Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39

[Davieson]

How might one determine that a photo was post disappearance ?

 

[Mex]

I'll be more convinced when he has actually laid charges against CB for the murder of MM and had them accepted by a judge to go to trial
Until then it's just all talk.

The investigation into MM's case is still ongoing making an indictment at the moment a bit cart before the horse. Why is it so intense with you to rush the due process when work remains to be done on a case which may not be tried for years and certainly not in the immediate or near future.

 

[Consider Dudley]

How might one determine that a photo was post disappearance ?

the exif data?

 

[Davieson]

The investigation into MM's case is still ongoing making an indictment at the moment a bit cart before the horse. Why is it so intense with you to rush the due process when work remains to be done on a case which may not be tried for years and certainly not in the immediate or near future.

I have the patience of Job and am in no hurry for the case to be concluded.
However, I view it as a logical position to take that CB has no involvement until such time as evidence is brought forward to prove otherwise.

 

[Davieson]

the exif data?

A copy may not show that data.
If a camera is not set up correctly, the exif data will be inaccurate.

 

[Consider Dudley]

A copy may not show that data.
If a camera is not set up correctly, the exif data will be inaccurate.

on the otherhand it may be correct. Another way of being pretty sure it’s a post disappearance pic is if it shows Madeleine being abused or unclothed <modsnip: Unnecessary reference to parents>.

 

[Davieson]

on the otherhand it may be correct. Another way of being pretty sure it’s a post disappearance pic is if it shows Madeleine being abused or unclothed <modsnip: Unnecessary reference to parents>.

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If it doesn't, then one is no further forward.
Time and date can be set to anything so are quite unreliable.

 

[Consider Dudley]

<modsnip: Quoted post was modsnipped> If it doesn't, then one is no further forward.
Time and date can be set to anything so are quite unreliable.

Given that this hypothetical photo would have been in the possession of a known child abuser it‘s likely that any such photo would have been taken for sexual purposes, no?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Sweden was mad keen on them for a while (mostly in the bizarre story of Sture Bergwall/Thomas Quick)

Lyall, the last of the victims was 30 years ago, the first 70 years ago. I said the last 25 years to be relevant to MM and reflect modern forensics.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

what about the robert durst case ?

There is a body and forensics in the case of Susan Berman. He wasn’t charged or convicted of the 1982 disappearance of his wife.

To be the same as MM, we need a murder conviction from a case without forensics or a body that happened in the last 25 years.

Susan Berman - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Consider Dudley]

Lyall, the last of the victims was 30 years ago, the first 70 years ago. I said the last 25 years to be relevant to MM and reflect modern forensics.

Incorrect. Thomas Quick confessed to a series of murders in the 90s/2000s on the basis of his ownfalse confessions alone, there never were any bodies (despite numerous false alerts by the cadaver dog Zampo). He was released from prison in 3013

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Incorrect. Thomas Quick confessed to a series of murders in the 90s/2000s on the basis of his ownfalse confessions alone, there never were any bodies (despite numerous false alerts by the cadaver dog Zampo). He was released from prison in 3013

When did the last murder/disappearance take place?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Incorrect. Thomas Quick confessed to a series of murders in the 90s/2000s on the basis of his ownfalse confessions alone, there never were any bodies (despite numerous false alerts by the cadaver dog Zampo). He was released from prison in 3013

Respectfully, I think you’ll find the last crime was 1993. He was cleared of everything anyway and presumably no one wants the incorrect person convicted in the MM case.

