Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39

[Consider Dudley]

Despite his loose lips and frequent unnecessary opinions, not even HCW has made claims similar to those made in the prior post from @Consider Dudley.

It’s such a flagrant distortion of that truth that the post should be taken down - pure fantasy.

I object to that assessment. Have we not been told by HCW that in the opinion of the investigation that CB (a proven child abuser) is responsible for Madeleine’s death? Have we not been told the contents of a dark web chat in which it was revealed that CB claimed an interest in taking something small to hide and play with for days? Has HCW not told us that they have further evidence that would convince us that CB is responsible for Madeleine’s death? Can you please tell me in what way I have “flagrantly distorted” the truth?

 

[SuperdadV8]

If the info from the Olive Press' article, a charge in the MM case could follow soon after the other charges turns out to be true, there could have been a major breakthrough from the arade-operation imo.

I remember HCW being quoted, that if they found nothing relevant, they would release that info very soon after the assessment. But if they would do, it would be more difficult to release anything.

In the end, i never read about an info, that the arade-operation brought nothing to light that could be relevant.....

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I object to that assessment. Have we not been told by HCW that in the opinion of the investigation that CB (a proven child abuser) is responsible for Madeleine’s death? Have we not been told the contents of a dark web chat in which it was revealed that CB claimed an interest in taking something small to hide and play with for days? Has HCW not told us that they have further evidence that would convince us that CB is responsible for Madeleine’s death? Can you please tell me in what way I have “flagrantly distorted” the truth?

Provide a source for the below quote please:

The investigators into Madeleine’s disappearance have substantial evidence that she was taken to be the ”play thing” of their main and only suspect.

 

[Davieson]

But none of that happened in the MM case - she disappeared without a trace.

Any suggestion that there was a sexual motive for the crime against MM is unsubstantiated.

I would like to know where this idea came from, other than perhaps Team McCann.
There seems to be a line of thought that because CB is a child abuser, then he fits the bill as responsible for MM's disappearance.
What happened to the idea that MM was taken for/ by a childless couple ? I recall that being quite popular at one time and in the absence of a body remains a possibility.

 

[Niner]

It has been a long time coming but it looks as if MM’s case will finally have its day in court.

CB and his legal teams will be tied up in other serious, sexually motivated court cases which are expected to start in February 2024 and are scheduled to run for over a month.

After that according to police sources the MM trial will follow ‘soon afterwards’. “It’s good news (finally) and we are working on the exact dates now,” a senior detective at the BKA, in Wiesbaden, revealed.

EXCLUSIVE: Trial date for Madeleine McCann suspect is finally set: Christian Brueckner, 46, faces lengthy jail term for 'violent sexual attacks on women and children' - Olive Press News Spain

MADELEINE McCann suspect Christian Brueckner will finally face a number of his alleged victims in court in February. The Olive Press can reveal a

www.theolivepress.es

Just an FYI - the 5 other charges are here in this link:

Germany/Portgual - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal.

Has this been posted? https://oberlandesgericht-braunschweig.niedersachsen.de/startseite/aktuelles/presseinformationen/landgericht-braunschweig-ortlich-zustandig-225563.html

www.websleuths.com

 

[onemoremiletogo]

IMO it is less reasonable to try to create a parallel reality discrediting years of investigation on CB. BKA is saying CB is the murderer of MM and they have material evidence. BKA will not provide evidence for entertainment or upon request. They will only release it for use at trial when they charge him, if it comes.
I don't know the german legal system but would HCW have managed to proceed with a wordwide appeal, risking reputation and career, without any previous internal scrutiny?! IMO obviously they have more than what is ruminating for years.

 

[Lilly b]

If the info from the Olive Press' article, a charge in the MM case could follow soon after the other charges turns out to be true, there could have been a major breakthrough from the arade-operation imo.

I remember HCW being quoted, that if they found nothing relevant, they would release that info very soon after the assessment. But if they would do, it would be more difficult to release anything.

In the end, i never read about an info, that the arade-operation brought nothing to light that could be relevant.....

Also in German press
I agree about the searches too

Maddie-Verdächtiger soll 3 Frauen vergewaltigt haben: Nächster Prozess gegen Brückner im März?

