Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[Denis R Tandib]

In 2006, they were clearing his gaff so police or others wouldn’t find incriminating items. Relations between them had changed by the time they reported him to police. Plus they were afraid he was involved with a group.

All I know is that they were ‘sex tapes’. EXCLUSIVE: I threw 80 sex tapes of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s in the bin in Praia da Luz - Olive Press News Spain

It’s hard to know but it’s been reported that HeB and MS were stealing from him. Certainly, now their relationship is acrimonious.

 

[Pixie Child]

Madeleine McCann suspect's friend threw 80 sex tapes owned by convicted rapist in the bin

An ex-friend was asked to help clear out the German prisoner's home in April 2006

www.gbnews.com

Same story but not behind paywall

Tapes contained ‘considerably damaging evidence’. If only one of them had reported him to police at that time…

 

[frank-cole]

I don’t understand why it’s unsettling about the box factory evidence. It has already been reported that he had children’s swimming costumes. The only other new piece of “evidence” relating to the box factory was miscellaneous chemicals - if it was ether, why wasn’t that explicitly stated?

It’s a planned release to get exposure. There was no new information relating to the box factory and certainly nothing to connect CB to the MM case.

Very good points, Denis.

The guns, his written stories, masks, swimsuits, numbers on photos of children, children’s toys, chemicals etc - all provide the picture of the type of person he is & there are some notable overlaps. What we don’t know is almost everything that was digital.

 

[RichardKimble]

It’s hard to know but it’s been reported that HeB and MS were stealing from him. Certainly, now their relationship is acrimonious.

The article pixie posted is about Christian P, he alleged he was emptying CBs gaff when CB was doing time for the fuel theft in April 2006, so when do HeB and MS rob it, prior to the girlfriend and MP cleaning up or after.Either way it makes no sense why did MP leave the camera or sex tapes behind or why did HeB and MS leave the 60 to 80 dvds?

 

[frank-cole]

Tapes contained ‘considerably damaging evidence’. If only one of them had reported him to police at that time…

IMO - the finds at the box factory probably don’t contain the concrete evidence. But a lot of assault pictures of other victims, stories, das buch’s, information on some of his movements, etc.

I think the concrete evidence is probably from 2018.

 

[Sharkbite]

IMO - the finds at the box factory probably don’t contain the concrete evidence. But a lot of assault pictures of other victims, stories, das buch’s, information on some of his movements, etc.

I think the concrete evidence is probably from 2018.

The BKA searched AB's place in Augsburg in 2018 and 2019 I think it was. The search warrant was for 'murder'. with CB being the suspect. AB's computer that CB frequently used was confiscated along with photos, CDroms and other items belonging to CB. Some of the details of this search were made public. Maybe it was during this search in Augsburg that something was found that convinced the BKA that CB was their man.

 

[Megnut]

It is perhaps made more difficult as he’s not a native English speaker. However, the sentence below negates photos altogether offering circumstantial evidence as the reason he is the suspect.

I do agree though, it would be good to hear what an expert thinks.

“If we had a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, then obviously the same would apply. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

Circumstantial evidence is evidence.

Cases get tried on circumstantial evidence all the time. Whether it's strong evidence or admissible evidence for criminal court, that's for judges to decide.

But it's compelling enough for me.

JMO

 

[Mex]

RSBM

The evidence known, formerly unseen and now seen proves that CB is a bad person - paedophile, rapist etc. we’ve known this since the appeal n 2020.

The now released evidence didn’t implicate him in any crime against MM.

It is possible for CB to be bad and not responsible for abducting and murdering MM simultaneously.

Until evidence is presented that incriminates CB, these media reports of confessions, chemicals and circumstance should be taken with a pinch of salt.

We’re being fed what the Braunschweig prosecutor wants us to hear.

Perhaps it is a bit premature to write off the possibility of CB's culpability in MM's disappearance based on the the 'evidence' we have seen. Which does not reflect the whole picture.
Only investigators are privy to all the evidence. And they are totally convinced that CB is the man responsible for the crime against MM.
My opinion

 

[frank-cole]

The BKA searched AB's place in Augsburg in 2018 and 2019 I think it was. The search warrant was for 'murder'. with CB being the suspect. AB's computer that CB frequently used was confiscated along with photos, CDroms and other items belonging to CB. Some of the details of this search were made public. Maybe it was during this search in Augsburg that something was found that convinced the BKA that CB was their man.

