Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[Davieson]

The thing which is a bit perplexing to me at least is prior to 2007 CB seems to have been a prolific sex offender, only one of the charges he's facing is since then, (2017) he's done time in Germany it seems in 2016 /2017 for sex related crimes, so did the alleged murder temper his desire ? What was he doing between 2007 and 2016?

It depends on how you define prolific.
Given the length of his criminal career he has been convicted of relatively few crimes, although that might not be reflection of the number of offences committed but not detected.

 

[Consider Dudley]

The thing which is a bit perplexing to me at least is prior to 2007 CB seems to have been a prolific sex offender, only one of the charges he's facing is since then, (2017) he's done time in Germany it seems in 2016 /2017 for sex related crimes, so did the alleged murder temper his desire ? What was he doing between 2007 and 2016?

You do know there have been cases of rapists and murderers who commit crimes years prior who then never go on to commit similar further crimes for whatever reason, or at least none that can be linked to them?

 

[Mex]

None of us know whether CB is responsible for MM's disappearance. We may never know for sure.
I trust that what people will do is accept the outcome of the judicial process, whether or not it actually goes to trial.

I don't think there is any other option but to trust the investigative work carried out by police which is still in progress.

MM case: PJ confirms clue about new suspect​

Portuguese police confirm that there are "elements that indicate the possible intervention, in the disappearance of the child, of a German citizen". The PJ came to suspect that MM's parents had been responsible for their daughter's disappearance and now, 13 years later, they admit that there may be someone else responsible for the crime.​

Caso Madeleine McCann: PJ confirma pista sobre novo suspeito

Polícia portuguesa confirma que há "elementos que indiciam a eventual intervenção, no desaparecimento da criança, de um cidadão alemão". A PJ chegou a suspeitar que os pais de Maddie tinham sido os responsáveis pelo desaparecimento da filha e agora, 13 anos depois, admitem que pode haver outro...

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The PJ have quite obviously been on board with other investigators almost from the inception of the investigation. They have made it obvious throughout that they think there is a case to be made against against CB.
We know that they took the lead in the search of the Arade and we do not know what they are doing behind the scenes. But three national police forces are in accord regarding the suspect and the PJ are a big contributor to that.
My opinion

 

[Denis R Tandib]

There is no evidence that Clarence Mitchell is still in the employ of the McCanns (which it doesn’t take a mind reader to work out is your inference from your recent posts). I find it incredible that you would prefer to suspect those who have already been exhasutively investigated by LE and cleared from all suspicion, but each to their own I guess. It’s quite clear to me that all agencies currently investigating Madeleine’s disappearance are very much on the right track, and I sincerely hope they are able to bring the perpetrator(s) to justice at some point in the future.

CB has been exhaustively investigated. The time and resources spent investigating other people is far less. Yet no charge against CB and no sign of one.

 

[Anxala]

I have given you reasonable explanations why I don’t believe the apology and the date of the Jag registration.

More broadly, my position is clear: I am sceptical CB is responsible for MM’s disappearance. Until evidence proving he was is released, I will continue to doubt sloppy unattributed media reporting some of which I think is paid PR. Until then, I will continue to suspect the involvement of other people in the case who acted suspiciously around the time of the disappearance. The only sensible way to think IMO.

Agree. Quite why such a sensible position seems to attract such angry, defensive attention is almost as mysterious as the case in hand. It's not as if you're asking anyone to share your opinion, let alone brow-beating them into thinking your way.

Like you, I'm perfectly happy to hold the opinions I hold and feel no need whatsoever to hit people over the head with them and/or demand that they see things my way.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Agree. Quite why such a sensible position seems to attract such defensive attention is almost as mysterious as the case in hand. It's not as if you're asking anyone to share your opinion, let alone brow-beating them into thinking your way.

Like you, I'm perfectly happy to hold the opinions I have and feel no need whatsoever to hit people over the head with them and/or demand that they see things my way.

