Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #40

[ChatteringBirds]

Why is anyone entertaining this "story" at all? A childless couple would have wanted one of the baby siblings, not an older child who knew who she was. But JMO.

 

[mrjitty]

Why is anyone entertaining this "story" at all? A childless couple would have wanted one of the baby siblings, not an older child who knew who she was. But JMO.

Not to mention the idea that in germany of all countries, you can suddenly produce a toddler with no documentation, and that will work out. Try doing anything like going to the doctor, enrolling in school etc. You would need an entire false identity from some other country then somehow navigate the bureaucratic nightmare of adoption

This has always been nonsense.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

CB planning to snatch a child from a rich family is unlikely to target a family staying in the ocean club, not exactly exclusive is it ?

Perhaps it was to CB.

All this stuff about CB building the shrine and stealing MM for a rich couple is just to warm up the public for the trial. I’m not sure any of it is real.

 

[SuperdadV8]

Why is anyone entertaining this "story" at all? A childless couple would have wanted one of the baby siblings, not an older child who knew who she was. But JMO.

Because it's far away from being a contradiction in itself at all!

Nobody said, that - if this story turns out to be true - Maddie has been the main target at all!

Let's just assume, this "kidnap by order" - story to be true. One of the twins, probably Amelie, might have been the main target, because you are right, it wouldn't make a lot sense for a german couple to order a native english speaking girl, that has almost been 4 years of age at the time. Of course, it speaks a lot for the assumption, the couple would place an "order" for a way more younger child.

That doesn't change the fact, that an alleged kidnapper would have been checked out the apartment and all of it's movements days before he would snatch any kind of child. He would have known who lives in the apartment and what usually happens after the three kids went to bed. Just like what happened all the time in the days before may the 3rd.

Just imagine the "original order" to be cancelled, shortly before the planned strike. Probably in a half hour call on may the 3rd?

How would the alleged kidnapper, who might be a vile paedo as well, react? Going home without the chance of making money out of the human trafficking, or considering the kidnapping of another small fair haired but slightly older girl, probably for selling it otherwise, or his own pleasure and probably the chance to make some money out of it, by selling some "other stuff" on the dark web?

That's the main question imho!

So many people, police forces, profilers etc. have been quoted that the disappearence of Maddie just could have been taken place by someone who tried to steal from the apartment and made the decision to take Maddie by chance. Nothing valuable seems to be missing from 5A, except a poor little child. So we just don't know if the original plan was to take one of the twins maybe and snatching Maddie was just a kind of substitute at all?!

 

[katydid23]

CB planning to snatch a child from a rich family is unlikely to target a family staying in the ocean club, not exactly exclusive is it ?

It would be nearly impossible to kidnap a baby from a very exclusive hotel. Especially hard to kidnap a child from a very rich family, who would have solid security, most likely. A very wealthy family would not be leaving their babies alone at night while parents went to the bar and grill to eat, imo.

 

[Trivento]

If there is anything real in this stealing for German couple story , would point out that , re. above posts , it’s not been reported that German couple were rich ( although if willing to pay for a child , not hard-up either ) .. it was reported CB wanted to take child from a “ rich “ family .. I guess to CB ( living in a campervan ) anyone who could take holidays at OC would have seemed rich in comparison to himself .
It’s also not been reported , afaik , where German couple lived ( maybe was just in Portugal ) nor how much of an “ on the radar “ type of a lifestyle they would subsequently be seeking .
CB has been reported as being motivated by money , so it’s not beyond realms of possibility there may be something in K.Ralphs account .. imo

 

[Trivento]

Because it's far away from being a contradiction in itself at all!

Nobody said, that - if this story turns out to be true - Maddie has been the main target at all!

Let's just assume, this "kidnap by order" - story to be true. One of the twins, probably Amelie, might have been the main target, because you are right, it wouldn't make a lot sense for a german couple to order a native english speaking girl, that has almost been 4 years of age at the time. Of course, it speaks a lot for the assumption, the couple would place an "order" for a way more younger child.

That doesn't change the fact, that an alleged kidnapper would have been checked out the apartment and all of it's movements days before he would snatch any kind of child. He would have known who lives in the apartment and what usually happens after the three kids went to bed. Just like what happened all the time in the days before may the 3rd.

Just imagine the "original order" to be cancelled, shortly before the planned strike. Probably in a half hour call on may the 3rd?

