Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

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Thanks. I says:

“After receiving a confidential reference to Christian B. in October 2013, the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) had asked the criminal police in Braunschweig for information about B., who was living there at that time.”

I wonder where the reference came from. I think it was the TV show. This caller may well be a witness.

I could be wrong, but didnt a couple of people put CB’s name forward?
The German bar convo & someone who said CB worked as a pool cleaner in PDL?

 

[Hygge]

I could be wrong, but didnt a couple of people put CB’s name forward?
The German bar convo & someone who said CB worked as a pool cleaner in PDL?

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On 16. October 2013 the case of Maddie was presented in the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY...ungelöst". Kate and Gerry McCann showed two phantom images there, together with the chief investigator of Scotland Yard. Both people had probably been near the crime scene and behaved conspicuously.

Instead of investigating, the police invited him as a witness​

It took only a few hours, when a man reported to the BKA who thought he had recognized Christian B. He stated that he had operated a pool service in Portugal with the suspect at the time of the crime. At the beginning of November, the Braunschweig criminal police checked the personal information on the instructions of the BKA - and found out that he was already on file as a sex offender. But then a serious mistake happened.

Mutmaßlicher Mörder von Maddie: Christian B. war durch Ermittlungspannen schon frühzeitig gewarnt

Recherchen des „Spiegel“ belegen folgenschwere Fehler der Polizeibehörden. Inzwischen wird Christian B. mit zwei weiteren Vermisstenfällen in Verbindung gebracht.

www.tagesspiegel.de

 

[tedtink]

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On 16. October 2013 the case of Maddie was presented in the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY...ungelöst". Kate and Gerry McCann showed two phantom images there, together with the chief investigator of Scotland Yard. Both people had probably been near the crime scene and behaved conspicuously.

Instead of investigating, the police invited him as a witness​

It took only a few hours, when a man reported to the BKA who thought he had recognized Christian B. He stated that he had operated a pool service in Portugal with the suspect at the time of the crime. At the beginning of November, the Braunschweig criminal police checked the personal information on the instructions of the BKA - and found out that he was already on file as a sex offender. But then a serious mistake happened.

Mutmaßlicher Mörder von Maddie: Christian B. war durch Ermittlungspannen schon frühzeitig gewarnt

Recherchen des „Spiegel“ belegen folgenschwere Fehler der Polizeibehörden. Inzwischen wird Christian B. mit zwei weiteren Vermisstenfällen in Verbindung gebracht.

www.tagesspiegel.de

Interesting. Worked with him ‘at the time of the crime’

 

[Mex]

Funny how the phone data comes from the alleged pj failure.

PJ missed CB's phone traffic in 2007 despite the fact he was known to them.
Proof positive lies within police files that time and resources were instead needlessly expended following the wrong investigative path.

The record is there that there was unusual traffic between the four locals later interviewed by SY - that makes it two misses. But the time and efforts made with dealing with the phone traffic of people who should have already been cleared from the inquiry such RM et al.

What's done cannot be undone but the present inquiry can learn from mistakes of the past including 'festina lente' whicg translates as 'the more hurry the less speed', if I've spelled it correctly.

 

[Lilly b]

I could be wrong, but didnt a couple of people put CB’s name forward?
The German bar convo & someone who said CB worked as a pool cleaner in PDL?

Think one was a DJ that gave his name Initials DR, it was mentioned in an old thread

 

[frank-cole]

I could be wrong, but didnt a couple of people put CB’s name forward?
The German bar convo & someone who said CB worked as a pool cleaner in PDL?

Yes 1 after a TV crime watch style programme in Germany & 1 from the bar.

Thousands of tips over the years, it would be interesting to know whether his name was put forward on more occasions, especially in 07 & 08.

 

[Anxala]

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On 16. October 2013 the case of Maddie was presented in the ZDF program "Aktenzeichen XY...ungelöst". Kate and Gerry McCann showed two phantom images there, together with the chief investigator of Scotland Yard. Both people had probably been near the crime scene and behaved conspicuously.

