The supposed sighting was earlier that night and not at 10pm and it wasn't from the apartment she supposedly saw the child taken from either.
Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39
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re. the Netflix doc. at about 22.20 mins Ep.1 there is AS saying that JT saw the man at about 915pm at the road on corner by the M's appt.
This sighting has since been proposed to be another OC guest J.Tot with his child , although is difficult to say that is definitely only explanation for this sighting of course.
This sighting has since been proposed to be another OC guest J.Tot with his child , although is difficult to say that is definitely only explanation for this sighting of course.
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I think it needs to be made clear that as yet CB has not been ruled out and remains the only suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance. Just because he has not been charged does not mean it was definitely someone else who took the child or murdered her.
Scotland Yard started off their investigation by interviewing persons of interest who
- were known burglars local to and familiar with the area
- had been in Praia da Luz when MM disappeared as proven by their phone records
CB shared a matching profile with these persons of interest down to phone activity in May 2007, but like them CB was not interviewed and cleared at that time.
CB's criminal record for sex abuse was unknown to the SY investigators. Although he had been on Portuguese police radar after MM's disappearance but there is no record he was investigated by them and given the opportunity to be eliminated from the inquiry as others fitting the profile had been however belatedly.
Police investigators from the PJ - SY - BKA considered that there was enough circumstantial evidence in 2020 to consider CB to be a person of interest.
Since then and in particular since 2022 CB is considered the only suspect in MM's disappearance.
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In what could be a breakthrough in the inquiry, detectives focused on the three men after a painstaking trawl through mobile phone records.
It is understood there was significant phone traffic between them around the time three-year-old MM vanished from the McCs’ holiday home in the Algarve in May 2007.
One theory is that the burglars raided the apartment in Praia da Luz and were panicked into snatching the little girl when she woke up and started crying.
The Yard cannot discount the possibility the men are not linked to Madeleine’s disappearance but it is vital they are “traced, interviewed and eliminated” as an important step in the inquiry.
Burglars were active in the area in the days before Madeleine was kidnapped and the small but significant increase in the number of break-ins has been a major focus in the Yard’s inquiry.
Shortly before Madeleine was snatched, an apartment was raided and another child was disturbed.
The Maddie Case Files-Phone calls clue leads to burglars becoming chief...13-01-14
Daily Express Phone calls clue leads to burglars becoming chief Maddie suspects THREE burglars have been identified by Scotland Yard as potential majo
A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since MM vanished from the safety of her bed in 2007 and probably thousands have been investigated and eliminated from the inquiry over the intervening period between then and now in 2023.
Scotland Yard started off their investigation by checking out known burglars and crossing them off the list.
So that removed that line if inquiry concerning them; and they kept on looking.
They also checked out a sexual predator who was very active in the Agarve.
Scotland Yard Searches for Local Intruder in MM Case
Scotland yard’s priority now is to establish the identity of this man, saying these offenses are very serious and no one has been charged in connection with them. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offenses are linked to MM's disappearance."
Scotland Yard Searches for Local Intruder in Madeleine McCann Case
Authorities are appealing for information on a tanned and dark haired intruder wanted in relation to the Madeleine McCann case.
It must be extraordinarily difficult for investigators conducting an inquiry to eliminate a suspect who refuses to speak to them.
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German prosecutors and London’s Scotland Yard are following up hundreds of “pieces of information” since CB was identified as a suspect, the paper says.
“Mr B is remaining silent on the allegation at this time on the advice of his defense counsel,” his attorney, FF, told the UK paper, calling it “quite common in criminal proceedings.”
“It is the duty of the state to prove that a suspect committed a crime. No accused person has to prove his innocence to the investigating authorities,” the lawyer insisted.
“Silence on an accusation never constitutes admission of the crime. After we have examined the files, we will see how to proceed,” FF told the UK Times.
Madeleine McCann suspect refusing to speak with investigators
The imprisoned rapist who is the prime suspect in the disappearance of 3-year-old British girl Madeleine McCann is refusing to cooperate with investigators, his attorney says. Christian Brückner &#…
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Perfectly right and proper and legal
But surely very time consuming in a legal system such as Germany's where it is the duty of the prosecution to investigate not only guilt but any circumstances which may exonerate the suspect.
Which doc are you watching? The 2019 (The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann) one or the 2022 (The Case against Christian B) one?
The 2019 one's central premise is flawed as it assumes an abduction, despite no evidence whatsoever to this day to back up that claim. For that reason alone, I don't personally believe it has any merit. JMO.
If you're starting from scratch, the PJ files are and remain the only really reliable source of info here as regards the evening MM disappeared. They provide chapter and verse of everything that happened at the time, in the actual words of all the key people involved. No spin, no angle, just the facts.
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The Smith sighting at 10 pm carrying a child fitting a description close to that of Madeleine, rarely gets a mention though.24 minutes in.
