Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #5

[Miya]

Being 'profiled' and being evaluated by a psychiatrist are two very different things.

'Profilers at the BKA describe him in their report as a psychopath who is capable of anything. A man who nevertheless – or precisely because of this – had a charismatic aura and impressed the people around him. Most felt exploited, taken for a ride and cheated afterward.

They paint a picture of a manipulative narcissist who could appear charming, but was only trying to get money he would never pay back or sexual gratification.'

A criminal profiler develops a psychological profile of a suspect based on the evidence available.

IE- They don't speak to the individual.

A psychiatrist will evaluate the actual psychopathology of CB - to my knowledge this hasn't been done, but please provide a link if you feel that it has?

Link posted above and like I said, I posted this a few days ago as well. I'm getting a bit annoyed because people don't actually seem to follow this thread.

We were also not talking about profiling him, it was about the question if he could try to fake mental illness to get out of all this somehow and then I said they already know that he is a psychopath with pedo tendencies.

 

[Bit of hope]

This item by The Independent is strange. What do they mean with: Hans Christian Wolters confirmed he sent the letter to Kate and Gerry McCann but said he was unable to explain why his officers had come to that conclusion. ??
Bad translation of some sort??

Very bad wording. Like this it sounds like Wolters doesn't have a clue what his officers are doing.... what is not the case off course.

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Madeleine McCann parents: Reports we received letter from German authorities about her death 'false'

The parents of Madeleine McCann say reports they have received a letter from German authorities stating that Madeleine is dead are "false".

In a statement, Kate and Gerry McCann said the "unsubstantiated stories" had "caused unnecessary anxiety to friends and family and once again disrupted our lives".

"The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE," they wrote.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Yes exactly

There is no new info here if we examine his statements in the last 24 hours

If he could prove CB did the murder he would charge him but actually he can't prove it right now

what i don't understand, is why the german prosecutor is continually doing press conferences, if there is no new info to disseminate.

especially as he is apparently being mistranslated, misquoted, and having statements published that he didn't even say.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

Very bad wording. Like this it sounds like Wolters doesn't have a clue what his officers are doing.... what is not the case off course.

Not if you go back to what he was saying about the UK press not understanding the German legal system. They may suspect a murder and that's all they need to open a 'murder' case. The McCanns are obviously not happy because ( as they have shown in the past) they are not happy with police forces claiming Madeleine is dead.

 

[SouthAussie]

what i don't understand, is why the german prosecutor is continually doing press conferences, if there is no new info to disseminate.

especially as he is apparently being mistranslated, misquoted, and having statements published that he didn't even say.

I would say it is because they need help, they need tips, they need someone(s) to help them gain the evidence that they need.

The biggest thing for parents of a missing child is to keep their child in the media, to keep their profile widely seen - so that someone may come forward if their circumstances have changed and they now want to say what they know.
It is a struggle for most parents of missing children to achieve this. imo

 

[Ardoch]

Link posted above and like I said, I posted this a few days ago as well. I'm getting a bit annoyed because people don't actually seem to follow this thread.

We were also not talking about profiling him, it was about the question if he could try to fake mental illness to get out of all this somehow and then I said they already know that he is a psychopath with pedo tendencies.

Thank you for posting the video - again unfortunately, my German isn't that good to understand it.
In trying to understand a criminal, you dip your toes into what makes a person do this and I'm certainly no expert in mental health by any means. I'm sure this topic will be debated further. As far as not following the thread - I don't know about anyone else, but it's a tricky one to keep up with!

 

[Bit of hope]

Being 'profiled' and being evaluated by a psychiatrist are two very different things.

'Profilers at the BKA describe him in their report as a psychopath who is capable of anything. A man who nevertheless – or precisely because of this – had a charismatic aura and impressed the people around him. Most felt exploited, taken for a ride and cheated afterward.

They paint a picture of a manipulative narcissist who could appear charming, but was only trying to get money he would never pay back or sexual gratification.'

A criminal profiler develops a psychological profile of a suspect based on the evidence available.

IE- They don't speak to the individual.

A psychiatrist will evaluate the actual psychopathology of CB - to my knowledge this hasn't been done, but please provide a link if you feel that it has?

You are right. He seems to have been profiled by Mark T. Hofmann.

