Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[tedtink]

The mast was in proximity of the Ocean Club. Where was the caller is not known.

The caller was not known in 2020. We don’t know if that’s still the case or not.

 

[frank-cole]

I imagine CB in his prison cell, undecided on how to play it. Take credit for MM's disappearance so he can take sick satisfaction in what he did or continue in silence, taking sick satisfaction in what people don't know.

I do think he's responsible. And I think he's sadistic, both in the crime and in the aftermath. It's fear he's after, and I think he likes that people are afraid of him.

If I were a surviving victim of his, I'd be afraid, very afraid once he gets out.

He's not done.

JMO

Completely agree. Your concern & compassion is shared.

In some corners - who he harms next or what he’s done in the past simply does not matter. All that matters is him not being the prime suspect in the MM case.

 

[Anxala]

Yes. If you look up the reasons why, it has a lot to do with Germany's privacy laws. Also historical context, etc.

It's a fine balance, isn't it.

CB aside, I agree with Germany's privacy laws here, that they want to avoid eg. vigilante action, that they, quite rightly, don't view all sex offenders who've served their prison sentence as one lumpen, irredeemable mass of ongoing danger to the public, and understand the need for protection of those who've, through rehab, changed their ways.

It's a difficult thing to police beyond prison.

 

[Marantz4250b]

wow. That’s terrifying

I'm not sure that many countries have it. We (UK) have a sex offenders register but I'm not sure that just anyone can access it or check someone's name on it.

 

[frank-cole]

The caller was not known in 2020. We don’t know if that’s still the case or not.

Yes - we don’t know whether they’ve found the caller or not.

From comments they’ve made it seems like they have other evidence putting him the area. IMO the background of tourist videos or photos. That’s why I think he was cautious with describing his whereabouts in his letter.

Letter from prison is a freebie for the prosecution.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Yes - we don’t know whether they’ve found the caller or not.

From comments they’ve made it seems like they have other evidence putting him the area. IMO the background of tourist videos or photos. That’s why I think he was cautious with describing his whereabouts in his letter.

Letter from prison is a freebie for the prosecution.

This! His letter, his mind, his checklist to not leave a trace, his plan, but IMO naive.
I guess he ended up never writing he didn't commit the crime. He preferred to mention what (several elements) BKA does not have to incriminate him.

 

[frank-cole]

This! His letter, his mind, his checklist to not leave a trace, his plan, but IMO naive.
I guess he ended up never writing he didn't commit the crime. He preferred to mention what (several elements) BKA does not have to incriminate him.

Yes - he talked in the DM proceedings. Apparently the reason he hasn’t spoken during these trials, including for the minor offence is because any talking in court for open matters would make not talking in court for MM’s murder an incriminating factor.

What would be absolutely devastating for our money transferrer & ‘researcher’ is that his reply to *** may be that same incriminating factor. There’s more to this than I can relay in a few paragraphs. The donor is small fry but the mistake is not. Whoops!

 

[tedtink]

What would be absolutely devastating for our money transferrer & ‘researcher’ is that his reply to *** may be that same incriminating factor. There’s more to this than I can relay in a few paragraphs. The donor is small fry but the mistake is not. Whoops!

Oh deary me. Maybe the, erm, 'researcher', international woman of mystery, Ms Luvva Luvva, might be named in court if there's a trial?

JMO

 

[frank-cole]

Oh deary me. Maybe the, erm, 'researcher', international woman of mystery, Ms Luvva Luvva, might be named in court if there's a trial?

JMO

Yes - Donation was expected. MSM choosing not to name/allow it a platform. Unlikely ***’ll be a name uttered at trial but CB’s written response may be an incriminating factor should he choose to remain silent.

‘Researcher’ unknowingly helped prosecution. Whoops!

 

[wvmoonangel]

I have always felt this baby wasn't alive. I feel these bones and clothes they found is most likely hers.

Madeleine McCann police find 'clothing and bones' in latest search update

German police have sent tiny fragments of clothing and bone recovered from the search to Germany for testing in the hope of providing a forensic breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann case

www.edinburghlive.co.uk

 

[Loobyloo]

So what. Would you prefer they bring an incomplete case to court than a good one with a chance of succeeding in getting justice for MM? I don't think this should be a race against time. Jmo

That's why I wondered if potential charges for possession of indecent images were being kept in reserve. They could charge him with those offences just before he's due for release & argue that bail should be refused because he's a flight risk. That would keep him in custody pending trial on the image offences, giving them more time to improve the MM case (eg with analysis of whatever was fund in the latest search).

 

[Loobyloo]

Just a reminder of that which HCW stated.
<snip>

He told the Channel 5 programme: “We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

“I don’t know where the body is right now. If we knew, we would have found it.”

Investigators ‘have no forensic evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead

GERMAN investigators examining the disappearance of Madeleine McCann "have no forensic evidence" to suggest she is dead, despite believing that she has been killed.

www.express.co.uk

I think the wording here could be significant. It's entirely possible that they have no 'forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead' but they DO have strong evidence of some other aspect of the case, e.g. tourist photos of CB with MM (alive) or material of the sort suggested by @Megnut (fibres etc.). Such evidence wouldn't prove she was dead, but could prove that she was in his company.

