Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[mrjitty]

It’s all about the strength of the evidence IMO not about putting the evidence against CB to one side and digging up old files on Murat, (for example).

Right but it is a truism that the evidence must be strong enough to rule out all of those ideas in one go. Something that short circuits all that.

If the defence is able to go through all these suspects starting with Tannerman, you lose the case.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Translated means golden bay, this could be it

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This is 400 km from Luz.
Another Cala d'Or is in Majorca, Spain.

 

[Mex]

Where is the Cala d’Or holiday resort? Thanks in advance.

I wondered that when I read it. I don't remember seeing it mentioned before.

 

[Trivento]

I wondered that when I read it. I don't remember seeing it mentioned before.

It could be a misprint … CB is reported as having done pool service work in PDL area .
The only Cala d’Or connection to MM , upon internet searching , seems to be reported sightings of her , in Majorca , from some tourists ..

 

[Lilly b]

This is 400 km from Luz.
Another Cala d'Or is in Majorca, Spain.

Cala d'or is in majorca, it's a resort
I think the article has the name of the accommodation incorrect, or something is wording wrong , like you say it's miles away

 

[Mex]

It could be a misprint … CB is reported as having done pool service work in PDL area .
The only Cala d’Or connection to MM , upon internet searching , seems to be reported sightings of her , in Majorca , from some tourists ..

Jack of all trades!
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A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said CB told close friends how he went after “tourist ” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night.

During the year of Madeleine MM’s disappearance – two years after the rape – he was living in Praia da Luz, and he had been having relationships with various women over the years, including from Portugal and Germany, the court documents say. He was dating an English woman between 2004 and 2005, according to the documents, where her name has been crossed out.

CB was working as a waiter and barman in various pubs in and around the Lagos region at that time. But as the money wasn’t enough to live on, he looked for other jobs, including car repairs, selling golf balls he picked up on the course near his house, and selling oranges that he picked on various farms in the area.

In 2006, while trying to steal diesel fuel with an acquaintance, they were arrested and later sent to prison. After his release, he returned to Germany and finally moved back to Portugal, to the same remote house in Praia da Luz, but he returned to Germany regularly.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

German had first conviction for child sexual abuse while a teenager and fled Germany for Portugal

www.theguardian.com

CB's lifestyle certainly makes him a very difficult person to try to keep track of but the consensus of various sources including this one citing court documents - makes it clear he was living in Luz when MM disappeared.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Jack of all trades!
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A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said CB told close friends how he went after “tourist *advertiser censored*” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night.

During the year of Madeleine MM’s disappearance – two years after the rape – he was living in Praia da Luz, and he had been having relationships with various women over the years, including from Portugal and Germany, the court documents say. He was dating an English woman between 2004 and 2005, according to the documents, where her name has been crossed out.

CB was working as a waiter and barman in various pubs in and around the Lagos region at that time. But as the money wasn’t enough to live on, he looked for other jobs, including car repairs, selling golf balls he picked up on the course near his house, and selling oranges that he picked on various farms in the area.

In 2006, while trying to steal diesel fuel with an acquaintance, they were arrested and later sent to prison. After his release, he returned to Germany and finally moved back to Portugal, to the same remote house in Praia da Luz, but he returned to Germany regularly.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

German had first conviction for child sexual abuse while a teenager and fled Germany for Portugal

www.theguardian.com

CB's lifestyle certainly makes him a very difficult person to try to keep track of but the consensus of various sources including this one citing court documents - makes it clear he was living in Luz when MM disappeared.

CB said he never returned to Luz after being in jail till end of 2006.

 

[Davieson]

Jack of all trades!
Snip
A witness who gave evidence at the rape trial said he had seen him “climb through open windows in one or another holiday flat”. The witness said CB told close friends how he went after “tourist *advertiser censored*” like cameras, video cameras, passports, wallets or loose change, sometimes entering apartments while the occupants were taking a siesta or during the night.

During the year of Madeleine MM’s disappearance – two years after the rape – he was living in Praia da Luz, and he had been having relationships with various women over the years, including from Portugal and Germany, the court documents say. He was dating an English woman between 2004 and 2005, according to the documents, where her name has been crossed out.

CB was working as a waiter and barman in various pubs in and around the Lagos region at that time. But as the money wasn’t enough to live on, he looked for other jobs, including car repairs, selling golf balls he picked up on the course near his house, and selling oranges that he picked on various farms in the area.

In 2006, while trying to steal diesel fuel with an acquaintance, they were arrested and later sent to prison. After his release, he returned to Germany and finally moved back to Portugal, to the same remote house in Praia da Luz, but he returned to Germany regularly.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner fled police in 1995

German had first conviction for child sexual abuse while a teenager and fled Germany for Portugal

www.theguardian.com

CB's lifestyle certainly makes him a very difficult person to try to keep track of but the consensus of various sources including this one citing court documents - makes it clear he was living in Luz when MM disappeared.

I don't see any document saying he was in PDL when MM disappeared in the link provided.

 

[Tekno]

He’s the only reason they have a case.

I agree. He may also

I don't see any document saying he was in PDL when MM disappeared in the link

Madeleine was allegedly last seen by GM at around 9.05pm. That's 55mins before she was noticed missing from her bed with no caregiver present in 5A. If FF has said there was only a small window of opportunity to abduct Madeleine (90secs iirc) then surely that indicates someone must have placed his client CB very close to 5A at that specific time.
Otherwise, there was more than one much longer window of opportunity when no-one was inside 5A or the front car park after GM left following his check. Wouldn't that be a better defence?
Seeing CB close by without Madeleine is not proof he entered 5A & abducted her. However, when GM said "nothing of value was taken the night Madeleine disappeared" what was he actually referring to?

