Agreed that MM's abduction is likely to have been connected to the prime suspect given that he alone is the only one investigated who has not been ruled out of the very active inquiry.
Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41
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According to witness statements, the patio door was unlocked, MM could not open or close the door by herself.
The window in the bedroom was open and the shutter was raised, MM could not have done that.
She was in her bed, then she wasn't.
It's pretty obvious she was abducted IMO
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The window in the bedroom was open and the shutter was raised, MM could not have done that.
She was in her bed, then she wasn't.
It's pretty obvious she was abducted IMO
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According to Andy Redwood there were a number of incidents of a blond man seen lurking around the apartments, including on the day.
2 witnesses (that we know of) both described a man with very similar features - blond, Caucasian, scarred/pitted/pockedmarked skin on his cheeks.
CB’s facial scarring is a distinguishing characteristic. A characteristic raised twice by 2 independent witnesses. IMO the chance of this happening to be another man with the same features in the same area is in the realm of millions to one.
It’s interesting that a man who claims he was driving on the main roads staying away from police was hanging around the complex MM went missing from.
Why say you were driving around on main roads if you were not doing so? Why if he was driving on main roads would he claim that his “vehicle wasn’t seen clearly in the area” ?
A man obsessed with abducting, assaulting & killing a young blond girl just so happened to be a normal man minding his own business in the same area a little blond girl got abducted from….
I don't think it has ever appeared in the public domain as it appears the wrong image may have been sent to Leicestershire from the PJ in error in 2008.
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CT'And, humm... then I believe I saw him wearing a blue-grey T-shirt, it was not dark blue, more of a pallid colour and it was, humm... a type of blue with short sleeves, humm... but I did not see anything below, I did not see the trousers or shoes or anything else, only the top part and he would have, I would say'humm, when looking from above, he was not short, I would say he was about a 1'78, about medium height. He was not thing nor was he muscular. So he was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian. Even though I was looking upwards, he had big eyes, there is nothing else. He did not have tattoos, nothing like this, humm'a person of common appearance, it was his furtiveness that called my attention, humm, no, I can't'
DC1485'Could you give him an age'
CT'Yes, I believe so, I would say that he was between, oh he was not old, 30 to 35, I don't believe that he was older than this.
DC1485'And his aspect'
CT'It was clear, he was light-skinned, he had no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, nor bronzed from the sun, he was a light colour, not white, white but you know'humm..he was not one who was exposed to the sun.
DC1485'And when he walked, did he have any particular walk or limp'
CT'No, I never really noticed his gait as I only saw him leave the gate. He did not appear incapacitated, hum' he was merely ordinary looking, I did not really look at his walk.
DC1485'You told me he did not have tattoos; was he wearing any jewellery'
CT'No, I did not see any jewellery, no, no he did not have necklaces or rings and as far as I could tell, he did not have earrings.
...
DC'And he was well-shaven'
CT'Yes, yes.
DC1485'Yes without a beard or did you notice anything else'
CT'No, nothing from what I remember, because he was very blonde.
DC1485'Yes.
CT'But if he had a beard, I would have seen it.
DC1485'Spectacles'
CT'No, he did not have sunglasses, nor did he wear spectacles.
DC1485'He did not use sunglasses'
CT'No.
DC1485'Okay, and for how long did you think you saw him'
CT'Well, humm... the time it takes to leave, shut the gate, look to the side, look to that side, a few seconds because he did not take very long to do this, I would say that it was for a minute or something like that.
DC1485'And I know that you pointed to the map, as you know, that you were on the third floor and he was here, this is, rua estreita, as you revelead'
CT'No, no it appears, humm... it is simply long, because the apartments on the first level jut out a bit, the veranda belongs to my aunt.
...
DC1485'It seems to me that you would recognise this individual were you to see him again'
CT'Yes, I would recognize him. Don't ask me why but I know that I would.
...
DC1485'This was the photo-sketch that you reproduced'
CT'No, he did not use spectacles, but he did have this type of hair.
DC1485'Yes, I was intrigued that the reason for his sunglasses.
CT'He did not have sunglasses, he did not use spectacles and his mouth was not like this, and his nose was not like this, it is not the same person.
DC1485'Then you are telling me that this is not the photo-fit that you made'
CT'No.
DC1485'No.
