Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[RichardKimble]

Was it not reported that CB became more of a focus from 2013 onwards.. following the German "crimewatch" type TV programme..?

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There were reports he was questioned by the BKA in 2013 but obviously no suspicions arose.

 

[Consider Dudley]

There were reports he was questioned by the BKA in 2013 but obviously no suspicions arose.

Why was he questioned then?

 

[RichardKimble]

Madeleine McCann: Suspect first reported to German investigators in 2013 and raped US woman​

Christian Hoppe said it was not sufficient to trigger an investigation and “certainly not for arrest”, but police zoned in on the suspect after further details were given to the Metropolitan Police
four years later.

Madeleine McCann suspect first reported to German investigators in 2013

Suspect Christian B believed to be man who was jailed in December for raping 72-year-old American woman in 2005 in Portugal

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Mex]

I agree. Those of us who've followed the case from the beginning and have read the PJ files' rogatories and subsequent rogatories (and all the rest) know why clarity as to how MM came to allegedly be in CB's possession is so key to understanding HCW's claims. If CB acted alone, as HCW has said ('we're not looking at anyone else'), then it's entirely reasonable to want to know how CB fits into the 'gap' that the Tapas8 left in their wake.

I'm sure the defence, should this ever go to court, will also want to focus on that 'gap'.

Times have moved on from the days which prompted the Portuguese judicial police to apologise for the early mismanagement of MM's case.

The process is in place and a credible suspect is under investigation which is something which hasn't happened since 2014 when local burglars were eliminated from the inquiry.

Nobody claimed anyone tried to frame these guys as they went through due process. Exactly as CB is going through due process today.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It is hard to fathom why if HCW is convinced that CB killed MM why the importance of the need for CB to be in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007,

It’s an interesting point. It’s as though CB could only be responsible if he were in or around PDL. It could mean that they know the location and time of death but if they can’t prove CB was there, they can’t prove he was responsible.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Times have moved on from the days which prompted the Portuguese judicial police to apologise for the early mismanagement of MM's case.

The process is in place and a credible suspect is under investigation which is something which hasn't happened since 2014 when local burglars were eliminated from the inquiry.

Nobody claimed anyone tried to frame these guys as they went through due process. Exactly as CB is going through due process today.

Were they announced as guilty in the media while due process was being carried out - I don’t think so. It’s the way this investigation has been carried out that makes it so questionable.

 

[Mex]

It is hard to fathom why if HCW is convinced that CB killed MM why the importance of the need for CB to be in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007,

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My opinion

 

[Mex]

We know OG went back to the beginning, FF has said there's only a small window
after a visit, so I would think its unconcievable the BKA haven't done the same.

They did not need to. OG had already done it all. Mind you it would have been really handy if CB's name had featured amongst those of the other known sex offenders in the police files.
Such information would probably have cut down on ten years of investigation and the BKA might never have had a role to play.

 

[Mex]

It's been well documented during previous threads, HeB has claimed he told SY of CB in 2008 ,Bilton in the recent pan docu said OG were given CBs name in 2011, 2013 its said the BKA interviewed CB, 2014 after forensically examining the phone records OG went after the three locals, so why wasn't CBs raised as suspicious ? they had his name after all.
The Panorama special where Redwood had his epiphany was shown in Germany ,why didn't HeB come forward then?

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Federal investigators in Germany had received a tipoff linking CB to MM’s disappearance in 2007 following a TV appearance by her parents on 16 October 2013, Der Spiegel reported.
A former colleague had recognised CB on the basis of a photofit of a man spotted near the site where Madeleine went missing. The informant said the suspect had run a swimming pool service close to the Cala d’Or holiday resort.

Madeleine McCann suspect told he was on German police radar in 2013

Mistake raises questions over whether Christian Brückner had time to dispose of evidence

www.theguardian.com

 

[onemoremiletogo]

So on Radar in 2013 before 2017...even if with "offers" to let him dispose or be more careful with any evidence.
And there was also Inga's case (2016), the search in the box factory, so CB was not an unknown to BKA to be investigated from scratch.

 

[Mex]

There's a documented order where CB wasn't investigated, despite his name being forwarded, was/is he that clever no physical/ forensic evidence remains, but lots of words it seems.

No I don't think he is that clever. It was never explained why CB was on Portuguese police radar in 2007.

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After German prosecutors announced they were investigating CB in June, the Metropolitan Police revealed they had received a tip-off about him in 2017.

'Following the ten-year anniversary, the Met received information about a German man who was known to have been in and around Praia da Luz,' detective chief inspector Mark Cranwell said at the time.
HeB now says he was the person who provided the tip-off - having known CB from when they both lived in Portugal.