Madeleine was allegedly last seen by GM at around 9.05pm. That's 55mins before she was noticed missing from her bed with no caregiver present in 5A. If FF has said there was only a small window of opportunity to abduct Madeleine (90secs iirc) then surely that indicates someone must have placed his client CB very close to 5A at that specific time.
Otherwise, there was more than one much longer window of opportunity when no-one was inside 5A or the front car park after GM left following his check. Wouldn't that be a better defence?
Seeing CB close by without Madeleine is not proof he entered 5A & abducted her. However, when GM said "nothing of value was taken the night Madeleine disappeared" what was he actually referring to?

However, when GM said "nothing of value was taken the night Madeleine disappeared" what was he actually referring to?

Perhaps something from this PJ photo might have been taken. IMO.

 

[RichardKimble]

I agree. He may also



Perhaps something from this PJ photo might have been taken. IMO.

If that photo was after the alleged abduction, then nothing on there was missing.

 

[Zuleika]

I agree. He may also



Perhaps something from this PJ photo might have been taken. IMO.

No one asked " could you be more specific sir? "
I don't think for a minute anyway it occurred to him they could have been robbed .

 

[Consider Dudley]

Right but it is a truism that the evidence must be strong enough to rule out all of those ideas in one go. Something that short circuits all that.

If the defence is able to go through all these suspects starting with Tannerman, you lose the case.

I don’t get it.

 

[RichardKimble]

I agree. He may also



Perhaps something from this PJ photo might have been taken. IMO.

Are you meaning a 5th passport ?

 

[Anxala]

Madeleine was allegedly last seen by GM at around 9.05pm. That's 55mins before she was noticed missing from her bed with no caregiver present in 5A. If FF has said there was only a small window of opportunity to abduct Madeleine (90secs iirc) then surely that indicates someone must have placed his client CB very close to 5A at that specific time.
Otherwise, there was more than one much longer window of opportunity when no-one was inside 5A or the front car park after GM left following his check. Wouldn't that be a better defence?
Seeing CB close by without Madeleine is not proof he entered 5A & abducted her. However, when GM said "nothing of value was taken the night Madeleine disappeared" what was he actually referring to?

^ I'm a little confused by this. As I understood it, FF was basing his 'window of opportunity' on the Tapas' timeline, not on an actual sighting of CB lurking in the 5A shadows. The window of opportunity, based on the Tapas' timeline was tiny, ridiculously so, for the alleged abduction to have taken place in the way it allegedly was by CB or anyone else for that matter, with all the bustling Tapas' alleged comings and goings.

As for GM's comment, both McCs have said that nothing was missing/taken from the apartment. I wouldn't give GM's 'nothing of value' much thought, he was very prone to using 5 words where one would usually have been more than sufficient.

 

[Anxala]

Perhaps something from this PJ photo might have been taken. IMO.

If it was taken, it wouldn't be in the photo. All PJ pics post-date the disappearance.

 

[misty48]

^ I'm a little confused by this. As I understood it, FF was basing his 'window of opportunity' on the Tapas' timeline, not on an actual sighting of CB lurking in the 5A shadows. The window of opportunity, based on the Tapas' timeline was tiny, ridiculously so, for the alleged abduction to have taken place in the way it allegedly was by CB or anyone else for that matter, with all the bustling Tapas' alleged comings and goings.

As for GM's comment, both McCs have said that nothing was missing/taken from the apartment. I wouldn't give GM's 'nothing of value' much thought, he was very prone to using 5 words where one would usually have been more than sufficient.

Using Tapas 9 own timeline...
Who was inside 5A or in Block 5 car park between 9.20pm & 9.30pm?
Ditto between 9.35pm & 9.45pm?
Ditto between 9.50pm & 10pm?
That doesn't even include the possibility that CB was already inside 5A by around 9pm. It doesn't explain why FF only made reference to one tiny window of opportunity which coincides temporally with GM check & JT sighting

 

[Anxala]

Are you meaning a 5th passport ?

I'd guess the PJ would have taken it?

 

[Tekno]

Are you meaning a 5th passport ?

No. I was thinking the wallet in the drawer.

 

[Tekno]

No. I was thinking the wallet in the drawer.

Something from the wallet.

 

[frank-cole]

I hope you appreciate that it’s possible to look at what HCW has said and come to the conclusion he has no images of MM. That is an equally rational conclusion to make.

Until CB goes to trial, we are left making the available information fit what we want to believe.

Based on what’s been shared, I don’t think the BKA’s case is strong. I think it’s largely built on HeB’s statement and is supported by other witness testimonies, some coincidental circumstantial evidence and perhaps CB’s autobiographical writings.

This is what the appeal, sensationalised media strategy, and flip-flopping on charging over three years tells me.

I hope there will be a trial so we can find out but I doubt very much that there will be.

IMO there’s a reason the investigators are certain MM died in Portugal. If there wasn’t then they wouldn’t be saying there was.

IMO presenting an assumption of the weakness of the case based on an interpretation of open source information & a perceived issue with those who who have all of the information & all of the evidence, probably isn’t going to be even remotely reflective of the reality of this case. I’d say the reality of the case is so clear cut that it isn’t actually a matter of opinion. If it was a matter of opinion the investigation wouldn’t be stating that they have facts.

I think it’s important to remember that the prosecution have actual evidence. There is zero evidence against anybody else.