How would the alleged kidnapper, who might be a vile paedo as well, react? Going home without the chance of making money out of the human trafficking, or considering the kidnapping of another small fair haired but slightly older girl, probably for selling it otherwise, or his own pleasure and probably the chance to make some money out of it, by selling some "other stuff" on the dark web?

That's the main question imho!

So many people, police forces, profilers etc. have been quoted that the disappearence of Maddie just could have been taken place by someone who tried to steal from the apartment and made the decision to take Maddie by chance. Nothing valuable seems to be missing from 5A, except a poor little child. So we just don't know if the original plan was to take one of the twins maybe and snatching Maddie was just a kind of substitute at all?!

Yes .. all good points SuperdadV8 .. imo

 

[RichardKimble]

CB must have been some kind of planner extraordinaire, allegedly talking of half inching a rich kid, a week before ,planning it all out knowing in advance there would be no alleged child minding then acting upon it, by chance a 3 yrs old just happens to be available. ( The twins should be left out of this imo) How can it be differentiated between a rich kid, poor ,working class, middle class ? then to steal a English one for a German family, seriously ? it's a nonsense imo.

 

[Trivento]

Some good points here .. imo

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If there is anything real in this stealing for German couple story , would point out that , re. above posts , it’s not been reported that German couple were rich ( although if willing to pay for a child , not hard-up either ) .. it was reported CB wanted to take child from a “ rich “ family .. I guess to CB ( living in a campervan ) anyone who could take holidays at OC would have seemed rich in comparison to himself .
It’s also not been reported , afaik , where German couple lived ( maybe was just in Portugal ) nor how much of an “ on the radar “ type of a lifestyle they would subsequently be seeking .
CB has been reported as being motivated by money , so it’s not beyond realms of possibility there may be something in K.Ralphs account .. imo

But maybe he is just some opportunistic willing to sell a story to the papers at the right time.

I have doubts about HCW’s evidence but I don’t know how we move from CB abducted and murdered MM on his own to him actually stealing MM to order.

IMO, we’re starting to get back into MM circus territory again.

 

[Mex]

Cumbria Police refute claims of having information relating to Madeline McCann’s disappearance​

A spokesman for Cumbria Constabulary said: “There is no record on any of the Constabulary systems relating to information relating to this case being provided to police in Workington.”

Cumbria police refute claims of having information relating to Madeline McCann's disappearance - cumbriacrack.com

A man's claims that he gave Workington police information that could be related to Madeline McCann's disappearance has been refuted by Cumbria Constabulary.

cumbriacrack.com

 

[sgrump]

It has always been my belief Madeline was kidnapped for this reason, to be a loved child in a family. Male dominated LE automatically took on a pedophile sex narrative. It's possible she is alive and will eventually present herself. She may be aware something is not 'right' about her early childhood. Traumatic memories may have been buried to survive the ordeal and come to light as her ability to deal with emotions matures. It could be something as innocent as ancestry DNA or herself scrolling the internet. She'd be 20 now and gaining independence from her 'parents'.

Just because a German couple has been mentioned does not mean she is in Germany. Just as likely they may have immigrated to Portugal or perhaps Barcelona. This 'fictional' couple may have lost a child that would have been roughly Madeleines age. They may have been childless and worked for years with IVF. LE should have done inquires of this nature within the first year of her disappearance, they did not. I'd recommend looking through high school graduation photos from major cities in Germany and Spain for potential matches.

I hope she is found.

 

[RichardKimble]

Of note and of more importance the Germans have not raised anything about CB stealing MM to order.

 

[RichardKimble]

It has always been my belief Madeline was kidnapped for this reason, to be a loved child in a family. Male dominated LE automatically took on a pedophile sex narrative. It's possible she is alive and will eventually present herself. She may be aware something is not 'right' about her early childhood. Traumatic memories may have been buried to survive the ordeal and come to light as her ability to deal with emotions matures. It could be something as innocent as ancestry DNA or herself scrolling the internet. She'd be 20 now and gaining independence from her 'parents'.

Just because a German couple has been mentioned does not mean she is in Germany. Just as likely they may have immigrated to Portugal or perhaps Barcelona. This 'fictional' couple may have lost a child that would have been roughly Madeleines age. They may have been childless and worked for years with IVF. LE should have done inquires of this nature within the first year of her disappearance, they did not. I'd recommend looking through high school graduation photos from major cities in Germany and Spain for potential matches.

