Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39

[Davieson]

None at all, all the cut and paste in the world doesn't alter the fact for CB to have killed Madeleine, their paths have had to cross,not last week, not last month, not last year but 2007, the thorny issue of removal from 5a cannot be glossed over imo.It was reported FF had been to Luz and examined the scene and timeline.The original appeal on page one of the very first thread talks of trying to determine the movements of CB between 9 pm and 10 pm on the night of 3/05/2007, it obviously matters.

I entirely agree with this, though I know others don't.
In order to come onto contact with MM, he had to have taken her, or been given her. If the latter, then someone else was involved and that person should not go unpunished.
HCW said they were not looking for anyone else, so he must believe that CB actually took her from 5A before killing her at some later time and place, as yet unspecified.
All he has to do is actually present evidence to prove that.
I don't think he can.
IMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I entirely agree with this, though I know others don't.
In order to come onto contact with MM, he had to have taken her, or been given her. If the latter, then someone else was involved and that person should not go unpunished.
HCW said they were not looking for anyone else, so he must believe that CB actually took her from 5A before killing her at some later time and place, as yet unspecified.
All he has to do is actually present evidence to prove that.
I don't think he can.
IMO

As he charged five other cases last October, we can presume the MM case wasn’t strong enough then. I don’t see what has changed and shiny tale of building a book of evidence has lost its gloss over the last two years.

I agree with you, if the case was as strong as he stated two years ago, surely he would have charged him by now.

 

[Mex]

None at all, all the cut and paste in the world doesn't alter the fact for CB to have killed Madeleine, their paths have had to cross,not last week, not last month, not last year but 2007, the thorny issue of removal from 5a cannot be glossed over imo.It was reported FF had been to Luz and examined the scene and timeline.The original appeal on page one of the very first thread talks of trying to determine the movements of CB between 9 pm and 10 pm on the night of 3/05/2007, it obviously matters.

You have succinctly summed up the problems faced by the investigating teams over the years. All of whom have been searching for the missing piece of the puzzle in the knowledge it must be out there.

Indeed DE who worked on the case said
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He revealed that a public appeal to someone who may have been confided in would be the best way to find the little girl, who would now be 14-years-old.

He said: "They can't keep it to themselves and research has shown they always confide in someone else.

"I think that someone else apart from the perpetrator knows and that is one of the best hopes of getting to the truth, that someone comes forward and says what they know."

It is also thought that K and G McC will give a TV interview to mark the ten-year anniversary of MM's disappearance.

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And right on cue information received resulted in a fresh impetus for those investigating MM's case.

One could say another piece of the jigsaw was slotted into place in 2017.

 

[Davieson]

You have succinctly summed up the problems faced by the investigating teams over the years. All of whom have been searching for the missing piece of the puzzle in the knowledge it must be out there.

Indeed DE who worked on the case said
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He revealed that a public appeal to someone who may have been confided in would be the best way to find the little girl, who would now be 14-years-old.

He said: "They can't keep it to themselves and research has shown they always confide in someone else.

"I think that someone else apart from the perpetrator knows and that is one of the best hopes of getting to the truth, that someone comes forward and says what they know."

It is also thought that K and G McC will give a TV interview to mark the ten-year anniversary of MM's disappearance.

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And right on cue information received resulted in a fresh impetus for those investigating MM's case.

One could say another piece of the jigsaw was slotted into place in 2017.

Or hammered into place in an attempt to make it fit.

Putting a wrong piece into a jigsaw often prevents further pieces from fitting

 

[RichardKimble]

You have succinctly summed up the problems faced by the investigating teams over the years. All of whom have been searching for the missing piece of the puzzle in the knowledge it must be out there.

Indeed DE who worked on the case said
Snip
He revealed that a public appeal to someone who may have been confided in would be the best way to find the little girl, who would now be 14-years-old.

He said: "They can't keep it to themselves and research has shown they always confide in someone else.

"I think that someone else apart from the perpetrator knows and that is one of the best hopes of getting to the truth, that someone comes forward and says what they know."

It is also thought that K and G McC will give a TV interview to mark the ten-year anniversary of MM's disappearance.

