Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[Denis R Tandib]

Mirror reporter.

Failings over search for missing Madeleine McCann as cops in race against time

Investigators vowed to the Mirror in 2021 that Christian Brueckner would be charged in months, but four years later they are still searching for evidence as his release date looms

www.mirror.co.uk

From this article:

“It is circumstantial evidence - there are witnesses, demonstrative evidence, forensic experts, and other types of evidence,” he admitted. “We have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act [killing] then we would not have had to make a public appeal.

“If we had a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, then obviously the same would apply. But we only have circumstantial evidence. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence."

It these kinds of comments that have caused people to think there is a photo of MM found in Breuckner’s possession.

I think what he said can equally be taken literally - no photos, no videos, no forensics, only circumstantial evidence. This also makes more sense given we haven’t progressed to a trial.

This is one of the few balanced articles on the case.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Following on from earlier discussion , about The Sun saying scent dogs also followed a trail to church ( see post #707 ) , I did find this after some browsing .
Not sure if the original news article , that included the map , still available , but perhaps there is something to what The Sun said after all ?
Unless of course this was just a speculative route that was followed by a search team , rather than an actual scent trail ?

CADAVER DOGS & SEARCHING

Photo below found on page of above link .

Maybe. However, it is also the most direct route from the OC down to the beach past the supermarket - very likely the McCann family took this route several times before 3/5.

<modsnip: Removed opinion stated as fact>

Can you help us understand what you think it ties into or why you think The Sun thought it a necessary addition?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

When they searched the Arade dam, they were looking for his gun & camcorder. Busching & Seyferth were said to have thrown them in the dam.

Finding a gun might bolster Busching & Seyferth but they need the camcorder!

New search in Madeleine McCann case sought out gun, camcorder video evidence

Recently, investigators in the 16-year mystery of missing British tot were reportedly looking for a gun and camcorder that belonged to the prime suspect.

nypost.com

My recollection is that they threw the gun into a lake… not sure it was Arade but it might have been and that HeB left the camcorder in his van which was sold or disposed of… I can’t quite remember.

 

[RichardKimble]

From this article:

“It is circumstantial evidence - there are witnesses, demonstrative evidence, forensic experts, and other types of evidence,” he admitted. “We have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act [killing] then we would not have had to make a public appeal.

“If we had a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, then obviously the same would apply. But we only have circumstantial evidence. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence."

It these kinds of comments that have caused people to think there is a photo of MM found in Breuckner’s possession.

I think what he said can equally be taken literally - no photos, no videos, no forensics, only circumstantial evidence. This also makes more sense given we haven’t progressed to a trial.

This is one of the few balanced articles on the case.

Agreed, no histrionics surrounding unseen evidence until it was, same case two different outlooks.

 

[Monic]

My recollection is that they threw the gun into a lake… not sure it was Arade but it might have been and that HeB left the camcorder in his van which was sold or disposed of… I can’t quite remember.

santa clara

 

[Denis R Tandib]

santa clara

Yes, you’re right. Unlikely they’ll find the gun in Arade then.

Whatever they were looking for in that search, it wasn’t the gun and camcorder.

 

[JB1510]

Agreed, no histrionics surrounding unseen evidence until it was, same case two different outlooks.

Histrionics? What a shameful way of putting it . Yes we were aware of the evidence before the “unseen evidence “ was made public . IMO was much worse than we expected . What we thought was only a couple of toddlers swimsuits turned out to be 75 , guns found and a document describing a black mask clad figure and a vicious sa on a mother and daughter using a rag soaked in ether.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Histrionics? What a shameful way of putting it . Yes we were aware of the evidence before the “unseen evidence “ was made public . IMO was much worse than we expected . What we thought was only a couple of toddlers swimsuits turned out to be 75 , guns found and a document describing a black mask clad figure and a vicious sa on a mother and daughter using a rag soaked in ether.

RSBM

The evidence known, formerly unseen and now seen proves that CB is a bad person - paedophile, rapist etc. we’ve known this since the appeal n 2020.

The now released evidence didn’t implicate him in any crime against MM.

It is possible for CB to be bad and not responsible for abducting and murdering MM simultaneously.

Until evidence is presented that incriminates CB, these media reports of confessions, chemicals and circumstance should be taken with a pinch of salt.

We’re being fed what the Braunschweig prosecutor wants us to hear.

 

[RichardKimble]

My recollection is that they threw the gun into a lake… not sure it was Arade but it might have been and that HeB left the camcorder in his van which was sold or disposed of… I can’t quite remember.

The article says another informant pointed to HaB and MS disposing of said items, another informant it seems not knowing their backside from their elbow.

 

[frank-cole]

Histrionics? What a shameful way of putting it . Yes we were aware of the evidence before the “unseen evidence “ was made public . IMO was much worse than we expected . What we thought was only a couple of toddlers swimsuits turned out to be 75 , guns found and a document describing a black mask clad figure and a vicious sa on a mother and daughter using a rag soaked in ether.