ETA, this case highlights the issue of gaining a conviction based on confessions alone. It illustrates the exact problem that HCW has. That people confess to crimes they have not committed. And, securing a conviction without a body or forensics can lead to a severe miscarriage of justice.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

...It illustrates the exact problem that HCW has. That people confess to crimes they have not committed.
It seems a strong conviction that assumes there was a confession, but CB just joked. A conviction in opposition to BKA's own conviction and 2020 appeal. I have my strong opinion but we (still) don't know whether CB committed this crime or not.
Before this, fortunately, although many years after the crime, a hair helped to make justice and got him inside. Imagine the miscarriage of justice that would be.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

...It illustrates the exact problem that HCW has. That people confess to crimes they have not committed.
It seems a strong conviction that assumes there was a confession, but CB just joked. A conviction in opposition to BKA's own conviction and 2020 appeal. I have my strong opinion but we (still) don't know whether CB committed this crime or not.
Before this, fortunately, although many years after the crime, a hair helped to make justice and got him inside. Imagine the miscarriage of justice that would be.

Do I think that a person who wears a tailored jacket, carry’s a gun and drives a Jag while working in hospitality in a tourist town wants to present himself as something other than he is? Yes, that’s what I think. Do I also think that such an individual would tell lies to cultivate his reputation? Yes, I think that’s highly likely.

Also, in comparing the Thomas quick case with this one, it should be understood that his confessions were directly to the police - recorded and signed by the suspect. As far as we know, CB’s confessions were to private individuals in a one-to-one context. Essentially, it’s their word against his. CB can just say there is an issue between them and they are lying for revenge or whatever - certainly this would be easy to do with HeB.

There is no miscarriage of justice in relation to DM. A solid case with forensic evidence convicted him and he is serving time for the offence.

If the same verdict can be obtained in the MM case from strong evidence, then that’s a great result. IMO, I don’t think it can be because there is no forensic evidence and because of this CB should be considered not guilty until he is convicted.

 

[Mex]

Respectfully, I think you’ll find the last crime was 1993. He was cleared of everything anyway and presumably no one wants the incorrect person convicted in the MM case.

ETA, this case highlights the issue of gaining a conviction based on confessions alone. It illustrates the exact problem that HCW has. That people confess to crimes they have not committed. And, securing a conviction without a body or forensics can lead to a severe miscarriage of justice.

Snip
Speaking exclusively to 9News, FF said CB's silence was not a sign he has something to hide, but a fundamental right.
"The prosecutors office has to prove that a suspect has committed a crime, and not the suspect prove that he hasn't," FF said.
"Before our client starts to co-operate with the prosecutor's office, you could order holy water as a long drink in hell."

EXCLUSIVE: Lawyer says Madeleine McCann suspect will never co-operate with police

The lawyer for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner says his client will never co-operate with poli...

www.9news.com.au

I think you can rest easy that there is no fear of CB being coerced into anything. Least of all a confession.

The very professional teams of lawyers in CB's employ are not going to allow anyone away with anything as far as their client is concerned.

Concern for the suspect is fine by me.

As is the realistic approach there is to the acceptance of the very obvious difficulties there are for investigators in a case such as this.

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My opinion

 

[Mex]

Do I think that a person who wears a tailored jacket, carry’s a gun and drives a Jag while working in hospitality in a tourist town wants to present himself as something other than he is? Yes, that’s what I think. Do I also think that such an individual would tell lies to cultivate his reputation? Yes, I think that’s highly likely.

Also, in comparing the Thomas quick case with this one, it should be understood that his confessions were directly to the police - recorded and signed by the suspect. As far as we know, CB’s confessions were to private individuals in a one-to-one context. Essentially, it’s their word against his. CB can just say there is an issue between them and they are lying for revenge or whatever - certainly this would be easy to do with HeB.

There is no miscarriage of justice in relation to DM. A solid case with forensic evidence convicted him and he is serving time for the offence.

If the same verdict can be obtained in the MM case from strong evidence, then that’s a great result. IMO, I don’t think it can be because there is no forensic evidence and because of this CB should be considered not guilty until he is convicted.

There would have been no justice for DM had it not been for the BKA and prosecutors checking out HB's evidence of the missing video recording of her rape. Which corroborated in detail the graphic evidence statement given by her to the Policia Judiciaria. Which in turn corroborated her evidence.