Witness who helped re-launch Maddie probe says suspect is guilty

Helge Busching, 48, has broken his 12-year silence on former friend Christian Brueckner, the main suspect in Madeleine McCann's abduction, after he was tracked down to a village in Corsica, Greece.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Trivento]

No I don't think he is that clever. It was never explained why CB was on Portuguese police radar in 2007.

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After German prosecutors announced they were investigating CB in June, the Metropolitan Police revealed they had received a tip-off about him in 2017.

'Following the ten-year anniversary, the Met received information about a German man who was known to have been in and around Praia da Luz,' detective chief inspector Mark Cranwell said at the time.
HeB now says he was the person who provided the tip-off - having known CB from when they both lived in Portugal.

Witness who helped re-launch Maddie probe says suspect is guilty

Helge Busching, 48, has broken his 12-year silence on former friend Christian Brueckner, the main suspect in Madeleine McCann's abduction, after he was tracked down to a village in Corsica, Greece.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The linked article in your post also mentions that although H.Bu reminded police in 2017 about his alleged 2008 Orgiva conversation with CB .. this may all be separate to the alleged 2017 CB bar conversation , which could have been with someone other than H.Bu

Possibly meaning this other potential witness is now more important to BKA than H.Bu .

“ In June, reports in German media said that police were tipped off in 2017 after Brueckner bragged that he 'knew all about' the case while watching a news report on the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. It is not clear if those reports referred to Busching. “

 

[onemoremiletogo]

That has never come official sources, HCW said no forensics, no body, no dna.

None of that. It seems they may have words and words from him. Spoken to different "friends/clients", written in chats, messages, texts. And even in strange letters...
IMO cumulative and autonomously "inherence".

 

[misty48]

We know OG went back to the beginning, FF has said there's only a small window
after a visit, so I would think its unconcievable the BKA haven't done the same.

Madeleine was allegedly last seen by GM at around 9.05pm. That's 55mins before she was noticed missing from her bed with no caregiver present in 5A. If FF has said there was only a small window of opportunity to abduct Madeleine (90secs iirc) then surely that indicates someone must have placed his client CB very close to 5A at that specific time.
Otherwise, there was more than one much longer window of opportunity when no-one was inside 5A or the front car park after GM left following his check. Wouldn't that be a better defence?
Seeing CB close by without Madeleine is not proof he entered 5A & abducted her. However, when GM said "nothing of value was taken the night Madeleine disappeared" what was he actually referring to?

 

[RichardKimble]

Madeleine was allegedly last seen by GM at around 9.05pm. That's 55mins before she was noticed missing from her bed with no caregiver present in 5A. If FF has said there was only a small window of opportunity to abduct Madeleine (90secs iirc) then surely that indicates someone must have placed his client CB very close to 5A at that specific time.
Otherwise, there was more than one much longer window of opportunity when no-one was inside 5A or the front car park after GM left following his check. Wouldn't that be a better defence?
Seeing CB close by without Madeleine is not proof he entered 5A & abducted her. However, when GM said "nothing of value was taken the night Madeleine disappeared" what was he actually referring to?

I suspect the 90 sec window is taking into account all the other movements.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

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Federal investigators in Germany had received a tipoff linking CB to MM’s disappearance in 2007 following a TV appearance by her parents on 16 October 2013, Der Spiegel reported.
A former colleague had recognised CB on the basis of a photofit of a man spotted near the site where Madeleine went missing. The informant said the suspect had run a swimming pool service close to the Cala d’Or holiday resort.

Madeleine McCann suspect told he was on German police radar in 2013

Mistake raises questions over whether Christian Brückner had time to dispose of evidence

www.theguardian.com

Where is the Cala d’Or holiday resort? Thanks in advance.

 

[Lilly b]

Where is the Cala d’Or holiday resort? Thanks in advance.

Translated means golden bay, this could be it

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[mrjitty]

I agree. Those of us who've followed the case from the beginning and have read the PJ files' rogatories and subsequent rogatories (and all the rest) know why clarity as to how MM came to allegedly be in CB's possession is so key to understanding HCW's claims. If CB acted alone, as HCW has said ('we're not looking at anyone else'), then it's entirely reasonable to want to know how CB fits into the 'gap' that the Tapas8 left in their wake.

I'm sure the defence, should this ever go to court, will also want to focus on that 'gap'.

IMO it is beyond argument that the prosecution case must eliminate all other reasonably possible theories.

Forensic or digital evidence would be the best way to do this

 

[mrjitty]

It is hard to fathom why if HCW is convinced that CB killed MM why the importance of the need for CB to be in Luz on the night of 3/05/2007,

If CB can raise reasonable doubt on that point, the case collapses IMO

 

[Consider Dudley]

IMO it is beyond argument that the prosecution case must eliminate all other reasonably possible theories.

Forensic or digital evidence would be the best way to do this

It’s all about the strength of the evidence IMO not about putting the evidence against CB to one side and digging up old files on Murat, (for example).