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And right on cue information received resulted in a fresh impetus for those investigating MM's case.

One could say another piece of the jigsaw was slotted into place in 2017.

That post addressed none of what I raised so why quote my post ?

 

[Mex]

Or hammered into place in an attempt to make it fit.

Putting a wrong piece into a jigsaw often prevents further pieces from fitting

The identification in 2017 of CB as MM's alleged assailant was by no means the last piece of the jigsaw to be slotted into place. That was only the very beginning of the end of NN's case. The real investigation had to be undertaken. We have all seen the forensic excavations of CB's properties which uncovered proof positive of his unhealthy sexual predilections. The latest being the searches which took place in Portugal.
This is a long and complex investigation into CB, a serial offender who has obviously kept one step ahead of investigators on many occasions covering many years. There is a lot of catch up required by investigators who seem to be making headway in MM's case.

Many thought that could never happen. I think the last piece of the puzzle is set to be slotted into place. Not without effort because the work put into MM's case by many investigators over many years is worthy of recognition.

My opinion

 

[Davieson]

The identification in 2017 of CB as MM's alleged assailant was by no means the last piece of the jigsaw to be slotted into place. That was only the very beginning of the end of NN's case. The real investigation had to be undertaken. We have all seen the forensic excavations of CB's properties which uncovered proof positive of his unhealthy sexual predilections. The latest being the searches which took place in Portugal.
This is a long and complex investigation into CB, a serial offender who has obviously kept one step ahead of investigators on many occasions covering many years. There is a lot of catch up required by investigators who seem to be making headway in MM's case.

Many thought that could never happen. I think the last piece of the puzzle is set to be slotted into place. Not without effort because the work put into MM's case by many investigators over many years is worthy of recognition.

My opinion

I believe it has been said that nothing found could be linked to MM
As such it is irrelevant to her case.
Every one knows that CB is a criminal with nasty habits. That is not in dispute.
As far as I know, none of it links him to MM.
Investigations can be carried out until the cows come home, but won't necessarily link CB and MM in any meaningful way.

IMO

 

[Mex]

That post addressed none of what I raised so why quote my post ?

I regret you are unhappy with my response to your post. I thought I was agreeing with you regarding the difficulties encountered which you pointed out.

MM's is a very complex case which is well under way to resolution without recourse to revisit the errors of the past already taken account of by many investigators and investigations. No-one had heard of CB in 2007.

That changes everything - past and present.

My opinion

 

[Woodburnbay]

I think it needs to be made clear that as yet CB has not been ruled out and remains the only suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance. Just because he has not been charged does not mean it was definitely someone else who took the child or murdered her.

Then lets get him charged. Im sure if this was you and your reputation was being dangled around you would say:
"Charge me or I will issue proceedings against you for defamation of character"

 

[Woodburnbay]

A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since MM vanished from the safety of her bed in 2007 and probably thousands have been investigated and eliminated from the inquiry over the intervening period between then and now in 2023.

Scotland Yard started off their investigation by checking out known burglars and crossing them off the list.
So that removed that line if inquiry concerning them; and they kept on looking.

They also checked out a sexual predator who was very active in the Agarve.

Scotland Yard Searches for Local Intruder in MM Case​

Scotland yard’s priority now is to establish the identity of this man, saying these offenses are very serious and no one has been charged in connection with them. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offenses are linked to MM's disappearance."

Scotland Yard Searches for Local Intruder in Madeleine McCann Case

Authorities are appealing for information on a tanned and dark haired intruder wanted in relation to the Madeleine McCann case.

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It must be extraordinarily difficult for investigators conducting an inquiry to eliminate a suspect who refuses to speak to them.

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German prosecutors and London’s Scotland Yard are following up hundreds of “pieces of information” since CB was identified as a suspect, the paper says.

“Mr B is remaining silent on the allegation at this time on the advice of his defense counsel,” his attorney, FF, told the UK paper, calling it “quite common in criminal proceedings.”
“It is the duty of the state to prove that a suspect committed a crime. No accused person has to prove his innocence to the investigating authorities,” the lawyer insisted.

“Silence on an accusation never constitutes admission of the crime. After we have examined the files, we will see how to proceed,” FF told the UK Times.