I hope she is found.

It's admirable stance but is totally at odds with the German investigation.

Madeleine McCann: ‘new evidence’ linked to suspect found, prosecutor says​

This article is more than 1 year old
German prosecutor says investigators are sure Christian Brückner killed three-year-old and have ‘new facts’

Madeleine McCann: ‘new evidence’ linked to suspect found, prosecutor says

German prosecutor says investigators are sure Christian Brückner killed three-year-old and have ‘new facts’

www.theguardian.com

 

[JB1510]

My personal opinion is that it’s possibly a 3rd hand story that Mr Ralphs got from MT and elaborated on now , particularly since Cumbrian Police have dismissed it .

 

[Hygge]

My guess is more that he didn’t want to abduct her alone and needed help and used this stories because he was aware no one would have supported him if he told the truth saying I need the girl for my nasty obsessions.
All this MM could be still alive is a wonderful thought but a nearly 4 year old girl has memories and her face was known everywhere. The BKA is absolutely sure she is dead. Sadly
MO

 

[UK Girl]

It has always been my belief Madeline was kidnapped for this reason, to be a loved child in a family. Male dominated LE automatically took on a pedophile sex narrative. It's possible she is alive and will eventually present herself. She may be aware something is not 'right' about her early childhood. Traumatic memories may have been buried to survive the ordeal and come to light as her ability to deal with emotions matures. It could be something as innocent as ancestry DNA or herself scrolling the internet. She'd be 20 now and gaining independence from her 'parents'.

Just because a German couple has been mentioned does not mean she is in Germany. Just as likely they may have immigrated to Portugal or perhaps Barcelona. This 'fictional' couple may have lost a child that would have been roughly Madeleines age. They may have been childless and worked for years with IVF. LE should have done inquires of this nature within the first year of her disappearance, they did not. I'd recommend looking through high school graduation photos from major cities in Germany and Spain for potential matches.

I hope she is found.

the BKA are positive she is dead though

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It has always been my belief Madeline was kidnapped for this reason, to be a loved child in a family. Male dominated LE automatically took on a pedophile sex narrative. It's possible she is alive and will eventually present herself. She may be aware something is not 'right' about her early childhood. Traumatic memories may have been buried to survive the ordeal and come to light as her ability to deal with emotions matures. It could be something as innocent as ancestry DNA or herself scrolling the internet. She'd be 20 now and gaining independence from her 'parents'.

Just because a German couple has been mentioned does not mean she is in Germany. Just as likely they may have immigrated to Portugal or perhaps Barcelona. This 'fictional' couple may have lost a child that would have been roughly Madeleines age. They may have been childless and worked for years with IVF. LE should have done inquires of this nature within the first year of her disappearance, they did not. I'd recommend looking through high school graduation photos from major cities in Germany and Spain for potential matches.

I hope she is found.

The police in the original investigation didn’t take on a paedo narrative. That was the position of the parents and then the focus of OG.

The stolen to order theory is hard to believe because Amelie was a better target and logistically easier to steal.

IMO, MM is dead.

 

[Zuleika]

It has always been my belief Madeline was kidnapped for this reason, to be a loved child in a family. Male dominated LE automatically took on a pedophile sex narrative. It's possible she is alive and will eventually present herself. She may be aware something is not 'right' about her early childhood. Traumatic memories may have been buried to survive the ordeal and come to light as her ability to deal with emotions matures. It could be something as innocent as ancestry DNA or herself scrolling the internet. She'd be 20 now and gaining independence from her 'parents'.

Just because a German couple has been mentioned does not mean she is in Germany. Just as likely they may have immigrated to Portugal or perhaps Barcelona. This 'fictional' couple may have lost a child that would have been roughly Madeleines age. They may have been childless and worked for years with IVF. LE should have done inquires of this nature within the first year of her disappearance, they did not. I'd recommend looking through high school graduation photos from major cities in Germany and Spain for potential matches.

I hope she is found.

Would you like to theorise how this imaginairy couple are going to present this " daughter " with let's say a birth certificate for instance ?

 

[mrjitty]

Would you like to theorise how this imaginairy couple are going to present this " daughter " with let's say a birth certificate for instance ?

I keep asking this question and get no sensible answer. Unless kept in captivity, there would be no possibility for such a person to have contact with the administrative state. Even a basic doctors visit is impossible.