problems caused by investigators who have already decided on a culprit and discarding evidence which doesn't fit with that preconception.
Dr JT is another witness not interviewed in 2007 and not interviewed until Operation Grange bothered to do so.

Which brings us back to the present day when evidence has been followed and used to confirm a very credible prime suspect for the first time in over sixteen years.
In which the Dr T evidence is quite obviously not that subsequently followed by investigators, whereas it is perfectly possible Jane T's might well be.
My opinion
 
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  • #743
The information quoted was not released until 2013 and was not considered as evidence in 2007 even for elimination purposes.

That witness had a very distinctive appearance and was not recognised by JT despite her watching his tennis match with GM.

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(MM's father GM) was seen with DrJT on May 3, 2007 by witness Jane T
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Ian Horrocks, a retired Met detective who has done extensive work on the MM case believes Ms Tanner may have seen the abductor.

'It would appear that Dr JT was known by sight to Jane Tanner. Therefore, is it credible that she would not have recognised him?'

It certainly does verify exactly how shoddy the collecting of evidence was in 2007 and the problems caused by investigators who have already decided on a culprit and discarding evidence which doesn't fit with that preconception.
Dr JT is another witness not interviewed in 2007 and not interviewed until Operation Grange bothered to do so.

Which brings us back to the present day when evidence has been followed and used to confirm a very credible prime suspect for the first time in over sixteen years.
In which the Dr T evidence is quite obviously not that subsequently followed by investigators, whereas it is perfectly possible Jane T's might well be.
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None of which matters any more. IMO
The German prosecutors have a suspect in their sights whom they intend to charge with offences related to MM sometime in the future.
 
  • #744
None of which matters any more. IMO
The German prosecutors have a suspect in their sights whom they intend to charge with offences related to MM sometime in the future.
Absolutely correct.
It is the here and now and the evidence which has been checked and verified over the time span and more recently which has brought us to this point of having a prime suspect.
 
  • #745
None of which matters any more. IMO
The German prosecutors have a suspect in their sights whom they intend to charge with offences related to MM sometime in the future.

It likely matters to the defence

For example, they can argue that according to PJ investigation, the witness Tanner identified RM as the man carrying away the child

Even if Tanner now says it wasn't him - it could raise doubt.
 
  • #746
It likely matters to the defence

For example, they can argue that according to PJ investigation, the witness Tanner identified RM as the man carrying away the child

Even if Tanner now says it wasn't him - it could raise doubt.
True, but only if he is charged with abduction.
 
  • #747
It likely matters to the defence

For example, they can argue that according to PJ investigation, the witness Tanner identified RM as the man carrying away the child

Even if Tanner now says it wasn't him - it could raise doubt.

The only eye witness to the possible abduction was JT who could only describe what she saw and she has never deviated from her statement.
It is an internet factoid that she identified anyone and as such will never be raised by a competent defence whether to instigate doubt or anything else.

On the other hand although JT never saw the man's face it does raise the pertinent question of the face altering operation CB apparently underwent shortly after MM was abducted.

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MM suspect CB 'had face changing op months after toddler went missing'

CB, a convicted paedophile and rapist, had his jaw reset and four 'rabbit' teeth straightened during a procedure at a private dental clinic in his native Germany ...

Now that might be pertinent evidence if raised at a trial.
My opinion
 
  • #748
It likely matters to the defence

For example, they can argue that according to PJ investigation, the witness Tanner identified RM as the man carrying away the child

Even if Tanner now says it wasn't him - it could raise doubt.
Highly unlikely scenario IMO
 
  • #749
There is definitely evidence against CB from the early days that will be very difficult to discount. Starting with analysis of the phone data and progressing from there.

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HCW said: ‘ CB's telephone number comes from our investigation, but British police have a data pool from 2007 from Praia da Luz of all mobile numbers [used in that area at the time], so we put our telephone number to the data of the British police – and it matched.

‘ So we think that our suspect was, on the day MM was kidnapped in Praia da Luz, near the apartment.’

He declined to provide details of how the BKA had found CB’s mobile number in 2007.