Instead of investigating, the police invited him as a witness​

It took only a few hours, when a man reported to the BKA who thought he had recognized Christian B. He stated that he had operated a pool service in Portugal with the suspect at the time of the crime. At the beginning of November, the Braunschweig criminal police checked the personal information on the instructions of the BKA - and found out that he was already on file as a sex offender. But then a serious mistake happened.

Mutmaßlicher Mörder von Maddie: Christian B. war durch Ermittlungspannen schon frühzeitig gewarnt

Recherchen des „Spiegel“ belegen folgenschwere Fehler der Polizeibehörden. Inzwischen wird Christian B. mit zwei weiteren Vermisstenfällen in Verbindung gebracht.

www.tagesspiegel.de

It's all still supposition though, that the screw up by the Braunscheig police has significance beyond its own screw up when, in cold light of day reality, it really doesn't.

It's full of 'would have, could have, might have' speculation on the part of the BKA as to how CB might have reacted to and responded to being linked to MM. With no show whatsoever as to what CB did or might have done to 'cover his tracks'. His alleged tracks.

It's, as ever with the way this case has gone, telling us much more about the screw-up than it is about CB.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey folks,

This post lands at random.

If you want a link for something, please be courteous and ask the OP for one instead of jumping the gun and Reporting within 3 minutes and expecting Mods to do something about it. Ask for the link and give the other member enough time to respond. (Heck, they just might be doing something else in real life, like grocery shopping, watching a movie, or ??? and not see your request for a few hours.)

 

[C.greek]

It's all still supposition though, that the screw up by the Braunscheig police has significance beyond its own screw up when, in cold light of day reality, it really doesn't.

It's full of 'would have, could have, might have' speculation on the part of the BKA as to how CB might have reacted to and responded to being linked to MM. With no show whatsoever as to what CB did or might have done to 'cover his tracks'. His alleged tracks.

It's, as ever with the way this case has gone, telling us much more about the screw-up than it is about CB.

I believe this post you responded was actually about when the first witnesses came forward and when CB came into BKA 's attention for the first time

 

[C.greek]

I would like to go back to discussing the GPS, as I am quite intrigued and your sleuthing is great! Since it is possible that this is how they know CB went to the dam the days following MM's disappearance (and perhaps they could corroborate that by the pictures shown on the documentary- as was mentioned), could this be inadmissible? As in found in the box factory in the 'illegal' search, or was it found in the second legitimate search there? Or is all evidence from there inadmissible? Could that same GPS have taken them to the latest search area, and what they wanted was to corroborate him being there with what the witness told them, so that they could use the witness's statement ? Because it must have some significance!

 

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I would like to go back to discussing the GPS, as I am quite intrigued and your sleuthing is great! Since it is possible that this is how they know CB went to the dam the days following MM's disappearance (and perhaps they could corroborate that by the pictures shown on the documentary- as was mentioned), could this be inadmissible? As in found in the box factory in the 'illegal' search, or was it found in the second legitimate search there? Or is all evidence from there inadmissible? Could that same GPS have taken them to the latest search area, and what they wanted was to corroborate him being there with what the witness told them, so that they could use the witness's statement ? Because it must have some significance!

According to CB/NF he drove back from Tomar on May 3. I wonder if he used the GPS on that journey and that's why BKA, along with the phone data, can place him so close to 5A?

The phone mast range has been dissected over and over, HCW was irritated on the Aus Podcast when he was pressed by MS-(onoko), yet somehow they know he was no more than 5 mins away from 5a, or 'at the scene' in other reports.

Mobile phone data 'reveals where suspect was' when Madeleine McCann vanished

Christian Brueckner has repeatedly denied any involvement in the case.

metro.co.uk

 

[tedtink]

I think this is also confirmed by his fling with the teenage girl and the pepper spray document he signed at Faro Airport… I’m a bit sketchy on the airport an date but I think it might have been 5/3.

MWT ...

"He is saying that on the 10th of May he took this young girl to the airport because she was leaving the country. Whilst she was there, she was stopped for carrying pepper spray. There is a document which puts that date connected to her, with her name at the airport. But Christian B is not mentioned in the police record, so it cannot verify his location."

No access outside UK

 

[Denis R Tandib]

MWT ...