CT'Because he has glasses, he did not use glasses.
Dc1485'No, but the hair is the same'
CT'The hair is right. More or less.
DC1485'I know that the image is not very good.
CT'And it appears that he has something on his chin that he did not have, humm, but the format is similar, he certainly did not use glasses, and his mouth was different.
DC1485'Okay, but the top of his...
CT'The top, his head is...
DC1485'The same.
CT'Yes.
DC1485'The format of the face is the same, the format of the mouth is the same'
CT'Well, he had a long face.
DC1485'Yes.
CT'Yes, this, this you know.
DC1485'But this is not it, this is not your photo-sketch.
CT'No, certainly it is not.
DC1485'No, it is not... okay. And the name Tasmin.
CT'Is this what they sent'
DC1485'Yes.
CT'This I made'
DC1485'Well, do you remember the name of the person who made the photo with you'
CT'No, a young person, humm...
DCc1485'Male'
CT'Yes, male, a young man, hummm.
DC1485'Tasmin, does that have any significance for you'
CT'No.
DC1485'No.
CT'From Reading.
DC1485'Yes, from Reading.
CT'I signed something, he had a CD and did everything on computer.
DC1485'Okay, sure.
CT'But this, this is not like the one he did.
DC1485'Well, there must be some confusion. I would like to finally ask you regarding your aunt, PF.
The Maddie Case Files-Carole Tranmer Rogatory Statement
Cartas Rogatoras Vol IV Pages 27 - 72 Leicestershire Police Squad Witness Statement: CJ Act 1967, s.9; MC Act 1980, ss.5'(3) e 5B; Regular Criminal Pr
Having revisited a statement made in 2008; it seems that there is no doubt that the witness was adamant she would recognise the man she saw outside apartment 5A.
One wonders if she was able to do that recently.
The Maddie Case Files-Carole Tranmer Rogatory Statement
Cartas Rogatoras Vol IV Pages 27 - 72 Leicestershire Police Squad Witness Statement: CJ Act 1967, s.9; MC Act 1980, ss.5'(3) e 5B; Regular Criminal Pr
Madeleine witness says Brueckner IS the man she saw near apartment
A nanny who looked after Maddie in the holiday resort before she disappeared recognised a photo of Christian Brueckner when she was shown it by Portuguese police.
"It comes as numerous witness statements given to police investigating Madeleine's disappearance appear to describe a man who looked similar to prime suspect Christian Brueckner.
When shown a picture of the paedophile, one British woman who was questioned by detectives at the time of the abduction, told The Sun: 'That's the man I saw.'
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Is CT still alive?I don't think it has ever appeared in the public domain as it appears the wrong image may have been sent to Leicestershire from the PJ in error in 2008.
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CT'And, humm... then I believe I saw him wearing a blue-grey T-shirt, it was not dark blue, more of a pallid colour and it was, humm... a type of blue with short sleeves, humm... but I did not see anything below, I did not see the trousers or shoes or anything else, only the top part and he would have, I would say'humm, when looking from above, he was not short, I would say he was about a 1'78, about medium height. He was not thing nor was he muscular. So he was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian. Even though I was looking upwards, he had big eyes, there is nothing else. He did not have tattoos, nothing like this, humm'a person of common appearance, it was his furtiveness that called my attention, humm, no, I can't'
DC1485'Could you give him an age'
CT'Yes, I believe so, I would say that he was between, oh he was not old, 30 to 35, I don't believe that he was older than this.
DC1485'And his aspect'
CT'It was clear, he was light-skinned, he had no freckles, he was not sunburned, he was not dark, nor bronzed from the sun, he was a light colour, not white, white but you know'humm..he was not one who was exposed to the sun.
DC1485'And when he walked, did he have any particular walk or limp'
CT'No, I never really noticed his gait as I only saw him leave the gate. He did not appear incapacitated, hum' he was merely ordinary looking, I did not really look at his walk.
DC1485'You told me he did not have tattoos; was he wearing any jewellery'
CT'No, I did not see any jewellery, no, no he did not have necklaces or rings and as far as I could tell, he did not have earrings.
...
DC'And he was well-shaven'
CT'Yes, yes.
DC1485'Yes without a beard or did you notice anything else'
CT'No, nothing from what I remember, because he was very blonde.