 
  • #750
The only eye witness to the possible abduction was JT who could only describe what she saw and she has never deviated from her statement.
It is an internet factoid that she identified anyone and as such will never be raised by a competent defence whether to instigate doubt or anything else.

On the other hand although JT never saw the man's face it does raise the pertinent question of the face altering operation CB apparently underwent shortly after MM was abducted.

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MM suspect CB 'had face changing op months after toddler went missing'

CB, a convicted paedophile and rapist, had his jaw reset and four 'rabbit' teeth straightened during a procedure at a private dental clinic in his native Germany ...

Now that might be pertinent evidence if raised at a trial.
My opinion
The Smith sighting is also a possible sighting of a an alleged abduction, OG didn't move the time line just for fun.
 
  • #751
From the Mail article .


In a letter obtained by MailOnline earlier this month, Brueckner – who has been given access to the files – accuses investigators of manipulating an image to give him more prominent teeth to resemble a sex attack suspect.
A man fitting the description was seen lurking around Maddie's hotel multiple times on the night of her disappearance, but detectives say they tracked down the suspect and ruled him out of having any connection to the case.
 
  • #752
It likely matters to the defence

For example, they can argue that according to PJ investigation, the witness Tanner identified RM as the man carrying away the child

Even if Tanner now says it wasn't him - it could raise doubt.
This is why we've surmised if the BKA go for murder then 5a is unlikely to figure, although I'm sure FF may well think otherwise.
 
  • #753
Tannerman,The likeness to CB is?

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  • #754
The Smith sighting is also a possible sighting of a an alleged abduction, OG didn't move the time line just for fun.
It is obvious that the only individual of any interest to the authorities in the MM investigation is CB. The only individual against whom there is evidence enough to make him prime suspect is CB.

Should it transpire that either Mr S or Mr T is actually CB - the authorities will have evidence of that. Should both have been eliminated from the inquiry the investigating authorities will know that too.

The thing is that no-one will know exactly what evidence is in hand regarding CB until he is charged and until then neither he nor we will know what those charges may be.

That's the problem with enquiries carried out under secrecy of justice - nobody tells anybody anything until it suits them.
My opinion
 
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  • #755
From the Mail article .


In a letter obtained by MailOnline earlier this month, Brueckner – who has been given access to the files – accuses investigators of manipulating an image to give him more prominent teeth to resemble a sex attack suspect.
A man fitting the description was seen lurking around Maddie's hotel multiple times on the night of her disappearance, but detectives say they tracked down the suspect and ruled him out of having any connection to the case.
I don't think this is relevant to the MM investigation which has not yet been concluded and for which no indictment has been made.
Therefore neither CB nor his legal team have been privy to those files.

Since the article was printed 15 May 2022 don't you think it is probable CB is referring to the five serious sexual offences against women and children he was charged with? and the files for which he was allowed to see.

Food for thought there given that these indictments are unrelated to each other or MM.
 
  • #756
This is why we've surmised if the BKA go for murder then 5a is unlikely to figure, although I'm sure FF may well think otherwise.
Maybe the alibi which so convinced MWT will be brought into play here?
 
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  • #758
I don't think this is relevant to the MM investigation which has not yet been concluded and for which no indictment has been made.
Therefore neither CB nor his legal team have been privy to those files.

Since the article was printed 15 May 2022 don't you think it is probable CB is referring to the five serious sexual offences against women and children he was charged with? and the files for which he was allowed to see.

Food for thought there given that these indictments are unrelated to each other or MM.
No indictments for any offences as of this moment .
 
  • #759
Maybe the alibi which so convinced MWT will be brought into play here?
I doubt either the prosecution or defence are interested in MWT, if he (MWT) can find an alibi for CB then no doubt FF can.
 
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  • #760
No indictments for any offences as of this moment .
I took note of that when I spoke of it in the past tense; however I'm sure most people will be hoping that all will be reinstated in the fullness of time when the jurisdiction question is resolved. The evidence against CB which allowed him to be charged with the crimes didn't vanish with that, it still exists.
 
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