Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[Consider Dudley]

I'm not a fan of MWT but the above, combined with the PJ's own denial of an apology, rings true. It also rings true imo with regards the reality of the relationship between the PJ and the BKA, that it's not a close or collaborative one, just one that circumstances have forced a professional relationship with, with the BKA calling all the shots.

I find the BBC and the UK press that so quickly picked up this 'apology' narrative really unsettling. Who is it supposed to be benefiting? Who is it aimed at? What message is it trying to deliver? The fact it's a false one should really give disconcerting pause for thought.

Do you have a link to the PJ’s explicit apology denial?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Guess who was the first one in here, who pointed out on this strange circumstance....

Maddie suspect Christian B’s bombshell ‘MM’ text to fellow paedo is revealed

A SICK online exchange between prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case Christian B and another paedophile has been revealed. The vile messages “could be a hint” that finally leads in…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Anxala]

I know what you are saying but imo the answers to some questions the BKA may have is with any foreign tourists who were in the Algarve in May 2007 that may be able to assist who have come across CB in that time period.Personally I would have liked to have seen a follow up to the Netflix documentary aired in 2019 done straight after the June 2020 appeal as it reaches a wide European audience. Fortunately the general appeal got HB and JE to come forward, although the upcoming Netflix show is overdue , it may as it did in the case of MT help with enquiries.
The 60mins Australia docs have been well produced as were the Sextas@9 and Spiegel clips were informative and that combined information is only known by certain members on WS or pieced together by JC and it deserves a wider audience imo.

The Mark Saunokonoko podcasts were and are imo the only ones that objectively delved into this case with a genuine remit to look at and make sense of what happened, both on that evening and subsequently. His sterling work and the PJ files remain my two go-tos. Because both genuinely care about the little child at the heart of this case.

I have no time for anything here now in 2023 that fails a history or logic test. In particular, and as we've seen so regularly over the past three years, the sensational claims that promise so much but turn out to be all about cynical clicks and revenue.

At the expense of the lost child at the heart of this case.

 

[UK Girl]

The BBC doesn’t tend to schedule programmes in the prime viewing slot that it thinks will only be of limited interest, in my opinion

Panorama is scheduled the same time regardless of the topic isnt it?

 

[JB1510]

The Mark Saunokonoko podcasts were and are imo the only ones that objectively delved into this case with a genuine remit to look at and make sense of what happened, both on that evening and subsequently. His sterling work and the PJ files remain my two go-tos. Because both genuinely care about the little child at the heart of this case.

I have no time for anything here now in 2023 that fails a history or logic test. In particular, and as we've seen so regularly over the past three years, the sensational claims that promise so much but turn out to be all about cynical clicks and revenue.

At the expense of the lost child at the heart of this case.

Sadly the previous history is not where the BKA and current PJ team sit .
I‘m not aware of how the PJ files and the misdirection that focus was aimed are relevant to the current PJ investigation , they now believe CB is a suspect for the disappearance of MM, not they still believe it was an accident covered up.I’ve not heard the original MS podcasts I did hear the one he did with HCW just after the appeal and he said there would be further podcasts but nothing as of yet.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Panorama is scheduled the same time regardless of the topic isnt it?

Yes, in the prime time slot, because it covers topics that are of great public interest.

 

[UK Girl]

Yes, in the prime time slot, because it covers topics that are of great public interest.

that may be but what they think will be popular isnt necessarily the case. Do you know what the ratings were for the show by any chance?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

IMO to appeal to viewers who may have encountered CB in 2007 or anything else from 1995- 2017. I think the PJ have been fairly busy as well , hopefully not all evidence was binned from previously unsolved crimes in the Algarve .

I find this hard to believe. Not least because HCW doesn’t ask for information.

IMO, it’s tactical. He knows CB’s personality and he thinks calling him a murderer in the media affects him.

It’s not like he conveys anything new.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I'm not a fan of MWT but the above, combined with the PJ's own denial of an apology, rings true. It also rings true imo with regards the reality of the relationship between the PJ and the BKA, that it's not a close or collaborative one, just one that circumstances have forced a professional relationship with, with the BKA calling all the shots.

I find the BBC and the UK press that so quickly picked up this 'apology' narrative really unsettling. Who is it supposed to be benefiting? Who is it aimed at? What message is it trying to deliver? The fact it's a false one should really give disconcerting pause for thought.

It stinks if Clarence Mitchell-esque type interference to me. It’s a version of the truth but perhaps not the actual truth.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

You abducted a child in PdL.
Then you killed her.
Maybe it was your first murder.
You are a drifter.
You can burglar in any place outside PdL, and beyond.
But you continue burglaring in PdL 3 or 4 months later with the risk of being caught and investigated for the murder.
Good!

 

[Consider Dudley]

that may be but what they think will be popular isnt necessarily the case. Do you know what the ratings were for the show by any chance?

No I don’t but I do know that media organisations worldwide have reported on this latest Panorama episode and they would not have done so were it not for the fact that this case is still of great public interest.

 

[Consider Dudley]

You abducted a child in PdL.

Then you killed her.
Maybe it was your first murder.
You are a drifter.
You can burglar in any place outside PdL, and beyond.
But you continue burglaring in PdL 3 or 4 months later with the risk of being caught and investigated for the murder.
Good!