 

[Loobyloo]

I have always felt this baby wasn't alive. I feel these bones and clothes they found is most likely hers.

Madeleine McCann police find 'clothing and bones' in latest search update

German police have sent tiny fragments of clothing and bone recovered from the search to Germany for testing in the hope of providing a forensic breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann case

www.edinburghlive.co.uk

It depends how much faith we put in the media reports that these were animal bones & adult clothing...

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think the wording here could be significant. It's entirely possible that they have no 'forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead' but they DO have strong evidence of some other aspect of the case, e.g. tourist photos of CB with MM (alive) or material of the sort suggested by @Megnut (fibres etc.). Such evidence wouldn't prove she was dead, but could prove that she was in his company.

No type of evidence is more important than any other type. The case below is similar to that of MM because it was a cold case, the body has never been found, and it had huge media scrutiny - the podcast “The Teacher’s Pet” is very good IMO.

In this case, a conviction was obtained without any direct, real or forensic evidence. Based on the circumstantial evidence, there was no other explanation for the victim’s disappearance other than her being killed by her husband.

Regarding the bit in bold above, how could CB possibly explain being in possession of MM. That’s a smoking gun which would almost certainly see him convicted for the crimes the prosecutor alleges. Same goes for any forensic evidence - the prosecutors don’t have this we can be certain of this.

The case as it stands is based on a theory supported by circumstantial evidence. This may be compelling, it has certainly convinced the prosecutors. However, it is not strong enough for an indictment - this is telling IMO, there are gaps that mean it’s possible CB is not responsible.

This situation doesn’t need photos or forensics, it indicates their absence is far more likely than their existence.

Chris Dawson loses appeal over conviction for murdering wife Lynette Simms in the 1980s

Chris Dawson is serving a maximum 24-year jail sentence for the murder of his first wife, Lynette Simms, more than four decades ago.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Davieson]

It depends how much faith we put in the media reports that these were animal bones & adult clothing...

Every thing we read comes to us via media reports of one sort or another.
I guess we believe what we want to and discount the rest.

 

[Davieson]

That's why I wondered if potential charges for possession of indecent images were being kept in reserve. They could charge him with those offences just before he's due for release & argue that bail should be refused because he's a flight risk. That would keep him in custody pending trial on the image offences, giving them more time to improve the MM case (eg with analysis of whatever was fund in the latest search).

In that case they could be taking a gamble, in that the the court may reject their case out of hand.
If that's their stragey, then it should have been done months ago when they lost the rape trial, because even if the appeal is successful, they would have a second set of charges in reserve.

 

[frank-cole]

That's why I wondered if potential charges for possession of indecent images were being kept in reserve. They could charge him with those offences just before he's due for release & argue that bail should be refused because he's a flight risk. That would keep him in custody pending trial on the image offences, giving them more time to improve the MM case (eg with analysis of whatever was fund in the latest search).

IMO there could be another minor offence that we don’t know about. Obviously if they’ve uncovered another crime & it’s unrelated & easily proven - like ‘possession’, firearm offences or theft, then CB would rightly be dealt with by the courts.

 

[RichardKimble]

Weapons keep getting brought up not sure where abroad is covered, so!

Weapons Act (WaffG)

 

[frank-cole]

Ha, We are not talking here about MM, these are fines for completely unrelated crimes he committed! Like beating a teenager and drink driving. Legal processes prescribe that he either pays or stays in jail for a couple of months. To have someone with no relation to CB (recalling that he had 0 defence witnesses) pay for these fines is despicable and can only be driven by 2 things : either another paedophile who lost his source or conspiracy theorists who think of CB as a patsy. And the real problem is that if it is the second category, they veil their craziness by talking about legality and preferring to pay for such a psychopath like CB to be freed Jmo.

It’s the latter. The donations are self-serving. If CB wasn’t the prime suspect in the MM case this type of behaviour would not happen. It’s about a man in a suit having the audacity to shun a movement (actually HCW is trying to solve a murder).

If these virtues & feigned concern (regarding CB’s ‘treatment’) even slightly existed in modern society, Jimmy Saville would have a new headstone & Casey Anthony a deposit on a house.

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[frank-cole]

It depends how much faith we put in the media reports that these were animal bones & adult clothing...

This was one of the most public yet most secretive searches!

It was a highly co-ordinated operation. Search areas were defined, scene management very structured, site logistics clearly pre-planned to certain times & personnel + equipment - extensive.

The Portuguese were tasked to run the perimeter, the UK were not invited into the search zone. The German’s ran the search & only utilised the Portuguese when it came to operating local machinery. For an operation this co-ordinated they would have had a plan for how they managed the information & details of what they found. “Adults clothing” may be a ruse to curb speculation.

Even if the search was unsuccessful, the way they ran it was exceptional.