Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #4

[JediJim]

Too much information! I’m forgetting things!Did the suspect enter via the patio door or window? Presumably they left the same way?

 

[Ardoch]

Yes the clothing thing was weird I found it odd too but it's possible that they gave him clothing to wear? If not that means you have to consider SY are up to some strange shenanigans with that announcement.

Sorry, what do you mean by the clothing being weird?

 

[JediJim]

Why hasn’t the attempted abduction of a child before MM made more news?

 

[Kiranerys]

I can't agree with that as a blanket statement, like many things in this case there is conflicting info. The McCanns say they can't remember who called the police. Phone records show a phone call made something like 45 minutes after 10.
This statement caught my eye, one witness saying the men in the group were searching in the bushes before Kate Mccann raised the alarm from the balcony!

'He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group? David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell's food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner.
David Payne and Matthew were nervously searching the area.

The witness went to them, he does not remember which one, and asked what was happening. One of them responded to the witness in English stating 'A GIRL IS MISSING?' that a child had gone missing. After a few moments, around 5 or 10 minutes, he heard screaming from the apartment zone and saw a woman on the balcony of 5 A. He did not understand what she was saying. As it was night, and given the distance from the Tapas bar to the apartment, he was not able to determine if there was someone else next to the woman on the balcony. At that moment his colleague, Joe, met up with him and asked the witness to call the police,

I am sure I have read here or maybe elsewhere that Kate came back to the table to raise the alarm? I would tginknonce she had done that she would return to the apartment where her other two children were sleeping alone,maybe by the time she got back to the apartment the second time the realisation had hit her that Madeleine hadn't woken up and wandered out trying to find them and that's why she started screaming about abduction?, it is entirely possible that the panic didn't set in straight away and I think most parents would think that the child had woken up and wandered out in search of Mummy and Daddy rather than immediately think someone had broken in and snatched them from their bed, because honestly which one is more likely?.
This would explain the rest of the group searching before the screaming started IMO

 

[NCanning]

I'm getting v confused re the Tanner and Smith sightings, as to which sighting was by whom? I've googled and it still isn't totally clear who saw what.

I've just read this, re Smith seeing GM walking down the plane steps. The description doesn't match the way the man in the sketch was carrying the girl.
Or is the sketch (The one with the beige trousers and brown jacket) from the Tanner sighting??
"The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the way the man turns his head down and the way the child is being held against the shoulder."

 

[Kiranerys]

Yes the clothing thing was weird I found it odd too but it's possible that they gave him clothing to wear? If not that means you have to consider SY are up to some strange shenanigans with that announcement.

I have read further down that he was questioned at the time too so maybe he kept the clothing just in case I guess,although if he was spoken to at the time he would've already confirmed it was him so I dont see why that wasn't discounted straight away.
I dont think SY gave him the clothes to wear,the article says that he produced the clothes to prove it was him,which is what seemed odd to me but nothing in this case makes any sense really!.
The other issue is I think we have to accept that maybe the group aren't telling the whole truth re the frequency and timing of the checks,its easy to get distracted during conversation etc and suddenly more time has passed than you thought,I do it all the time (usually on here lol).

 

[Ardoch]

I'm getting v confused re the Tanner and Smith sightings, as to which sighting was by whom? I've googled and it still isn't totally clear who saw what.

I've just read this, re Smith seeing GM walking down the plane steps. The description doesn't match the way the man in the sketch was carrying the girl.
Or is the sketch (The one with the beige trousers and brown jacket) from the Tanner sighting??
"The father, Martin Smith, is shocked. He recognises the way the man turns his head down and the way the child is being held against the shoulder."

" One witness who reported seeing a man carrying a young girl with blonde hair on the night of the disappearance. He later told the police the man could have been Madeleine's father.

Martin Smith, 58, on holiday at the time, was interviewed by detectives in Portugal and his native Ireland but the line of inquiry was later discarded.

Four months after his initial statement Mr Smith contacted the police to say he had seen Madeleine's parents arriving back in Britain on BBC News, and the way Mr McCann carried one of the couple's twins reminded him of the man he had seen in Portugal.

When detectives replayed video footage of the couple's arrival at East Midlands airport, the witness said he was 60-80% sure that the man he passed was Gerry McCann.

But this was later dismissed by prosecutors because at the time of the reported sighting, shortly before 2200, Gerry McCann was sitting in the Ocean Club's tapas bar with other members of his party."

BBC NEWS | UK | Police files give McCanns 'hope'

 

[NCanning]

" One witness who reported seeing a man carrying a young girl with blonde hair on the night of the disappearance. He later told the police the man could have been Madeleine's father.

Martin Smith, 58, on holiday at the time, was interviewed by detectives in Portugal and his native Ireland but the line of inquiry was later discarded.