DC1485'Yes.
CT'But if he had a beard, I would have seen it.
DC1485'Spectacles'
CT'No, he did not have sunglasses, nor did he wear spectacles.
DC1485'He did not use sunglasses'
CT'No.
DC1485'Okay, and for how long did you think you saw him'
CT'Well, humm... the time it takes to leave, shut the gate, look to the side, look to that side, a few seconds because he did not take very long to do this, I would say that it was for a minute or something like that.
DC1485'And I know that you pointed to the map, as you know, that you were on the third floor and he was here, this is, rua estreita, as you revelead'
CT'No, no it appears, humm... it is simply long, because the apartments on the first level jut out a bit, the veranda belongs to my aunt.
...
DC1485'It seems to me that you would recognise this individual were you to see him again'
CT'Yes, I would recognize him. Don't ask me why but I know that I would.
...
DC1485'This was the photo-sketch that you reproduced'
CT'No, he did not use spectacles, but he did have this type of hair.
DC1485'Yes, I was intrigued that the reason for his sunglasses.
CT'He did not have sunglasses, he did not use spectacles and his mouth was not like this, and his nose was not like this, it is not the same person.
DC1485'Then you are telling me that this is not the photo-fit that you made'
CT'No.
DC1485'No.
CT'Because he has glasses, he did not use glasses.
Dc1485'No, but the hair is the same'
CT'The hair is right. More or less.
DC1485'I know that the image is not very good.
CT'And it appears that he has something on his chin that he did not have, humm, but the format is similar, he certainly did not use glasses, and his mouth was different.
DC1485'Okay, but the top of his...
CT'The top, his head is...
DC1485'The same.
CT'Yes.
DC1485'The format of the face is the same, the format of the mouth is the same'
CT'Well, he had a long face.
DC1485'Yes.
CT'Yes, this, this you know.
DC1485'But this is not it, this is not your photo-sketch.
CT'No, certainly it is not.
DC1485'No, it is not... okay. And the name Tasmin.
CT'Is this what they sent'
DC1485'Yes.
CT'This I made'
DC1485'Well, do you remember the name of the person who made the photo with you'
CT'No, a young person, humm...
DCc1485'Male'
CT'Yes, male, a young man, hummm.
DC1485'Tasmin, does that have any significance for you'
CT'No.
DC1485'No.
CT'From Reading.
DC1485'Yes, from Reading.
CT'I signed something, he had a CD and did everything on computer.
DC1485'Okay, sure.
CT'But this, this is not like the one he did.
DC1485'Well, there must be some confusion. I would like to finally ask you regarding your aunt, PF.
The Maddie Case Files-Carole Tranmer Rogatory Statement
Cartas Rogatoras Vol IV Pages 27 - 72 Leicestershire Police Squad Witness Statement: CJ Act 1967, s.9; MC Act 1980, ss.5'(3) e 5B; Regular Criminal Prthemaddiecasefiles.com
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Are you suggesting that only points relating to his guilt can be discussed - not sure that’s how it works.
Nothing has been proven yet.
Who are these witnesses?<modsnip: no source link/using full names of innocent people>
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TMS, CT & the other has always asked to not be named.
What has been proven is what you are inferring. MM disappeared therefore she was abducted. I don't think there is anything more to discuss about this.
Was it proven she did not wander away? Were all other possibilities excluded? Haven't heard about that.
You have CT's statement quoted in this thread a couple of posts above. Show me where does she mention pockmarked face in her description of the man she saw.
Anyway, there was never an official identification of CB as the prowler, so we cannot state as a fact it was him.
I'm afraid nothing has been proved. We're still at the stage of 'working hypothesis'
We are not allowed to consider alternatives.
In actual fact the Portuguese police carried out a very comprehensive ground search in which all probabilities were investigated.
All brigades including fire and water personnel participated and were joined by local residents including RM who landed in a lot of trouble as a direct result.
The woke and wandered scenario was most definitely investigated.
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All this they saw, she saw, he saw is all largely circumstantial along with every thing else we think we know but have never been told , and the thing about those is that unless you can prove the circumstances definitely fit nobody else, you leave room for doubt.Abduction what abduction, MM is missing that's all we know with some certainty ,the circumstances have yet to be fully explained by any LE.
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