It wouldn’t be the first time a killer continued to commit crimes in the locale of their original crime, check out the case of the Night Stalker who attacked over and over again in South London
”In 1999 he struck again in Beckenham, Coulsdon, Croydon, Kent and Orpington. He burgled six times, indecently assaulted four times and raped two elderly women. The burglaries and indecent assaults continued from 2002 to 2008. Many of his victims aged between their 70s and 80s, were blind, deaf or suffered from Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease.”

 

[Consider Dudley]

It stinks if Clarence Mitchell-esque type interference to me. It’s a version of the truth but perhaps not the actual truth.

Same could be said for whoever is briefing on the PJ side. All we have is an unnamed source on their version of events wrt to the alleged apology as far as I’m aware…

 

[Deleted member 268165]

It wouldn’t be the first time a killer continued to commit crimes in the locale of their original crime

I forgot: and with all the media there ...

 

[RichardKimble]

You abducted a child in PdL.
Then you killed her.
Maybe it was your first murder.
You are a drifter.
You can burglar in any place outside PdL, and beyond.
But you continue burglaring in PdL 3 or 4 months later with the risk of being caught and investigated for the murder.
Good!

His former friends have never said he's shown remorse over the alleged killing, with his alleged casual remark of she didn't scream he's showing total lack of emotion (imo) the guy he's painted out to be would he stop at one? he certainly didn't stop raping or abusing according to the charges.

 

[Consider Dudley]

I forgot: and with all the media there ...

the media were exclusively focused on the McCanns in August 2007, why would their presence have put off a burglar who was on nobody’s radar?

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I find this hard to believe. Not least because HCW doesn’t ask for information.

IMO, it’s tactical. He knows CB’s personality and he thinks calling him a murderer in the media affects him.

It’s not like he conveys anything new.

Dont' ask? He, indirectly, asked/waits for new info to allow them to complete the puzzle.
IMO he does that in public because he strongly believes there is no other option and it was him. And CB knows that HCW knows and vice-versa. Maybe HCW waits for a confession that I doubt it will come.
HCW says that he expect them to be able to complete MM's investigation (with charges). He also says that they may need still additional time. If in three years no final clue came and no one came forward with that, what may still come now? I think they believe in getting something (maybe more "inherence"/weight) from the next trial (other cases).

 

[onemoremiletogo]

You abducted a child in PdL.
Then you killed her.
Maybe it was your first murder.
You are a drifter.
You can burglar in any place outside PdL, and beyond.
But you continue burglaring in PdL 3 or 4 months later with the risk of being caught and investigated for the murder.
Good!

Did you really know the scenario of police absence and laziness in Algarve, Portimão, Lagos areas at that time?!
Cipriano, just few years back...and so close.
A murder as just another burglary, escaping easily, some months away, then why not back to an area he knew so well and nothing but nothing stopped him?! Obviously he was not the culprit for every crime in PdL but IMO really really not unlikely to repeat there. And there was the robbery supported by NF that year.
I knew well the area.

 

[Mex]

It‘s possible but if it’s not documented it could be different. I just can’t see the PJ not referencing the past and it is totally the opposite of what was originally believed by the original investigative team in 2007.It was honourable move by the PJ and I have a new found respect for that.

I agree that the PJ gained kudos for the apology regarding their treatment in a deeply flawed investigation.

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Police apologise to McC for the way they treated the family​

According to BBC Panorama, a delegation of senior Portuguese police officers travelled from Lisbon to London, where they met and apologised to Mr McC

Police apologise to McCanns for the way they treated the family

According to BBC Panorama, a delegation of senior Portuguese police officers travelled from Lisbon to London, where they met and apologised to Mr McCann

www.leicestermercury.co.uk

There was so much missed which in retrospect just should not have been. Particularly an ignored obvious suspect who underwent facial reconstruction to alter his appearance.

MM suspect Christian Brueckner 'had face changing op months after toddler went missing' - as it emerges prosecutors hope to charge him this year over her disappearance​

• He had jaw reset and four 'rabbit' teeth repaired months after Maddie vanished
• Suspect flew back to native Germany for £7,500 before returning to Portugal

The TV probe found he flew from Portugal, where MM vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, back to Germany for the procedure - thought to have cost around £7,500.

Madeleine McCann suspect 'had face changing op after she went missing'

Brueckner, a convicted paedophile and rapist, had his jaw reset and four 'rabbit' teeth straightened during a procedure at a private dental clinic in his native Germany, according to a TV investigation.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Did you really know the scenario of police absence and laziness in Algarve, Portimão, Lagos areas at that time?!
Cipriano, just few years back...and so close.
A murder as just another burglary, escaping easily, some months away, then why not back to an area he knew so well and nothing but nothing stopped him?! Obviously he was not the culprit for every crime in PdL but IMO really really not unlikely to repeat there. And there was the robbery supported by NF that year.
I knew well the area.

It is often mentioned that CB was a forensically aware criminal who planned his crimes meticulously - this can be supported by the lack of physical evidence in the HaB and MM cases if he was responsible for these.

Would the same person navigate the global media scrum in PDL to steal loose change and a camera? I doubt it.

So far as the €100k burglary was concerned:

1. It was over an hour away. A burglar may not commit a crime within a few months in the same area of London but he may feel more confident committing one in Brighton - as an example;
2. He was relying on high quality inside information, it was an easy crime;
3. The relative reward for the risk was very high, €100k is not the same as a SIM card!

I think it’s extremely unlikely he went back to PDL to commit petty crimes if he was responsible for MM’s murder. If he wasn’t responsible, then I would be more inclined to believe it.