Steht das Datum für den Prozess gegen Christian Brückner fest? Braunschweig – Nach Angaben der spanischen Zeitung „The Olive Press“ soll die Verhandlung...

www.bild.de

 

[RichardKimble]

Also in German press
I agree about the searches too

Maddie-Verdächtiger soll 3 Frauen vergewaltigt haben: Nächster Prozess gegen Brückner im März?

Steht das Datum für den Prozess gegen Christian Brückner fest? Braunschweig – Nach Angaben der spanischen Zeitung „The Olive Press“ soll die Verhandlung...

www.bild.de

From the article to which concerns this thread.


The trial in the Maddie McCann case will begin “soon after,” claims Olive Press. Brückner's lawyer doesn't believe it: “This statement is absolute nonsense. To this day I have not seen the investigation file. It is completely absurd to assume that a trial will follow in the near future. To this day it is completely unclear whether a trial will ever take place. The public prosecutor's office will make the decision whether to charge or dismiss the case after the investigation has been completed and a hearing has been granted. We still seem to be a long way from that.”

 

[Mex]

OG had been pursuing that line long before CB came to light. Remember they worked their way some 300 paedophiles in Portugal without connecting anyone to her disappearance. Seems to me that LE have never looked at any other possible alternative.

Under normal circumstances police investigators follow the evidence. Which in MM's case led the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard acting independently of each other to start investigating home invasion and kidnap. Later on and acting on information received the BKA investigators came to the same conclusion - home invasion and kidnap.
Three national police forces have followed the evidence and three national police forces have identified the same suspect based on the evidence they have.

The fact CB is a proven paedophile and rapist proves nothing in MM's case.
CB carried out those offences on other people.

The task the police have in MM's case is proving that the evidence they hold against CB is strong enough to take him to court with.

Only then will it be revealed to us exactly what crimes he will be charged with committing against MM.

I imagine that the evidence is pretty comprehensive and conclusive. But that remains to be seen when it finally reaches that stage in the process.
Denying the results of what must be the result of analysis of evidence on the unprecedented scale of this investigation given its scope is clutching at straws.
My opinion

 

[Consider Dudley]

Provide a source for the below quote please:

As my previous cite was not from a Websleuths approved source I am providing one from a (hopefully) approved newspaper.

Madeleine McCann suspect told friend he ‘wanted to grab something and abuse it for days’

The paedophile who is suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann said on a web chat that he wanted to “grab himself a little something and abuse it for days”, a German magazine has reported.Christian Brückner, 43, a serial criminal suspected of snatching the three-year-old girl from a holiday apartment

www.thetimes.co.uk

"The paedophile who is suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann said on a web chat that he wanted to “grab himself a little something and abuse it for days”, a German magazine has reported.

Christian Brückner, 43, a serial criminal suspected of snatching the three-year-old girl from a holiday apartment in Portugal in 2007, is also being investigated over the disappearance of a five-year-old German girl in 2015.

Der Spiegel reported today that Brückner fantasised in an online chatroom two years earlier about the kidnapping and sexual abuse of a child. When his anonymous friend commented that it would be dangerous, Brückner is said to have countered: “Ah, [but not] if the evidence is exterminated afterwards.”

The German word he used, vernichten, is the same word the Nazis used for the final solution.

 

[Davieson]

Under normal circumstances police investigators follow the evidence. Which in MM's case led the Policia Judiciaria and Scotland Yard acting independently of each other to start investigating home invasion and kidnap. Later on and acting on information received the BKA investigators came to the same conclusion - home invasion and kidnap.
Three national police forces have followed the evidence and three national police forces have identified the same suspect based on the evidence they have.

The fact CB is a proven paedophile and rapist proves nothing in MM's case.
CB carried out those offences on other people.

The task the police have in MM's case is proving that the evidence they hold against CB is strong enough to take him to court with.

Only then will it be revealed to us exactly what crimes he will be charged with committing against MM.

I imagine that the evidence is pretty comprehensive and conclusive. But that remains to be seen when it finally reaches that stage in the process.
Denying the results of what must be the result of analysis of evidence on the unprecedented scale of this investigation given its scope is clutching at straws.
My opinion

I'm glad we agree on something.