IMO, our thoughts are in accordance with the rule of law. There are contributors to this forum who are certain CB is responsible. Even the history of this case shows that way of thinking could turn out incorrect!

 

[Consider Dudley]

Agree. Quite why such a sensible position seems to attract such defensive attention is almost as mysterious as the case in hand. It's not as if you're asking anyone to share your opinion, let alone brow-beating them into thinking your way.

Like you, I'm perfectly happy to hold the opinions I hold and feel no need whatsoever to hit people over the head with them and/or demand that they see things my way.

I disagree. There is IMO a determined effort to continue to sway opinion against the investigation into CB by a) holding HCW in contempt every time he opens his mouth and ridiculing any and all news reports on the investigation and b) regularly slyly returning to suspicions which pre-date the current investigation by many years, despite admin repeatedly reaffirming that the only suspect up for discussion is CB.

 

[Consider Dudley]

CB has been exhaustively investigated. The time and resources spent investigating other people is far less. Yet no charge against CB and no sign of one.

The difference is CB continues to be the main suspect and the investigation into him is live, all other suspects have long since been cleared. Individuals in any crime investigation can be ruled out with minimum time and resources, the amount spent on either or both is not necessarily relevant to issues of innocence or guilt.

 

[Davieson]

I disagree. There is IMO a determined effort to continue to sway opinion against the investigation into CB by a) holding HCW in contempt every time he opens his mouth and ridiculing any and all news reports on the investigation and b) regularly slyly returning to suspicions which pre-date the current investigation by many years, despite admin repeatedly reaffirming that the only suspect up for discussion is CB.

In what way do you think 'swaying opinion' could have any effect on the investigation of CB ?
Certain reports and stories in the media may received hoots of derision, but so what. They don't actually influence anything, any more than endlessly repeating that CB is the only suspect , or the PJ did a poor job does

 

[onemoremiletogo]

IMO, our thoughts are in accordance with the rule of law. There are contributors to this forum who are certain CB is responsible. Even the history of this case shows that way of thinking could turn out incorrect!

Your opinion needs the charges, conviction, proof in court and will it be enough?! Till then you have been discrediting BKA work and reinforcing that media circus is bending the true. Not even mention "your improbable other suspects". Not even mention what could, in "comparison", be said about the original investigation...I really believe in BKA's investigation and work.

No, not at all. Maybe the other way around with some thoughts here...I really don't have any problem in accepting a final decision different from my belief. I'll be the first to admit my total, but TOTAL "shock" if it will be proven that CB didn't do it. Or if another "credible" suspect emerges in the meantime. But please with, at least, as many "mere coincidences" as CB...not a worse handful of nothing.
I would obviously prefer to be "wrong" instead of not reaching a conclusion. However, although I believe that it is immensely more plausible CB did it, it could be challenging for BKA to charge him. Hope not but even if they get something more from the next trial (other cases) it will be a difficult task.

 

[Davieson]

That the BKA appear to be having such difficulty resolving this case could suggest that they are on the wrong track.

IMO

 

[onemoremiletogo]

That the BKA appear to be having such difficulty resolving this case could suggest that they are on the wrong track.

IMO

Don't get me wrong but IMO that is too naive. Wrong track vs (still) insufficient to charge (beyond reasonable doubt), IMO it's a different thing.

 

[Consider Dudley]

In what way do you think 'swaying opinion' could have any effect on the investigation of CB ?
Certain reports and stories in the media may received hoots of derision, but so what. They don't actually influence anything, any more than endlessly repeating that CB is the only suspect , or the PJ did a poor job does

BIB - in no way at all and nor did I even suggest it could. My comment concerned and was confined to what goes on in this forum which don’t influence anything that really matters.

 

[Mex]

That the BKA appear to be having such difficulty resolving this case could suggest that they are on the wrong track.

