Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #5

[Ardoch]

This report by The Independant is going a bit further re HCW's statement.
Maddie is dead: German prosecutors tell McCanns by letter

"Mr Wolters played down the significance of the Jaguar despite Scotland Yard appealing for information about it.
He said the car was in Germany when Madeleine went missing and information about it was released only to jog memories. (mb) "The vehicles are not of direct interest for the Madeleine case," he said."

My understanding is that they released certain details to jog people's memory and to say enough to encourage those people to come forward. To achieve that balance they had to release dramatic details but keep a lot of it back in order not to jeopardise the case. imo I hope it's a strategy that works.

 

[tedtink]

Is there a chance they’re discussing “concrete evidence” so secretly because CB has access to online media? Are they actually just smoking him out?

Possibly but I doubt he has internet access, although he lawyers could be relating the info back to him.
We have to remember that under that bravado and the face CB presents, his own defence mechanisms are protecting a very petrified, insecure, depraved human being, which is extremely difficult to break, but not impossible.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

Sky News have just said that a German Prosecutor HAS written to the McCanns, saying he has 'concrete evidence' that their daughter is deceased. He cannot release what that information is since it has yet to be put to CB. He must withhold the evidence from the McCanns for fear of them sharing or leaking any info with them telling family or friends. In other words, he does not want to jeopardise any future prosecution against CB. I personally do not believe that German Officials would release such news if it were not true! The fact that they say there is a chance she is still alive, it has to be said, is in relation to the fact that they have not recovered a body. In time, the information will be released. X

 

[Armchair_Defective]

the reports out of australia dont mince words. They say that German police have sent a letter to the McCanns advising that their daughter is dead.
Not 'German police suggest or think or implied or hinted'...

You don't get my meaning. The police could be 99.9% sure based on their experience of similar crimes, it doesn't mean they have a single piece of evidence that shows the fact...as in the Claudia Lawrence case.

'We still have evidence-based evidence that the suspect killed Madeleine McCann. So this is not my private opinion, but the result of the previous investigation'

 

[Ardoch]

MM is going to get the justice she deserves. I just hope they keep the details of what abuse happened out of the public eye. Even if CB gets off any charge. There is no way he will be safe in public ever again. Game set and match.

I hope so too.
The last case I followed was Alesha MacPhail/AC. They kept most of the harrowing details out of the public eye for that.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

IMO the german prosecutor is unlikely to care much about what the parent's lawyer thinks. Otherwise he would have had them on board from the start.

But this is precisely why I query what the hell is going on. Anyone knows this case unleashes a tabloid shitstorm, but the german prosecutor doesn't seem to have his friends in the Met or the parents looped in

I agree, I was being diplomatic in case anyone saw it as unfair criticism of the parents. What I mean is they will kick up a fuss if they don't see the details of the evidence, they are litigious as everyone must know by now.

 

[Miya]

Sky News have just said that a German Prosecutor HAS written to the McCanns, saying he has 'concrete evidence' that their daughter is deceased. He cannot release what that information is since it has yet to be put to CB. He must withhold the evidence from the McCanns for fear of them sharing or leaking any info with them telling family or friends. In other words, he does not want to jeopardise any future prosecution against CB. I personally do not believe that German Officials would release such news if it were not true! The fact that they say there is a chance she is still alive, it has to be said, is in relation to the fact that they have not recovered a body. In time, the information will be released. X

Yep, it they find enough evidence or proof and it goes to trial, then the public will hear everything. But until then there will be crickets - apart from what the public was told already.

 

[Tim N]

You don't get my meaning. The police could be 99.9% sure based on their experience of similar crimes, it doesn't mean they have a single piece of evidence that shows the fact...as in the Claudia Lawrence case.

'We still have evidence-based evidence that the suspect killed Madeleine McCann. So this is not my private opinion, but the result of the previous investigation'

i get it completely. Which is why i posted the quote.
99.9% is not concrete evidence.
they have stated that she is dead and they have evidence. concrete evidence. the language has changed just today.

 

[Ardoch]

Regarding the last couple of posts - anyone know how in-depth the German media are on reporting the facts after trial in cases such as this?

 

[mrjitty]

You don't get my meaning. The police could be 99.9% sure based on their experience of similar crimes, it doesn't mean they have a single piece of evidence that shows the fact...as in the Claudia Lawrence case.