Yes agree ~ that’s the 2018 search I think the concrete evidence comes from. i don’t think the concern (for MM trial) is the digital evidence from the box factory evidence being ignored in the last trial, I think the concern is that digital evidence from the room search in 2018 could be treated the same way - especially if the judge is the same. Hopefully they won’t use a matriarchal career youth court judge to hear a murder. A murder trial will require a lot of listening & a lot of patience.

 

[Mex]

(Excerpt from below link)
"Every time I travel to Portugal for a new search it always begins optimistically. Could police find something this time? But on every occasion it quickly becomes apparent the searches are not tightly targeted. The police work always clearly based on quite vague intelligence - or just an investigator's hunch."

Madeleine McCann: Hopes of closure fade despite fresh searches

As detectives conclude a three day search, optimism fades in Praia da Luz.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think.... either they draw a line under it all or they chase their tails forever. Can't they tag CB? That's the only thing I can think of to keep this whole investigation feasible after he's released. Unless, of course, some new witness comes up with new evidence out of left field.

JMO, obviously

I doubt the legality of tagging him and even if it was the recent court verdict exonerating him has cut off any such remedial measures.

 

[Anxala]

(Excerpt from below link)
"Every time I travel to Portugal for a new search it always begins optimistically. Could police find something this time? But on every occasion it quickly becomes apparent the searches are not tightly targeted. The police work always clearly based on quite vague intelligence - or just an investigator's hunch."

Madeleine McCann: Hopes of closure fade despite fresh searches

As detectives conclude a three day search, optimism fades in Praia da Luz.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think.... either they draw a line under it all or they chase their tails forever. Can't they tag CB? That's the only thing I can think of to keep this whole investigation feasible after he's released. Unless, of course, some new witness comes up with new evidence out of left field.

JMO, obviously

How would tagging him keep the investigation feasible? Either it's feasible or it's not. Surely by now it's clear that it's not? And that the BKA has run out of steam?

Apart from anything else, if he's tagged, he's not going to do anything that could/would result in him going back to jail. Not saying he shouldn't be tagged but I doubt tagging would apply to someone who's served their full sentence, as opposed to someone let out early with conditions attached.

 

[thinker47]

How would tagging him keep the investigation feasible? Either it's feasible or it's not. Surely by now it's clear that it's not? And that the BKA has run out of steam?

Apart from anything else, if he's tagged, he's not going to do anything that could/would result in him going back to jail. Not saying he shouldn't be tagged but I doubt tagging would apply to someone who's served their full sentence, as opposed to someone let out early with conditions attached.

Yes. I'm sure you're correct on all counts

JMO obviously

 

[Anxala]

Yes. I'm sure you're correct on all counts

JMO obviously

Honestly, I'm just trying to look at it objectively and just find the ongoing 'bombshell' reporting so desperate, so leak-driven, and so devoid of logic.

 

[frank-cole]

I doubt the legality of tagging him and even if it was the recent court verdict exonerating him has cut off any such remedial measures.

Yes - practically it makes sense because from the day he’s released the clock is counting down to his next victim. Legally they wouldn’t be able to tag him because in the eyes of the law he’s innocent. Presumably they have a sex offenders register in Germany & with his history & criminal record, it’s hard to imagine that he won’t be on it. Detectives, prosecutors, police officers, probation officers on the whole will be well meaning, decent people and they’ll want to protect the public, therefore I think there’ll be some type of monitoring, as there is with other sex offenders.

 

[frank-cole]

Circumstantial evidence is evidence.

Cases get tried on circumstantial evidence all the time. Whether it's strong evidence or admissible evidence for criminal court, that's for judges to decide.

But it's compelling enough for me.

JMO

Yes - that’s the reality of this. At the moment there’s a wave of media rehashing & it pulls strings, but imo things are more clinical. They are looking for a child & trying their best - I expect they’ve requested (months ago) at least 1 more search for the same region. What’s intriguing to me is that they’ve received a tip to search Atalaia area, they’ve only checked 1 well & that well had a gun in it. Maybe that’s good cause for a further operation in the same area.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Circumstantial evidence is evidence.

Cases get tried on circumstantial evidence all the time. Whether it's strong evidence or admissible evidence for criminal court, that's for judges to decide.

But it's compelling enough for me.

JMO

The important point is evidence of what.