IMO

It is your only your opinion that the prosecutors appear to be in difficulty resolving MM's case

• no-one outside the investigation has a clue what's going on inside it; what difficulties they have encountered, short of deducting they must have been immense but not knowing how they were surmounted.
• Why this one case seems to be perplexing them when other cases featuring CB have been dealt with efficiently and successfully alongside the MM investigation - and surely against a background of the day job of many other routine cases. These guys are professionals and the MM case is not the only one they are working.
• If there is sensitive evidence attached to the file it would be stupidity itself to hand that over to kick around for goodness knows how long in the German equivalent of HOLMES until CB has had his days in court on other counts.

The MM case will happen or it will not happen. But the PJ - SY - and the BKA seem to be exuding a quiet confidence.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

That the BKA appear to be having such difficulty resolving this case could suggest that they are on the wrong track.

IMO

I've seen enough evidence that the investigators are certain of where the evidence has led them during an investigation which is thorough and encompassing.
They know where they are going with this without a doubt as does CB's legal team.
My opinion


@Davieson, sorry. I didn't realise I had already answered your post. Two bites at the cherry, I'm just being greedy.

 

[RichardKimble]

Your opinion needs the charges, conviction, proof in court and will it be enough?! Till then you have been discrediting BKA work and reinforcing that media circus is bending the true. Not even mention "your improbable other suspects". Not even mention what could, in "comparison", be said about the original investigation...I really believe in BKA's investigation and work.

No, not at all. Maybe the other way around with some thoughts here...I really don't have any problem in accepting a final decision different from my belief. I'll be the first to admit my total, but TOTAL "shock" if it will be proven that CB didn't do it. Or if another "credible" suspect emerges in the meantime. But please with, at least, as many "mere coincidences" as CB...not a worse handful of nothing.
I would obviously prefer to be "wrong" instead of not reaching a conclusion. However, although I believe that it is immensely more plausible CB did it, it could be challenging for BKA to charge him. Hope not but even if they get something more from the next trial (other cases) it will be a difficult task.

This is where my differences with your opinion occur, you say you will be shocked if its proved CB didn't do it, no one has to prove CB didn't do it, what ever it is, the onus is to prove he "did".Until such time if ever charges are laid at CBs door in relation to MM then all the words in the world uttered by HCW on behalf of the BKA are just that, words.imo.

 

[RichardKimble]

Don't get me wrong but IMO that is too naive. Wrong track vs (still) insufficient to charge (beyond reasonable doubt), IMO it's a different thing.

IMO the only thing that will resolve this case to BARD are for the remains of MM to be found and a perpetrator linked to them.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I disagree. There is IMO a determined effort to continue to sway opinion against the investigation into CB by a) holding HCW in contempt every time he opens his mouth and ridiculing any and all news reports on the investigation and b) regularly slyly returning to suspicions which pre-date the current investigation by many years, despite admin repeatedly reaffirming that the only suspect up for discussion is CB.

HCW is entirely responsible for his own media appearances and commentary on the case. Some of his statements are vague, some commitments he has made have fallen through and sometimes he says things which are entirely unnecessary and not becoming of someone in his position. If people ridicule him for this, he should reconsider his media strategy. He gets paid to do a job and be accountable for the comments he makes.

There is nothing sly about my comments. Suspects from the original investigation acted strangely and failed to account for changes in statements and peculiar behaviour. That’s my opinion in clear language.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The difference is CB continues to be the main suspect and the investigation into him is live, all other suspects have long since been cleared. Individuals in any crime investigation can be ruled out with minimum time and resources, the amount spent on either or both is not necessarily relevant to issues of innocence or guilt.

Can you tell me which other suspects have been investigated for over six years without a charge? If CB is not found guilty, I sincerely hope the same scrutiny is given to other past and future suspects.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

IMO the only thing that will resolve this case to BARD are for the remains of MM to be found and a perpetrator linked to them.

Or strong forensic evidence. Neither are coming which is why I can’t see a charge at any point in the future. But, I could be wrong. I would really love to see a pure circumstantial case go to trial but I think it’s way too risky for the prosecution.