"He is saying that on the 10th of May he took this young girl to the airport because she was leaving the country. Whilst she was there, she was stopped for carrying pepper spray. There is a document which puts that date connected to her, with her name at the airport. But Christian B is not mentioned in the police record, so it cannot verify his location."

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Perfect, thanks. He stayed in the area for a while then and the gps will give some indication of his movements.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

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Not saying this to be a dick but I do think a circumstantial case is based on a narrative. It’s a story based on facts that makes any other way the crime could be committed impossible.

In this instance, it’s possible for the sat nav to indicate he was heading in the direction of PDL but then a gap during the critical time period.

If the link below is to be believed, they have him heading from somewhere to this place 12km from PDL, stationary for six hours, then his onward journey.

It seems likely that he was in or around PDL before this stop and if so bingo! It’s another part of the story.

However, the sat nav will also likely show that he was travelling in and around these areas at all hours every other day - he lived there and committed crime there… even in one of his letters he mentioned travelling at night on back roads or similar… that might be incriminating.

No doubt the BKA’s story puts him in the frame across different pieces of evidence - cell phone data, sat nav trips, emails etc. But, I think there are alternative, equally compelling, narratives that can also explain when, where and why he was at these places.

It might be worthwhile us listing all the evidence we think they have on him and then looking at these more closely to see if we can put some more of the pieces together.

“She was there for 6 hours”: satellite data uncovers an unmarked stop made by Christian Brueckner between 2:41 AM and 8:56 AM — 12 km from where Madeleine McCann vanished - News

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the three-year-old British toddler who vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007,

newstvseries.com

 

[Denis R Tandib]

According to CB/NF he drove back from Tomar on May 3. I wonder if he used the GPS on that journey and that's why BKA, along with the phone data, can place him so close to 5A?

The phone mast range has been dissected over and over, HCW was irritated on the Aus Podcast when he was pressed by MS-(onoko), yet somehow they know he was no more than 5 mins away from 5a, or 'at the scene' in other reports.

Mobile phone data 'reveals where suspect was' when Madeleine McCann vanished

Christian Brueckner has repeatedly denied any involvement in the case.

metro.co.uk

I had the same thought. I reckon the sat nav shows he went nowhere near Tomar so he lied to NF. Might be incriminating but I would be surprised if either ever told the truth to one another. We know he was also have relations with the teenager that week.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I would like to go back to discussing the GPS, as I am quite intrigued and your sleuthing is great! Since it is possible that this is how they know CB went to the dam the days following MM's disappearance (and perhaps they could corroborate that by the pictures shown on the documentary- as was mentioned), could this be inadmissible? As in found in the box factory in the 'illegal' search, or was it found in the second legitimate search there? Or is all evidence from there inadmissible? Could that same GPS have taken them to the latest search area, and what they wanted was to corroborate him being there with what the witness told them, so that they could use the witness's statement ? Because it must have some significance!

I don’t think we know if any of the box factory evidence is admissible - I lean towards non of it being allowed in the last trial. If it was, statements saying they had the same evidence from his email account would be unnecessary.

I think the gps puts him somewhere in or around PDL. The latest search area surrounded his farm house which was walking distance from the town centre.

Putting some of this together, it seems likely they have him in PDL on 3/5 before the disappearance window and they have travel on the sat nav afterwards ultimately to the location 12km away.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It was Bilton of the Beeb and his hairy Mic in a 10 yr 2017 Panorama special .


44 minutes in.

Hmmm, investigated for three years, witnesses saying they were involved and cell data showing they were there at the time. I do wonder how things would have gone with these suspects under the same appeal and media exposure.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Think one was a DJ that gave his name Initials DR, it was mentioned in an old thread

DR or DS - I can’t remember but thought was the popular Portuguese surname beginning with S?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

DR or DS - I can’t remember but thought was the popular Portuguese surname beginning with S?

This is who I mean:

Mystery called who spoke to Madeleine McCann suspect is named

Police are working to locate and interview Diogo Silva to see what he might know about Christian Brueckener's movements on the night Madeleine went missing.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lilly b]

This is who I mean:

Mystery called who spoke to Madeleine McCann suspect is named

Police are working to locate and interview Diogo Silva to see what he might know about Christian Brueckener's movements on the night Madeleine went missing.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Riviera I think that's how it's spelt