Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #38

[Consider Dudley]

What date and time do you think the alibi would need to be for ? Which particular crime did you have in mind ?

If he had a cast iron alibi for the evening of the 3rd May until let’s say just gone 10pm then it’s highly unlikely he abducted Madeleine McCann and that somebody else did. That doesn’t mean he’s not involved but the investigation can rule him out of physically abducting her. That would be a start.

 

[Davieson]

If he had a cast iron alibi for the evening of the 3rd May until let’s say just gone 10pm then it’s highly unlikely he abducted Madeleine McCann and that somebody else did. That doesn’t mean he’s not involved but the investigation can rule him out of physically abducting her. That would be a start.

Of course it doesn't, but its the prosecutors task to prove he was there.

 

[Mex]

IMO there is already too much on him that would fit. And he confess himself...
Cumulative evidence may still not be sufficient, charge may not come, but IMO it's really hard to believe someone else did it.

What is certain is that if there is another perpetrator there is absolutely not one iota of evidence left behind by him or her.

Conversely there is a trail of evidence associated with CB which allowed him to become a suspect in the first instance and nothing which exonerated him since.

Isn't it usual for investigators to follow the evidence? Why would this investigative protocol appear to be different because the victim of this criminal might prove to be MM.

The evidence points to CB as the only suspect and in the absence of another suspect turning up I agree the police investigators (who have no axe to grind) are delivering the honest result of their work.

 

[Mex]

We’ve not been shown any evidence to suggest CB is guilty. Or have I missed something?

Possibly quite a lot but I think it is inconsequential. Neither you nor I will have a say in evidence against CB. That will be for the German courts to decide. But not until the jurisdiction which dictates where that will be exactly goes through.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

Yep. I've gone from thinking he was a murderer to thinking the prosecution's story resembles the emperor's new clothes.

He comes from a dishonest world and the whole case against him could be based on lies he's told, or lies told about hi m.

An interesting point in relation to this crime against MM and the insinuation that the prosecution blind to the obvious. Bit disparaging perhaps but it is MM we are discussing of course.

I remain bemused by the level of support there is for CB's innocence - notwithstanding until found guilty that is his right.

I remain content that in the context of Evidence v Internet the evidence will win hands down. But I am saddened that whoever and whatever the individual and the evidence it will never meet acceptance against bias simply because this investigation centres on MM.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Of course it doesn't, but its the prosecutors task to prove he was there.

If you read my post in its entirety I was talking specifically in the context of a scenario in which a cast iron alibi ruled him out of abduction. Presently nothing rules him out of either abduction or murder but the challenge was “what date and time would an alibi be needed for?”. The answer I gave would go quite some way in ruling him out imo.

 

[Consider Dudley]

How about someone who believes him innocent listing all the reasons why they think CB likely didn’t have anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance? Eg: did he lack means, motive and opportunity? What else persuades you of his innocence? No need to point the finger elsewhere, just concentrate on what we know about him and his movements in order to rule him out.

 

[Mex]

a) When they get a random tip-off to collect dirt in the Portuguese summer. The once-popular media personality has been rather quiet in terms of updates other than this. Doesn't indicate much is happening.
b) Oh please, if the evidence were strong enough a charge would have come before October last year.

What on earth is this total disrespect shown towards the German investigation all about? It brings nothing to the thread which is not about personalities but about MM, evidence and CB.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, obvious.
But yes, I highlight The level of support there is for CB's innocence...it's here for the records...

 

[Davieson]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, obvious.
But yes, I highlight The level of support there is for CB's innocence...it's here for the records...

I think you might be equating support of innocence with uncertainty about CB being involved.
I am in the latter camp over that.
I haven't seen anyone claim CB is innocent of whatever it is the prosecutors haven't yet formally accused him of.

 

[Mex]

What date and time do you think the alibi would need to be for ? Which particular crime did you have in mind ?

Sorry, you have not understood my post at all. It is unlike you to misinterpret a conversation.

I have no interest in faux alibis but I do have an interest in exactly where CB was on May 3. So far the evidence is that CB was in Luz and despite valiant effort by MWT and FF to the contrary there is no evidence that he was elsewhere.

It don't matter about the other two but it do raise an eyebrow that CB tried and failed.
My opinion

 

[RichardKimble]

Sorry, you have not understood my post at all. It is unlike you to misinterpret a conversation.

I have no interest in faux alibis but I do have an interest in exactly where CB was on May 3. So far the evidence is that CB was in Luz and despite valiant effort by MWT and FF to the contrary there is no evidence that he was elsewhere.

It don't matter about the other two but it do raise an eyebrow that CB tried and failed.
My opinion

What evidence is there that CB was in Luz, HCW admits anyone could have been using the number/ phone registered to CB, see the Ch5 docu posted earlier from 49 minutes in.

 

[RichardKimble]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, obvious.
But yes, I highlight The level of support there is for CB's innocence...it's here for the records...

In the eyes of the law CB is innocent, the problem with that is?

 

[RichardKimble]

Sorry, you have not understood my post at all. It is unlike you to misinterpret a conversation.

I have no interest in faux alibis but I do have an interest in exactly where CB was on May 3. So far the evidence is that CB was in Luz and despite valiant effort by MWT and FF to the contrary there is no evidence that he was elsewhere.

It don't matter about the other two but it do raise an eyebrow that CB tried and failed.
My opinion

I suspect MWT and FF have more knowledge than anonymous posters on an internet forum.

 

[Davieson]

I suspect MWT and FF have more knowledge than anonymous posters on an internet forum.

Personally I'm not so sure about MWT

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I suspect MWT and FF have more knowledge than anonymous posters on an internet forum.

MWT...judging by his program and the alibi he had tried to test, his "more knowledge" should be of great use...
FF is left alone with technicalities.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

In the eyes of the law CB is innocent, the problem with that is?

Problem?! For me, not at all, for sure.
And that's it, above all, the law. And then the eyes of the others...those who think CB has nothing to do with MM. Posted here, pages/thread back, in the forum, for the records.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

An interesting point in relation to this crime against MM and the insinuation that the prosecution blind to the obvious. Bit disparaging perhaps but it is MM we are discussing of course.

I remain bemused by the level of support there is for CB's innocence - notwithstanding until found guilty that is his right.

I remain content that in the context of Evidence v Internet the evidence will win hands down. But I am saddened that whoever and whatever the individual and the evidence it will never meet acceptance against bias simply because this investigation centres on MM.

There is a difference between supporting CB’s innocence and questioning his guilt.

As they say, talk is cheap but that’s all we have from the prosecutor. Your choice to believe it; miy choice to be sceptical.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Can CB be ruled out now in the opinion of those of you who are doubtful about his involvement and if so why?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

What on earth is this total disrespect shown towards the German investigation all about? It brings nothing to the thread which is not about personalities but about MM, evidence and CB.

IMO, the German prosecutors presented a sensationalised version of their case to the public and led us to believe a charge was imminent. They have used the media to tell a story that they have a suspect who is the correct type of offender for this crime. They have proclaimed his guilt without presenting their evidence or testing it in court. The Arade Dam search continued this strategy: designed to convince as much as investigate.

The only reason the investigators and prosecutors haven't received the wrath of the media is because of the history of the case; please compare it to the treatment of the Portuguese investigators before any of their work or theories were published - the inconsistency is remarkable.

IMO, how the case has unfolded is a failure of epic proportions. I feel as though the prosecutors have been unprofessional at best and deceitful at worst. I am critical of their work and make no apologies for it.