Collecting swims suits is not a crime. Perhaps owning starter pistols isn’t either.

CSA images are a crime but what is most puzzling is that he hasn’t been charged for this offence despite many reports of 8,000 images… something is amiss.

This is evidence that CB has a sexual interest in children. But that is already established, his criminal record proves this.

This information may convince you but it a very low threshold. As we saw in the rape trials, the fact that he had visited HaB’s apartment block, and that the profiler said he was extremely dangerous did help secure a conviction.

Circumstantial evidence requires inference. What we can infer from all the information that has been leaked is that CB is a sexual criminal - hardly a revelation.

What this evidence does not infer is that CB committed a crime against MM.

 

[Megnut]

The important point is evidence of what.

Collecting swims suits is not a crime. Perhaps owning starter pistols isn’t either.

CSA images are a crime but what is most puzzling is that he hasn’t been charged for this offence despite many reports of 8,000 images… something is amiss.

This is evidence that CB has a sexual interest in children. But that is already established, his criminal record proves this.

This information may convince you but it a very low threshold. As we saw in the rape trials, the fact that he had visited HaB’s apartment block, and that the profiler said he was extremely dangerous did help secure a conviction.

Circumstantial evidence requires inference. What we can infer from all the information that has been leaked is that CB is a sexual criminal - hardly a revelation.

What this evidence does not infer is that CB committed a crime against MM.

He hasn't been arrested not tried so we can't know what evidence LE has kept close to the vest. We don't even have a PCA to pour through.

Collecting swimming suits isn't necessarily a crime, but it sure could be one, depending on how he acquired them. And layer upon layer, it could point to something far worse than garage-saling. Especially if, say, there are images of CSAM which expose a swimsuit paraphilia. It would begin to paint a picture.

Where CB has been acquitted doesn't mean he's innocent, just that the jury didn't find BARD. It's not like LE is going back to the drawing board. Knowing who did it and proving it aren't always the same.

LE didn't pluck him out of the air.

JMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

He hasn't been arrested not tried so we can't know what evidence LE has kept close to the vest. We don't even have a PCA to pour through.

Collecting swimming suits isn't necessarily a crime, but it sure could be one, depending on how he acquired them. And layer upon layer, it could point to something far worse than garage-saling. Especially if, say, there are images of CSAM which expose a swimsuit paraphilia. It would begin to paint a picture.

Where CB has been acquitted doesn't mean he's innocent, just that the jury didn't find BARD. It's not like LE is going back to the drawing board. Knowing who did it and proving it aren't always the same.

LE didn't pluck him out of the air.

JMO

It may be true that the prosecutors are playing their cards close to their chest; it may also be true that their evidence is highly circumstantial without many direct links to MM.

Here, I encourage you to think about the 2024 trial - what new evidence - of material worth - was revealed during the trial - IMO practically nothing.

Therefore, the reality of the current situation is that we have a prosecution team that has failed to obtain a conviction based on circumstantial evidence - arguably these were stronger cases than that of MM because they were given priority over that case.

Frankly, discussing CB’s legal innocence versus real guilt is putting the cart before the horse. Real proof of his guilt needs to be provided first. The strategic release of sensationalised information from the prosecutors is more indicative of a weak case than a strong one.

 

[Loobyloo]

CSA images are a crime but what is most puzzling is that he hasn’t been charged for this offence despite many reports of 8,000 images… something is amiss.

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This point puzzles me, too. Perhaps the image possession charge is being kept in reserve, in case LE need a way to keep CB in custody while the MM evidence collection/interpretation trundles on.

IMO the latest search was based on a specific tip-off. It was clearly targeted on a precise location & they finished early, having found what they wanted. The gun at the bottom of a well may not have any direct relevance to the MM case, but perhaps it confirms that their informant is reliable? That could be important if the same person also has information which *does* relate more directly to CB's involvement with MM.

 

[Dre]

I’ve been following this thread for a long time, I remain uncompelled of any actual connection between CB and MM..

With that said, there are a LOT of cases where they know who did it and what happened but can’t bring it to trial, the notion that it’s not him since they haven’t been able to bring charges is just obnoxious.

With the evidence that HAS been presented of his actions and proclivities, I hope he never gets free, I hope he is monitored, controlled, institutionalized. He’s going to offend again, and after all he’s been though, he won’t leave another living victim.
Jmo