Four months after his initial statement Mr Smith contacted the police to say he had seen Madeleine's parents arriving back in Britain on BBC News, and the way Mr McCann carried one of the couple's twins reminded him of the man he had seen in Portugal.

When detectives replayed video footage of the couple's arrival at East Midlands airport, the witness said he was 60-80% sure that the man he passed was Gerry McCann.

But this was later dismissed by prosecutors because at the time of the reported sighting, shortly before 2200, Gerry McCann was sitting in the Ocean Club's tapas bar with other members of his party."

BBC NEWS | UK | Police files give McCanns 'hope'

Thanks, but I meant was the sketch of the man (beige trousers and brown jacket) carrying a child based on the Smith or Tanner sighting?

 

[Ardoch]

Thanks, but I meant was the sketch of the man (beige trousers and brown jacket) carrying a child based on the Smith or Tanner sighting?

Your welcome. Tannerman sketch

 

[Ardoch]

McCanns release sketch of man seen near apartment

 

[Owlpellet]

I looked at the info about this German racist/pedophile, and his group of lowlife friends,

Did you find something about him acting in a racist way? (Not that it would be surprising.)

 

[Bit of hope]

Hi Tim. There are a couple of threads on WS about the subject. I think by now #4 has already started. Maybe you want to visit them.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/madeleine-mccann-german-prisoner-identified-as-suspect-

 

[tedtink]

Too much information! I’m forgetting things!Did the suspect enter via the patio door or window? Presumably they left the same way?

That is a mystery - presumed window- but could well have entered through the patio and then passed MM out through the back window to someone else?

 

[Owlpellet]

I really wish someone ( man size) would have tested that in the apartment. From the photos I think the space up against the wall and jutting out bit of the built-in wardrobe looks tiny to me, there's a scale from forensics on one of the photos too but hard to see. I'm a small woman and I just tried 'hiding' behind my own door and I hardly fit without a wardrobe being there. ( felts slightly ridiculous too!) I suppose he could have hidden behind another door in the apartment but I'm not convinced. People should look up the police drawings / plan. It's a very compact apartment and apparently, GM went in there, visited the toilet, possibly watched football for a bit and then looked in on the children, as he said poking his head, into their room.

I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have headed out of the window when GM came in, at least when he heard him going into toilet. Possibly lowered the blind a bit under the noise of cistern. People who prey on the vulnerable tend not to face up to someone their own size, in my experience. But I could see him waiting to see what happened next and whether it was safe to go back in. Unless of course, he already had the gun and that gave him confidence. I think there would definitely have been room behind the door, so long as he splayed his feet a bit. But my money would be on him coming in/back in after Gerry had left. Then he could have seen him talking outside and gone out whichever entrance was best.

 

[LittleRose]

Blundering German police 'TOLD Madeleine McCann suspect he was going to be investigated' | Daily Mail Online

If true about CB being informed of the investigation in 2013, it’s a shame. He very well could have destroyed evidence.

Also, it’s interesting that he was dating/courting much older women. Maybe he wanted to be adored by many people and got more attention from older women. He may have believed older women were much less likely to leave him for another. In some ways, it sounds like he was very insecure and desperate. Or he may have believed he could have his cake and eat it too. Maybe he could get an older wealthy woman to marry him and cheat on the side as he pleased. I have a hard time believing that a pedophile was actually physically attracted to older women.

 

[Kiranerys]

https://amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-never-asked-recalls-journalist-39259373.html

You cant read the whole thing without a subscription but I googled the reporters name and his full story appears on a couple of forums.
I have never heard this story before.

 

[Owlpellet]

The way the child was positioned is exactly how my child looks when I remove her from my bed back into her own bed. Just slide both arms in, under her back and bottom, and lift. She ends up in an almost sitting position. But this is the best way, as not to disturb her. The creche man doesn't sit right with me because, for 1, if I cared for children at a creche, I would see to it that she was properly dressed for leaving so late, with a coat on and whatnot. Besides, who sends children to creche wearing pyjamas anyway? As a parent, I would have woken my child to put on her jacket, had she not already been wearing it. The Tannerman held the child in a position like she had been lifted, undisturbed from her bed! X

Except that I think the creche had "crash mats" where the children went to sleep, so it would make sense to dress them in pjs so they could be just carried to bed undisturbed. But wrapped in a blanket or at least an adult's jacket. That's the puzzling bit for me and the bit that makes me think the Smith sighting could well have been MM.

 

[Owlpellet]

Sorry, what do you mean by the clothing being weird?

I seem to remember he wore a similar jacket to the one he had that night. People tend to stick with styles of clothing. (and shops!)

 

[Owlpellet]

Why hasn’t the attempted abduction of a child before MM made more news?

Yes. Does anyone know which episode it is in? I don't remember it.

 

[JediJim]

Why was the Met allowed to set up Operation Grange and get involved in the case?... purely out of interest.