Madeleine McCann suspect refusing to speak with investigators

The imprisoned rapist who is the prime suspect in the disappearance of 3-year-old British girl Madeleine McCann is refusing to cooperate with investigators, his attorney says. Christian Brückner &#…

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Perfectly right and proper and legal
But surely very time consuming in a legal system such as Germany's where it is the duty of the prosecution to investigate not only guilt but any circumstances which may exonerate the suspect.

So what you are saying is that unless he coughs then they can't pin it on him-In other words, they don't have evidence that if put before a jury or court would be sufficient enough to pass the test or gain a conviction.

Simply put, they are hanging him as a fish but letting others off the hook.

 

[RichardKimble]

I regret you are unhappy with my response to your post. I thought I was agreeing with you regarding the difficulties encountered which you pointed out.

MM's is a very complex case which is well under way to resolution without recourse to revisit the errors of the past already taken account of by many investigators and investigations. No-one had heard of CB in 2007.

That changes everything - past and present.

My opinion

The wider public hadn't heard of CB, his alleged friends certainly did but waited 10 yrs to grow a conscience, allegedly.

 

[RichardKimble]

Talking of puzzles, to paraphrase Churchill the following falls into a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.It still remains thus today.I wonder how CB fits into the below.

Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whethDespiteer the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

P.J. POLICE FILES: LEGAL SUMMARY

 

[Mex]

I believe it has been said that nothing found could be linked to MM
As such it is irrelevant to her case.
Every one knows that CB is a criminal with nasty habits. That is not in dispute.
As far as I know, none of it links him to MM.
Investigations can be carried out until the cows come home, but won't necessarily link CB and MM in any meaningful way.

IMO

With respect - none of us knows any of the evidence which has been gathered over the years and in particular that with relation to CB.

Quite rightly the BKA are playing their cards very close to the chest about all of that.

We will only find out what he is accused of if or when an inictment is handed down,

My opinion

 

[Mex]

So what you are saying is that unless he coughs then they can't pin it on him-In other words, they don't have evidence that if put before a jury or court would be sufficient enough to pass the test or gain a conviction.

Simply put, they are hanging him as a fish but letting others off the hook.

You have misinterpreted my post entirely; but not to worry, clarification is sure to ensue as the wheels of justice grind slowly round.

My opinion

 

[Davieson]

With respect - none of us knows any of the evidence which has been gathered over the years and in particular that with relation to CB.

Quite rightly the BKA are playing their cards very close to the chest about all of that.

We will only find out what he is accused of if or when an inictment is handed down,

My opinion

You assume they actually have cards.
But you are right in that we'll all have to wait and see if any charges in respect to MM are ever forthcoming

 

[Anxala]

None at all, all the cut and paste in the world doesn't alter the fact for CB to have killed Madeleine, their paths have had to cross,not last week, not last month, not last year but 2007, the thorny issue of removal from 5a cannot be glossed over imo.It was reported FF had been to Luz and examined the scene and timeline.The original appeal on page one of the very first thread talks of trying to determine the movements of CB between 9 pm and 10 pm on the night of 3/05/2007, it obviously matters.

^ It is at the absolute epicentre of this case as far as I'm concerned. Which is why it's so important that CB is charged and the case goes to trial. Anyone who's followed this case from the off knows how crucial the 'relationship' between CB and 5A is in evidence credibility terms.

<modsnip Members have been told numerous times not to bring the McCanns into this discussion about Brueckner>

 

[Anxala]

You assume they actually have cards.
But you are right in that we'll all have to wait and see if any charges in respect to MM are ever forthcoming

Tarot cards maybe?

 

[Consider Dudley]

Then lets get him charged. Im sure if this was you and your reputation was being dangled around you would say:
"Charge me or I will issue proceedings against you for defamation of character"

What’s stopping CB instructing his lawyer to say this?

 

[Consider Dudley]

So what you are saying is that unless he coughs then they can't pin it on him-In other words, they don't have evidence that if put before a jury or court would be sufficient enough to pass the test or gain a conviction.

Simply put, they are hanging him as a fish but letting others off the hook.

What others?

 

[Davieson]

What others?

The culprits - at a guess