Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[C.greek]

The reason we have trials is to test evidence and establish guilt.
Prosecutors can say anything they like, but unless it can be challenged in a court,the validity of what they say cannot be established.
That is why it is important that CB is charged with whatever crimes the prosecutors believe he has committed.

So what. Would you prefer they bring an incomplete case to court than a good one with a chance of succeeding in getting justice for MM? I don't think this should be a race against time. Jmo

 

[C.greek]

I don’t have much interest in discussing this but paying the fine forces the prosecution to legitimise their allegations if they can. If not, whatever evidence they have is questionable.

And if he has served his time for all his prior offences, legally, he has been punished!

Legally he has not been punished if he still had a fine to pay.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Legally he has not been punished if he still had a fine to pay.

It’s a minor point but based on the fine being paid.

 

[C.greek]

It’s a minor point but based on the fine being paid.

Indeed so this person helped with CB's sentence. I doubt they did that from the good of their hearts

 

[Davieson]

So what. Would you prefer they bring an incomplete case to court than a good one with a chance of succeeding in getting justice for MM? I don't think this should be a race against time. Jmo

IMO, if they haven't the evidence to take it to court now, they will never have the evidence.

 

[frank-cole]

IMO, if they haven't the evidence to take it to court now, they will never have the evidence.

IMO at some point the pressure on the Algarve will need to be lifted & no more future searches allowed unless the detail is rock solid.

Once the German’s finish I doubt there’ll be any further searches in the future

 

[Zuleika]

Basically that he might be safer in prison than out. That someone with 'revenge' in mind could organise his fine to be paid so as to have access to him. It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

PS. That may not be what @Zuleika was thinking of, of course, just my reading between the 'bigger picture' lines.

Spot on what I was thinking !

 

[Mex]

74% are killed in the first three hours.

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Around 8 million children are reported missing each year worldwide. The US accounts for 800,000 missing child cases each year. One in six runaways are likely victims of child sex trafficking.

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There are reports that CB was planning to abduct a child to sell to a childless couple. There are no reports and no evidence that MM was abused, even the prosecutor said he doesn’t know if this happened.

We can speculate but he is as likely to have trafficked her as he is to have kept he to satisfy his own desires. This is why some kind of foundation is important - otherwise it’s just fantasy.

All we can be sure of is that

• MM is missing not having been seen since May 3 2007
• CB was not questioned by Portuguese police in a sweep at the time although as a paedophile/petty criminal, he should have been
• CB’s mobile phone participated in a 30min call, activating a mast indicating the call was made in proximity to where the child disappeared
• CB was brought to the attention of MM investigators who subsequently deemed him a person of interest, followed by him being deemed by German police and prosecutors as prime suspect in the death of MM

That is what we know.

Speculation assumes that the MM investigators know a great deal more than that. Therefore it surely makes sense to exhibit patience and allow investigators to get on with the job.
Bearing in mind that as a very long running investigation approaches termination in which conclusions will be decided only on evidence built on a solid foundation leaving fantasy and speculation to those not in possession of the facts.

 

[Hexe]

• CB’s mobile phone participated in a 30min call, activating a mast indicating the call was made in proximity to where the child disappeared

The mast was in proximity of the Ocean Club. Where was the caller is not known.

 

[frank-cole]

Indeed so this person helped with CB's sentence. I doubt they did that from the good of their hearts

Not for the good in their hearts- they (plural) did it for their own benefit.

Albeit unusual to the average person & certainly foul, some of the behaviour around the public element to the MM case is fascinating. Including the reception of the prosecution & the donations to CB. Completely alien to me, therefore fascinating.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Presumably they have a sex offenders register in Germany

There is no public sex-offender registry in Germany. No way for the public to know if someone like him is living in their neighborhood.

 

[Anxala]

Spot on what I was thinking !

Looks like we watch the same movies/read the same low-life crime thrillers!

 

[frank-cole]

There is no public sex-offender registry in Germany. No way for the public to know if someone like him is living in their neighborhood.

wow. That’s terrifying

 

[ChatteringBirds]

wow. That’s terrifying

Yes. If you look up the reasons why, it has a lot to do with Germany's privacy laws. Also historical context, etc.

 

[Megnut]

I imagine CB in his prison cell, undecided on how to play it. Take credit for MM's disappearance so he can take sick satisfaction in what he did or continue in silence, taking sick satisfaction in what people don't know.

I do think he's responsible. And I think he's sadistic, both in the crime and in the aftermath. It's fear he's after, and I think he likes that people are afraid of him.

If I were a surviving victim of his, I'd be afraid, very afraid once he gets out.

He's not done.

JMO

 

[Mex]

I don’t know but perhaps legal process. No matter how depraved CB is, there are people who would think conviction before trial undermines the entire legal process.

The judge in the trial of five indictments certainly placed a lot of weight on publicity being detrimental to CB, even mentioning so in her summing up.
One wonders were he to be indicted as per the present investigation, the same defence would be as effective.

Makes one wonder is it possible for victims of crime to get a fair trial if a notorious suspect is the defendant in a high profile trial.

 

[Davieson]

I imagine CB in his prison cell, undecided on how to play it. Take credit for MM's disappearance so he can take sick satisfaction in what he did or continue in silence, taking sick satisfaction in what people don't know.

I do think he's responsible. And I think he's sadistic, both in the crime and in the aftermath. It's fear he's after, and I think he likes that people are afraid of him.

If I were a surviving victim of his, I'd be afraid, very afraid once he gets out.

He's not done.

JMO

As he has continually denied any involvement with MM, I think your first suggestion unlikely.

 

[Davieson]

There is no public sex-offender registry in Germany. No way for the public to know if someone like him is living in their neighborhood.

I don't think Germany is unique in that.

 

[frank-cole]

As he has continually denied any involvement with MM, I think your first suggestion unlikely.

Prosecutors also have to work to try & eliminate a person as being a suspect. CB was fine giving the reasons for his innocence in his letter to a ‘researcher’. If he extended his willingness to talk & co-operated, as an ‘innocent man’, pressure would quickly be lifted.

What would be unfortunate for CB & absolutely earth shattering for the ‘researcher’ is that this willingness to talk & then not to talk, could be an incriminating factor should this go to trial.

 

[Mex]

I don’t have much interest in discussing this but paying the fine forces the prosecution to legitimise their allegations if they can. If not, whatever evidence they have is questionable.

And if he has served his time for all his prior offences, legally, he has been punished!

With respect; the prosecution is already legitimate and the evidence which will be presented to the court will be questioned by the court.
There can be no prejudgement since in theory it should be confidential until then under due process.

CB is no different from any other suspect who must go through the and should be treated as such.

My opinion