Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[tedtink]

I thought so, but in fact I was double-checking and I think he referred "van"...
In any case, Jag re-registering could suggest it was used somehow that night.

Van (if not nearby, walk to, in a easy exit): PdL-Atalaia, Jag: Atalaia-Arade or only Jag.

If the Sun's translation of the 'stories' is to be trusted it seems he mentions both van and car.

"When she came to the car with her little daughter in her hand and opened the back door I was already standing behind the two of them,holding a rag soaked in ether. I forcefully pushed it into the woman's face. At first she fought hard but I held her tight. The girl sat in the car and watched me with wide, horrified eyes. When everything was done and the two bodies were hidden in the darkness I got my van, loaded up my loot and drove away.

"I jump in and pick up the shaking bundle, big scared eyes look at me, I carry her out of the car, close the doors and walk her into the house, after I closed this door too, I thought to myself, welcome to paradise."

In another story he imagines a blond haired girl of four being presented to him to abuse. "I look excitedly at the door, a very small girl enters the room, she's definitely not older than five. Blonde long hair tied in pigtails, bounces cheekily back and forth as she comes towards me. This is Maid Anelie, she is four years old, I feel like I'm in paradise right now."

 

[tedtink]

There are certainly truths hiding in there! I would be interested to know how the crimes in his horror stories end.

Absolutely!
We also know there is so much graphic detail in them that cannot be published. Some huge clues in those texts imo.
Stories grounded in reality with a touch of fantasy IMO

 

[Davieson]

I think it worthwhile to point out that none of us know when MM died - it mighy have been hours or days after she disappeared - so there may have been no urgency to dispose of the body.

 

[Davieson]

Absolutely!
We also know there is so much graphic detail in them that cannot be published. Some huge clues in those texts imo.
Stories grounded in reality with a touch of fantasy IMO

If it is evidence to be relied on, one would not expect any of it to be publicised ahead of a trial.

 

[C.greek]

If it is evidence to be relied on, one would not expect any of it to be publicised ahead of a trial.

You mean the stories in general? Because if so, then the same would apply with his van, car, mobile etc - things that have been presented as identifying details in the appeal and I don't think they would not use them if the case reaches that stage

 

[Davieson]

You mean the stories in general? Because if so, then the same would apply with his van, car, mobile etc - things that have been presented as identifying details in the appeal and I don't think they would not use them if the case reaches that stage

Much of that has no demonstrable link with MM and may well not be used in any trial for that very reason..
IMO

 

[C.greek]

Much of that has no demonstrable link with MM and may well not be used in any trial for that very reason..
IMO

Well we don't know that

 

[Davieson]

Well we don't know that

We don't know the truth of the matter either way, so it is all down to opinion and conjecture.

 

[C.greek]

We don't know the truth of the matter either way, so it is all down to opinion and conjecture.

So it is good to sleuth this as it is a piece of evidence which might help

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I suppose if someone really really wants to do something, no matter the consequences, they will
Just look at the current Bryan K case

Sorry, honestly I know nothing about BK case.
Here on MM I think something caught his attention that week and he may have had time enough to prepare it all even if simple.

 

[Davieson]

So it is good to sleuth this as it is a piece of evidence which might help

Agreed as long as it isn't treat as irrefutable .

 

[C.greek]

Agreed as long as it isn't treat as irrefutable .

That he wrote these stories is irrefutable. We try to see how much they might help us in understanding what happened to MM. Why ignore them altogether?

 

[frank-cole]

If it is evidence to be relied on, one would not expect any of it to be publicised ahead of a trial.

They’d probably summarise when announcing charges.
In which case the public will know what the non-forensic material evidence is.

 

[frank-cole]

If the Sun's translation of the 'stories' is to be trusted it seems he mentions both van and car.

"When she came to the car with her little daughter in her hand and opened the back door I was already standing behind the two of them,holding a rag soaked in ether. I forcefully pushed it into the woman's face. At first she fought hard but I held her tight. The girl sat in the car and watched me with wide, horrified eyes. When everything was done and the two bodies were hidden in the darkness I got my van, loaded up my loot and drove away.