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Oh I agree with you
I'm missing the significance of the Smith/McCluskey/Tanner discussion in relation to CB.
Is it suggested CB was one or all? Only the McCluskey sighting was eliminated. The Smith one was not reported to the PJ for a fortnight.
Is it suggested that CB was the carrier?
Is it suggested CB was one or all? Only the McCluskey sighting was eliminated. The Smith one was not reported to the PJ for a fortnight.
Is it suggested that CB was the carrier?
Not finding exonerating circumstances does not demonstrate guilt.A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since MM vanished from the safety of her bed in 2007 and probably thousands have been investigated and eliminated from the inquiry over the intervening period between then and now in 2023.
Scotland Yard started off their investigation by checking out known burglars and crossing them off the list.
So that removed that line if inquiry concerning them; and they kept on looking.
They also checked out a sexual predator who was very active in the Agarve.
Scotland Yard Searches for Local Intruder in MM Case
Scotland yard’s priority now is to establish the identity of this man, saying these offenses are very serious and no one has been charged in connection with them. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offenses are linked to MM's disappearance."
Scotland Yard Searches for Local Intruder in Madeleine McCann Case
Authorities are appealing for information on a tanned and dark haired intruder wanted in relation to the Madeleine McCann case.abcnews.go.com
It must be extraordinarily difficult for investigators conducting an inquiry to eliminate a suspect who refuses to speak to them.
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German prosecutors and London’s Scotland Yard are following up hundreds of “pieces of information” since CB was identified as a suspect, the paper says.
“Mr B is remaining silent on the allegation at this time on the advice of his defense counsel,” his attorney, FF, told the UK paper, calling it “quite common in criminal proceedings.”
“It is the duty of the state to prove that a suspect committed a crime. No accused person has to prove his innocence to the investigating authorities,” the lawyer insisted.
“Silence on an accusation never constitutes admission of the crime. After we have examined the files, we will see how to proceed,” FF told the UK Times.
Madeleine McCann suspect refusing to speak with investigators
The imprisoned rapist who is the prime suspect in the disappearance of 3-year-old British girl Madeleine McCann is refusing to cooperate with investigators, his attorney says. Christian Brückner &#…
Perfectly right and proper and legal
But surely very time consuming in a legal system such as Germany's where it is the duty of the prosecution to investigate not only guilt but any circumstances which may exonerate the suspect.
Until prosecutors lay charges as regards MM, nothing can move forward, therefore there is no need for CB to say anything. As FF says, when he has the files, he will know what CB is being charged with and can respond accordingly.
Until then it is stalemate.
That goes back to the inception of Operation Grange.Investigators have never moved away from this premise despite finding no evidence to support it.
My opinion.
Quite; the prosecutors will move in their own good time but I don't know about calling it "stalemate" till then. Considering that MM's case started seventeen years ago and is still active.
So while there are still facts to be investigated and we know this to be the case it is still an active investigation.
The burglars interviewed as persons of interest by Scotland Yard were exonerated of any blame in MM’s disappearance after taking part in the interviewing process. That circumvented any requirement for charges to be laid against them jointly or severally since they had been investigated and no evidence was found against them.
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Public prosecution offices are bound to maintain objectivity and required by law to fully investigate the offence in question, ascertaining all the incriminating and exonerating circumstances (Section 160 Paragraph 2 StPO). Like the judge in the main proceedings, it is thus obliged to thoroughly investigate the facts of the case.
Microsoft Word - Germany.doc (unodc.org)
CB was not exonerated when the DM rape was investigated, he was therefore indicted and subsequently found guilty at trial in 2019.
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There is indeed a terrific amount of misinformation floating around about the MM case. Much of which is due to the initial botched police investigation where the collection of forensic evidence became a masterclass in "how not to".
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Portuguese detectives were unable to provide evidence that would allow the "formulation of any lucid, sensible, serious and honest conclusion" about the circumstances of the child going missing, the report said.
It continued: "This includes the most dramatic thing — ascertaining whether she is still alive or dead, which seems the most probable.
"The investigators are fully conscious their work is not exempt from imperfections. They worked with an enormous margin of error and achieved very little in terms of conclusive results, especially about the fate of the unfortunate child.
"This is not, unfortunately, a detective novel, a crime scenario fit for the investigative efforts of a Sherlock Holmes or Hercule Poirot, guided by the illusion that the forces of law and justice can always re-establish order."
Portuguese police did not release e-fits of suspects in Madeleine McCann case
Two computer images created just three days after the girl vanished were not made public, files released today reveal
Perhaps the most damning criticism of the botched investigation is the fact that known burglar and sexual predator CB was allowed to hide in plain sight from May 3 until his existence became apparent to German investigators.
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Carlos Farinha insisted the German's name was one of those passed on to British police in case files in 2012 - and said Scotland Yard had never asked the PJ to take a closer look at him.