 

[Consider Dudley]

I would like to know where this idea came from, other than perhaps Team McCann.
There seems to be a line of thought that because CB is a child abuser, then he fits the bill as responsible for MM's disappearance.
What happened to the idea that MM was taken for/ by a childless couple ? I recall that being quite popular at one time and in the absence of a body remains a possibility.

“Team McCann” is not responsible for fact that Madeleine’s disappearance is being investigated as a crime of murder committed by a child abuser. That is the direction in which the evidence points. There is literally no evidence that Madeleine was taken by a childless couple. I don’t remember this theory ever being popular with any of the LEs or investigators involved in this case.

 

[Mex]

I'm glad we agree on something.

Absolutely.
One might be led to think that the fact that CB is a court proven recidivist criminal and sexual predator and deviant of absolutely the worst type has little bearing on MM;s case when the presumption of innocence is factored in.

Then again, maybe not.

But it certainly raises the overall consideration regarding personality. Because judges will be presiding one wonders when reference to past record of offences actually kicks in.
Snip
In homicide offences, the history and personality of the perpetrator is of considerable importance in addition to the act of committing the crime. The presentation of the accused’s past history and personality is particularly important in the context of sentencing and criminal liability. It is in such cases that issues around the accused’s criminal record will play a part.

Capital Offences: Murder, Manslaugther & Homicide in Germany

At Schlun & Elseven Attorneys our lawyers provide defence counsel in capital offences such as murder, manslaughter and other homicides.

se-legal.de

On the face of it that is an alien concept for us Brits. But as the norm in Germany an MM trial is going to raise enormous problems for CB's defence teams.

 

[Davieson]

Absolutely.
One might be led to think that the fact that CB is a court proven recidivist criminal and sexual predator and deviant of absolutely the worst type has little bearing on MM;s case when the presumption of innocence is factored in.

Then again, maybe not.

But it certainly raises the overall consideration regarding personality. Because judges will be presiding one wonders when reference to past record of offences actually kicks in.
Snip
In homicide offences, the history and personality of the perpetrator is of considerable importance in addition to the act of committing the crime. The presentation of the accused’s past history and personality is particularly important in the context of sentencing and criminal liability. It is in such cases that issues around the accused’s criminal record will play a part.

Capital Offences: Murder, Manslaugther & Homicide in Germany

At Schlun & Elseven Attorneys our lawyers provide defence counsel in capital offences such as murder, manslaughter and other homicides.

se-legal.de

On the face of it that is an alien concept for us Brits. But as the norm in Germany an MM trial is going to raise enormous problems for CB's defence teams.

I think it'll be a bit of a problem to prove her dead in the first place. IMO

 

[Anxala]

From the article to which concerns this thread.

The trial in the Maddie McCann case will begin “soon after,” claims Olive Press. Brückner's lawyer doesn't believe it: “This statement is absolute nonsense. To this day I have not seen the investigation file. It is completely absurd to assume that a trial will follow in the near future. To this day it is completely unclear whether a trial will ever take place. The public prosecutor's office will make the decision whether to charge or dismiss the case after the investigation has been completed and a hearing has been granted. We still seem to be a long way from that.”

Thanks for that. Nonsense indeed. The Olive Press is acting like HCW's propaganda machine.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Thanks for that. Nonsense indeed. The Olive Press is acting like HCW's propaganda machine.

On the contrary, from the bottom of thr OP article

“As we went to press, we failed to get any official quote from the German judiciary”.

 

[Davieson]

On the contrary, from the bottom of thr OP article

“As we went to press, we failed to get any official quote from the German judiciary”.

So not even official, just a hack's opinion of what might happen.

 

[UK Girl]

On the contrary, from the bottom of thr OP article

“As we went to press, we failed to get any official quote from the German judiciary”.

so then the article was just total speculation really

 

[SuperdadV8]

"Propaganda Machine" ???

WTF..... *rolleyes*

 

[Consider Dudley]

So not even official, just a hack's opinion of what might happen.

It would seem so, yes, unless he got the info from an unnamed source within the police as the article suggests.