"I jump in and pick up the shaking bundle, big scared eyes look at me, I carry her out of the car, close the doors and walk her into the house, after I closed this door too, I thought to myself, welcome to paradise."

In another story he imagines a blond haired girl of four being presented to him to abuse. "I look excitedly at the door, a very small girl enters the room, she's definitely not older than five. Blonde long hair tied in pigtails, bounces cheekily back and forth as she comes towards me. This is Maid Anelie, she is four years old, I feel like I'm in paradise right now."

Apparently there are a lot more stories.

Abducting, assaulting & killing a blond girl in this story. Abducting, assaulting & killing a little girl in the Skype chat.

And he’s under investigation for abducting, assaulting & killing a little girl.

Nothing in this case is remotely as significant as those 2 stories.Correct me if I’m wrong but there is no example from over the past 18 years of MM debate that stacks up this. This can’t be trumped & this isn’t even the concrete evidence.

IMO the simplicity confuses.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

After reading that terrible story and his descent to paradise, that someone should send him to paradise permanently. He is a monster that needs to be treated like a rabid dog.

I can understand why the Germans want to keep him locked up.

 

[frank-cole]

After reading that terrible story and his descent to paradise, that someone should send him to paradise permanently. He is a monster that needs to be treated like a rabid dog.

I can understand why the Germans want to keep him locked up.

It’s horrifying. He’s a man who bragged about abducting, assaulting & killing a little girl!

I think the children have a right to be safe & should be the most protected humans. CB is a danger to their safety. A big danger.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I think these stories could be him reliving the crime, adding more to it, and possibly fantasising what he could have done more (possibly MM did not last as long as he would have wanted and discussed in this chat). I think it is very important to look at those details. There are certainly truths hiding in there! I would be interested to know how the crimes in his horror stories end.

This! Same thoughts.

As that chat message "catch something small and use it for days" - something he may have tried before but was not able to (or panicked at the time?!). HCW always said MM died quickly in Portugal.

Even if he is not charged, BKA may be releasing the stories and any additional info they have to the public, later. In any case IMO they will try to add some weight to what they already have, not giving up (yet).

 

[frank-cole]

This! Same thoughts.

As that chat message "catch something small and use it for days" - something he may have tried before but was not able to (or panicked at the time?!). HCW always said MM died quickly in Portugal.

Even if he is not charged, BKA may be releasing the stories and any additional info they have to the public, later. In any case IMO they will try to add some weight to what they already have, not giving up (yet).

I think you’re bob on with that. IMO he has enjoyed reliving his crime & talking about it to other p*******. It’s his secret & he probably revelled in keeping it from the other person yet describing what he did. I doubt there’ll have many examples where he mentions MM by name, but I am certain his search history, an obsession with following the news of the case & many of pictures of MM & her family, will show a man obsessively invested in & keeping tabs on the case.

 

[tedtink]

It’s horrifying. He’s a man who bragged about abducting, assaulting & killing a little girl!

I think the children have a right to be safe & should be the most protected humans. CB is a danger to their safety. A big danger.

This! Same thoughts.

As that chat message "catch something small and use it for days" - something he may have tried before but was not able to (or panicked at the time?!). HCW always said MM died quickly in Portugal.

Even if he is not charged, BKA may be releasing the stories and any additional info they have to the public, later. In any case IMO they will try to add some weight to what they already have, not giving up (yet).

I think you’re bob on with that. IMO he has enjoyed reliving his crime & talking about it to other p*******. It’s his secret & he probably revelled in keeping it from the other person yet describing what he did. I doubt there’ll have many examples where he mentions MM by name, but I am certain his search history, an obsession with following the news of the case & many of pictures of MM & her family, will show a man obsessively invested in & keeping tabs on the case.

Yes, yes and yes again.
Writing fantasy/reality - A documented 'trophy'.

jmo

 

[frank-cole]

Yes, yes and yes again.
Documenting fantasy and reality - The written 'trophy'.

jmo

I think they’ll have evidence of this. He has an obsessive character & hoards heavily. Why have 1 swimsuit when you can have 75…