Responding to reports CB only became a serious suspect a decade after MM's May 3 2007 disappearance following a bar admission to a drinking pal, Mr Farinha said:
'If the suspicions about this man were so obvious, he would have been the subject of requests made by the British, which were always authorised by Portugal, but those requests about him were never made.
He added in his interview with Lusa: 'If the PJ is being accused of giving CB a lack of priority, the same could be said of the Metropolitan Police.
'In theory everything could have been different but in 2007 and in 2012 we didn't know what we knew in 2017.'
He also described this week's fresh appeal as an initiative of the German police, who were 'convinced it could lead to additional information coming in from the Germany community.'
But appearing to hint that the evidence the three police forces have at the moment may not be enough to bring charges and a successful prosecution, he was quoted as saying:
'Suspicions about the German national have grown but unfortunately they are not enough to make him an arguido and formally accuse him.'
Christian Brueckner is INNOCENT, says senior Portuguese police chief
An unnamed senior Portuguese police chief said there is 'no evidence' Christian Brueckner, who German police believe killed Madeleine McCann, was involved in the girl's disappearance.
CB has now been constituted an evidence based formal suspect in MM's disappearance by the Portuguese.
Is this of any significance? They've had suspects before as have OGThere is indeed a terrific amount of misinformation floating around about the MM case. Much of which is due to the initial botched police investigation where the collection of forensic evidence became a masterclass in "how not to".
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Portuguese detectives were unable to provide evidence that would allow the "formulation of any lucid, sensible, serious and honest conclusion" about the circumstances of the child going missing, the report said.
It continued: "This includes the most dramatic thing — ascertaining whether she is still alive or dead, which seems the most probable.
"The investigators are fully conscious their work is not exempt from imperfections. They worked with an enormous margin of error and achieved very little in terms of conclusive results, especially about the fate of the unfortunate child.
"This is not, unfortunately, a detective novel, a crime scenario fit for the investigative efforts of a Sherlock Holmes or Hercule Poirot, guided by the illusion that the forces of law and justice can always re-establish order."
Portuguese police did not release e-fits of suspects in Madeleine McCann case
Two computer images created just three days after the girl vanished were not made public, files released today revealwww.theguardian.com
Perhaps the most damning criticism of the botched investigation is the fact that known burglar and sexual predator CB was allowed to hide in plain sight from May 3 until his existence became apparent to German investigators.
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Carlos Farinha insisted the German's name was one of those passed on to British police in case files in 2012 - and said Scotland Yard had never asked the PJ to take a closer look at him.
Responding to reports CB only became a serious suspect a decade after MM's May 3 2007 disappearance following a bar admission to a drinking pal, Mr Farinha said:
'If the suspicions about this man were so obvious, he would have been the subject of requests made by the British, which were always authorised by Portugal, but those requests about him were never made.
He added in his interview with Lusa: 'If the PJ is being accused of giving CB a lack of priority, the same could be said of the Metropolitan Police.
'In theory everything could have been different but in 2007 and in 2012 we didn't know what we knew in 2017.'
He also described this week's fresh appeal as an initiative of the German police, who were 'convinced it could lead to additional information coming in from the Germany community.'
But appearing to hint that the evidence the three police forces have at the moment may not be enough to bring charges and a successful prosecution, he was quoted as saying:
'Suspicions about the German national have grown but unfortunately they are not enough to make him an arguido and formally accuse him.'
Christian Brueckner is INNOCENT, says senior Portuguese police chief
An unnamed senior Portuguese police chief said there is 'no evidence' Christian Brueckner, who German police believe killed Madeleine McCann, was involved in the girl's disappearance.www.dailymail.co.uk
CB has now been constituted an evidence based formal suspect in MM's disappearance by the Portuguese.
Agreed we have no option but to wait and see because nothing is writ in tablets of stone until all the evidence is in and collated.
My point is that investigators have not pulled CB's name out of a hat and decided he's the one! They find evidence to justify suspicions and if there is no evidence it is 'end of'.
There is a process of elimination which has taken place for others. CB is still being investigated regarding MM's case and is the only suspect for the three police forces still investigating him.
I think it is or I wouldn't have bothered to post it; but ultimately it is not my decision to make
The point I have made is that the evidence used in lay and to an extent professional MM discussion has always been incomplete because CB's name was a significant omission from the equation.
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None at all, all the cut and paste in the world doesn't alter the fact for CB to have killed Madeleine, their paths have had to cross,not last week, not last month, not last year but 2007, the thorny issue of removal from 5a cannot be glossed over imo.It was reported FF had been to Luz and examined the scene and timeline.The original appeal on page one of the very first thread talks of trying to determine the movements of CB between 9 pm and 10 pm on the night of 3/05/2007, it obviously matters.
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