Solid forensic evidence is no good without a match. The PJ did not have that in 2005 and had to drop the case for lack of evidence.

HB gave the BKA their match when he gave them CB's name which in effect allowed the pieces to fall into place and secure a conviction.

Is that not an example of the much undervalued "circumstantial evidence"?
Witness#1 makes a statement. Investigators match the statement with a case on file enabling them to find witness#2 and the events are corroborated by Winess#2 which are in turn corroborated by police files recording her original witness statement

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Do I think that a person who wears a tailored jacket, carry’s a gun and drives a Jag while working in hospitality in a tourist town wants to present himself as something other than he is? Yes, that’s what I think. Do I also think that such an individual would tell lies to cultivate his reputation? Yes, I think that’s highly likely.

Also, in comparing the Thomas quick case with this one, it should be understood that his confessions were directly to the police - recorded and signed by the suspect. As far as we know, CB’s confessions were to private individuals in a one-to-one context. Essentially, it’s their word against his. CB can just say there is an issue between them and they are lying for revenge or whatever - certainly this would be easy to do with HeB.

There is no miscarriage of justice in relation to DM. A solid case with forensic evidence convicted him and he is serving time for the offence.

If the same verdict can be obtained in the MM case from strong evidence, then that’s a great result. IMO, I don’t think it can be because there is no forensic evidence and because of this CB should be considered not guilty until he is convicted.

I really don't want to repeat myself, all is already spread across the forum. And, in fact, there are no more crucial news on the topic.
IMO there may be relevance "between the lines" to leave no option than CB: HCW's words, CB's mocking cartoons and strange/naif letters even beyond the basic of his braggings/confessions, his phone in the area that night, his knowledge, lifestyle and past in the area, OC, his profile, other crimes, chats (do we really know all messages?), three police forces in Arade last May, etc...
At this stage, IMO it's hardly logical to think that CB has really nothing to do with MM. I also believe BKA should have more than "announced". If charges come or not it's another thing. And in relation to that I've also shared my thoughts previously.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Snip
Speaking exclusively to 9News, FF said CB's silence was not a sign he has something to hide, but a fundamental right.
"The prosecutors office has to prove that a suspect has committed a crime, and not the suspect prove that he hasn't," FF said.
"Before our client starts to co-operate with the prosecutor's office, you could order holy water as a long drink in hell."

EXCLUSIVE: Lawyer says Madeleine McCann suspect will never co-operate with police

The lawyer for Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner says his client will never co-operate with poli...

www.9news.com.au

I think you can rest easy that there is no fear of CB being coerced into anything. Least of all a confession.

The very professional teams of lawyers in CB's employ are not going to allow anyone away with anything as far as their client is concerned.

Concern for the suspect is fine by me.

As is the realistic approach there is to the acceptance of the very obvious difficulties there are for investigators in a case such as this.

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My opinion

You have misunderstood the point I am making.

CB has already allegedly confessed to the crime to witnesses. My point is, that without support from forensics, these statements are easy to defend. This is likely why the MM case has not progressed since the appeal. IMO, it will not progress unless there is more than hearsay evidence.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I really don't want to repeat myself, all is already spread across the forum. And, in fact, there are no more crucial news on the topic.
IMO there may be relevance "between the lines" to leave no option than CB: HCW's words, CB's mocking cartoons and strange/naif letters even beyond the basic of his braggings/confessions, his phone in the area that night, his knowledge, lifestyle and past in the area, OC, his profile, other crimes, chats (do we really know all messages?), three police forces in Arade last May, etc...
At this stage, IMO it's hardly logical to think that CB has really nothing to do with MM. I also believe BKA should have more than "announced". If charges come or not it's another thing. And in relation to that I've also shared my thoughts previously.

It is only logical to think CB had something to do with MM if there is evidence to prove he did. At this stage, there is no evidence, available to the public, that provides any such proof. Therefore, any conclusion that CB is responsible for MM’s disappearance is based on beliefs or guesswork - this is not logical.