'We still have evidence-based evidence that the suspect killed Madeleine McCann. So this is not my private opinion, but the result of the previous investigation'

Yes - and this is my beef with the tabloid shitstorm

i mean I also find it "klar" she is dead, and i have no forensic info beyond the PJ files.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Sky News have just said that a German Prosecutor HAS written to the McCanns, saying he has 'concrete evidence' that their daughter is deceased. He cannot release what that information is since it has yet to be put to CB. He must withhold the evidence from the McCanns for fear of them sharing or leaking any info with them telling family or friends. In other words, he does not want to jeopardise any future prosecution against CB. I personally do not believe that German Officials would release such news if it were not true! The fact that they say there is a chance she is still alive, it has to be said, is in relation to the fact that they have not recovered a body. In time, the information will be released. X

Oh how heartbreaking

 

[tedtink]

I don't think you are being naive. I've been reading about this case since the beginning and I don't see how with the checks the parents and friends were doing that it's likely someone got in there and wasn't heard. Either the times they gave are not right, or no abductor was in their IMO.

What are you the

IMO the german prosecutor is unlikely to care much about what the parent's lawyer thinks. Otherwise he would have had them on board from the start.

But this is precisely why I query what the hell is going on. Anyone knows this case unleashes a tabloid shitstorm, but the german prosecutor doesn't seem to have his friends in the Met or the parents looped in

Maybe this whole press shitstorm is actually being coordinated on purpose by the 3 LE authorities?
Perhaps we’re all being played?
It maybe a tactic in order to break CB?
They know that the Media have been so involved in this case from the start and have harnessed it.
They know he got angry & irritated by a employee & shouted “the child is dead”, so they already have a hook into his behaviour.
His Lawyers are probably relaying all this info back to him- is it being coordinated to provoke a reaction from CB?

 

[Tim N]

this is frustrating..they have sent a letter saying that they have concrete evidence that not only is she dead, but that CB killed her.
Theyve even gone so far as to say that they cant share the details publicly.
Everything has been speculation and soft language until now, so i understand the theories and speculation but that was when there wasnt an official letter. i dont get what the debate here is. We dont need to speculate anymore.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

i get it completely. Which is why i posted the quote.
99.9% is not concrete evidence.
they have stated that she is dead and they have evidence. concrete evidence. the language has changed just today.

No. I disagree. Where has the prosecutor used the words 'concrete'. It seems to have come from the Daily Mail and the '100%' came from The sun
The German press are questioning where the UK media ( like the Sun) are getting their info from. There also don't seem to be any reports of sending the McCanns a letter in the German press.

 

[mrjitty]

I just checked back to thread 1

The German prosecutor broke this as a murder inquiry two weeks ago. i.e. that prosecutors have belief beyond any reasonable possibility that MM is dead and have high conviction CB did it.

There truly is nothing new here. Just sound and light.

 

[jbinator]

this is frustrating..they have sent a letter saying that they have concrete evidence that not only is she dead, but that CB killed her.
Theyve even gone so far as to say that they cant share the details publicly.
Everything has been speculation and soft language until now, so i understand the theories and speculation but that was when there wasnt an official letter. i dont get what the debate here is. We dont need to speculate anymore.

Agreed.
Two questions remaining.
Is this crime and CB part of a bigger ring?
Are there more victims/crimes.

while not as high profile, It wouldn’t surprise me if other families have received a letter for there missing children with concrete evidence they are dead.

Bound to be more videos/pictures.

 

[Dlk79]

No. I disagree. Where has the prosecutor used the words 'concrete'. It seems to have come from the Daily Mail and the '100%' came from The sun
The German press are questioning where the UK media ( like the Sun) are getting their info from. There also don't seem to be any reports of sending the McCanns a letter in the German press.

Der Westen have reported on the letter but they quote the Sun as the source.

 

[Tim N]

No. I disagree. Where has the prosecutor used the words 'concrete'. It seems to have come from the Daily Mail and the '100%' came from The sun
The German press are questioning where the UK media ( like the Sun) are getting their info from. There also don't seem to be any reports of sending the McCanns a letter in the German press.

ok mate. you cant be looking very hard because i found multiple sources quoting what i posted verbatim.

 

[Victoria Chambers]

The McCanns are intelligent people. I know it has been a long time and everybody is sympathetic of that fact. But the McCsnns know better than anybody that if they have any chance of charges being brought against CB, then it lies in their patience at this stage. And I think that the words used by the German Prosecutor in this letter imply this is serious info at a critical time in this investigation. The McCanns will be angry and probably would not leak the info. But it has to be withheld for the sake of prosecution. I really hope the McCanns can accept this News as being "almost there!" So to speak. And hopefully, soon, the truth will be revealed. Also, I pray it be Gods Will for Madeleine to be delivered back home to her family For them to finally come to terms with the facts of this nightmare. X

 

[Armchair_Defective]

this is frustrating..they have sent a letter saying that they have concrete evidence that not only is she dead, but that CB killed her.
Theyve even gone so far as to say that they cant share the details publicly.
Everything has been speculation and soft language until now, so i understand the theories and speculation but that was when there wasnt an official letter. i dont get what the debate here is. We dont need to speculate anymore.

It is frustrating but there are clearly problems with what is being translated by the UK press. On at least one occasion the prosecutor has completely disowned quotes attributed to him and said 'I didn't say that'.