The box factory finds were horrible & were far more vast than imagined. “Histrionics” is an unnecessary comment & clearly not reflective of somebody’s reaction to such a significant amount of unsettling evidence that the judge refused to use

But the latest game is bait & report - “histrionics” is the bait - and now for my comment about this I will be reported.

 

[Pixie Child]

My recollection is that they threw the gun into a lake… not sure it was Arade but it might have been and that HeB left the camcorder in his van which was sold or disposed of… I can’t quite remember.

Yes, that’s what they said about the gun but maybe they buried it for him.

It might have been just videos left in the van.

Christian P got rid of 80 CD roms/tapes. So he was creating quite a lot of them.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes, that’s what they said about the gun but maybe they buried it for him.

It might have been just videos left in the van.

Christian P got rid of 80 CD roms/tapes. So he was creating quite a lot of them.

Why would they steal from him and help get him convicted and also be burying guns for him?

His ex girlfriend also cleared stuff out of his house. Were all the videos CP cleared out of criminal sexual acts?

 

[frank-cole]

Why would they steal from him and help get him convicted and also be burying guns for him?

His ex girlfriend also cleared stuff out of his house. Were all the videos CP cleared out of criminal sexual acts?

It’s interesting that the only well they searched is a well that they found a gun in (reportedly).

Perhaps it was a bit of random happenstance that the well they searched had a gun in it.

They had defined areas to search which included that 1 well. It would be interesting to know why they only searched that well & not others.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The box factory finds were horrible & were far more vast than imagined. “Histrionics” is an unnecessary comment & clearly not reflective of somebody’s reaction to such a significant amount of unsettling evidence that the judge refused to us.

But the latest game is bait & report - “histrionics” is the bait - and now for my comment about this I will be reported.

I don’t understand why it’s unsettling about the box factory evidence. It has already been reported that he had children’s swimming costumes. The only other new piece of “evidence” relating to the box factory was miscellaneous chemicals - if it was ether, why wasn’t that explicitly stated?

It’s a planned release to get exposure. There was no new information relating to the box factory and certainly nothing to connect CB to the MM case.

 

[tedtink]

From this article:

“It is circumstantial evidence - there are witnesses, demonstrative evidence, forensic experts, and other types of evidence,” he admitted. “We have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act [killing] then we would not have had to make a public appeal.

“If we had a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, then obviously the same would apply. But we only have circumstantial evidence. We have no body and no DNA but we have other evidence."

It these kinds of comments that have caused people to think there is a photo of MM found in Breuckner’s possession.

I think what he said can equally be taken literally - no photos, no videos, no forensics, only circumstantial evidence. This also makes more sense given we haven’t progressed to a trial.

This is one of the few balanced articles on the case.

It would be interesting to find a non-biased statement analyst to examine HCW's sentences. Unfortunately they are as rare as hen's teeth.

 

[frank-cole]

It would be interesting to find a non-biased statement analyst to examine HCW's sentences. Unfortunately they are as rare as hen's teeth.

“If we had a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera“. That sums up what I think they have & what their challenge is.

 

[Pixie Child]

Why would they steal from him and help get him convicted and also be burying guns for him?

His ex girlfriend also cleared stuff out of his house. Were all the videos CP cleared out of criminal sexual acts?

In 2006, they were clearing his gaff so police or others wouldn’t find incriminating items. Relations between them had changed by the time they reported him to police. Plus they were afraid he was involved with a group.

All I know is that they were ‘sex tapes’. EXCLUSIVE: I threw 80 sex tapes of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s in the bin in Praia da Luz - Olive Press News Spain

 

[thinker47]

(Excerpt from below link)
"Every time I travel to Portugal for a new search it always begins optimistically. Could police find something this time? But on every occasion it quickly becomes apparent the searches are not tightly targeted. The police work always clearly based on quite vague intelligence - or just an investigator's hunch."

Madeleine McCann: Hopes of closure fade despite fresh searches

As detectives conclude a three day search, optimism fades in Praia da Luz.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think.... either they draw a line under it all or they chase their tails forever. Can't they tag CB? That's the only thing I can think of to keep this whole investigation feasible after he's released. Unless, of course, some new witness comes up with new evidence out of left field.

JMO, obviously

 

[Lilly b]

In 2006, they were clearing his gaff so police or others wouldn’t find incriminating items. Relations between them had changed by the time they reported him to police. Plus they were afraid he was involved with a group.

All I know is that they were ‘sex tapes’. EXCLUSIVE: I threw 80 sex tapes of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s in the bin in Praia da Luz - Olive Press News Spain

Madeleine McCann suspect's friend threw 80 sex tapes owned by convicted rapist in the bin

An ex-friend was asked to help clear out the German prisoner's home in April 2006

www.gbnews.com

Same story but not behind paywall

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It would be interesting to find a non-biased statement analyst to examine HCW's sentences. Unfortunately they are as rare as hen's teeth.

It is perhaps made more difficult as he’s not a native English speaker. However, the sentence below negates photos altogether offering circumstantial evidence as the reason he is the suspect.

I do agree though, it would be good to hear what an expert thinks.

“If we had a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, then obviously the same would apply. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”