I don't think there was a psyciatric evaluation recently, but I think in the past possibly people have evaluated him, him being a troubled kid with behavioral problems in an institution.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Or, the way I read it, there is a letter .... but it does not say that there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead.

As the McCann's spokesperson has said there is a letter, I think that there is one.
I can imagine that the police have extended the courtesy to Madeleine's parents of telling them about Bruckner before they had their press conference.

the statement clearly says - "Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson"

 

[Dlk79]

I wish we could have recordings of every comment coming from the LE. Seems to be a lot getting lost in translation or being sensationalised. What's annoying is there are almost certainly a lot of correct infomation mixed in with it but it's becoming harder to establish which bits are true. The thing about the Jag being in Germany prior to MM abduction is probably true but that loses its credibility when other parts of the same article are disputed.

Regarding the letter, I'm thinking now HCW was simply referring to a letter sent right at the start of the investigation saying that they were treating it as a Murder but couldn't divulge the full reasons for that, possibly in response to a question about the McCann's and Alves recent pleas for proof. I.e. he was just re-iterating he cannot/wont make that evidence public and has already told them that in a letter. He's possibly gone on to make other statements about the Jag and concrete evidence and that neither SY and PJ have been shown it yet. The reporters have then gone to town with it, either through misunderstaning what he meant or to sensationalise what he actually said.

 

[Bit of hope]

In the video description. And I posted this before a few days ago.

Sorry, @Miya...I posted it again...didn't see you posting it....

 

[tedtink]

Link posted above and like I said, I posted this a few days ago as well. I'm getting a bit annoyed because people don't actually seem to follow this thread.

We were also not talking about profiling him, it was about the question if he could try to fake mental illness to get out of all this somehow and then I said they already know that he is a psychopath with pedo tendencies.

I've just tried to make the distinction to make it easier to understand for you.
Yes, there is a possibility he could fake, or even have, a mental illness, for instance Schizophrenia, schizoid effective disorder, any disorder in which he claims to have been psychotic.
There has always been a question over Peter Sutcliffes (Yorkshire Riper) mental state regarding his schizophrenia.
But, as I say, until there is a psychiatrists evaluation we won't find out.

 

[sleuth-d-]

"Clarence Mitchell, the McCann family spokesman, told The Sun that the letter had been sent but added: “Kate and Gerry simply do not comment on private correspondence received from police and nor will they be giving a running commentary."

Madeleine McCann's parents 'sent letter by police confirming she is dead'

and yet, they have commented

 

[findmollie]

and yet, they have commented

Madeleine McCann parents deny receiving letter from German officials saying she is dead

 

[Edinlass]

Can we just give it up about what ‘he’ is and agree he is a maniac!

 

[Miya]

You are right. He seems to have been profiled by Mark T. Hofmann.

I don't think there was a psyciatric evaluation recently, but I think in the past possibly people have evaluated him, him being a troubled kid with behavioral problems in an institution.

He could have been evaluated for his last trial last year, where he had to stand trial for the rape of the 72 year old woman. That's definitely a crime where court would probably want an expertise.

 

[Armchair_Defective]

and yet, they have commented

I knew they would. They have in the past.

 

[Miya]

Can we just give it up about what ‘he’ is and agree he is a maniac!

Well, I am just stating and quoting facts. There is an expertise that says he is a psychopath, everything else is speculation.

 

[sleuth-d-]

I would say it is because they need help, they need tips, they need someone(s) to help them gain the evidence that they need.

The biggest thing for parents of a missing child is to keep their child in the media, to keep their profile widely seen - so that someone may come forward if their circumstances have changed and they now want to say what they know.
It is a struggle for most parents of missing children to achieve this. imo

but this is the prosecutor trying to keep the story in the media, not the parents. by essentially telling the same piece of information slightly differently each day. it is certainly causing confusion + frustration here, so i imagine it is also causing frustration + confusion to their suspect. maybe that is another reason behind this.

german LE are also coming at this from a different direction - they have a person of interest already in jail and are looking at possible further crimes he may have committed. MBM is not really their only case of interest.
previously PJ and the MET had a missing person's case, and were trying to find a specific person of interest for that case.

 

[Bit of hope]

Ok....this is the translation from what the McCanns lawler has said...
McCann lawyer speaks of "glimmer of hope"

The McCann family's lawyer, Rogério Alves, has meanwhile described the investigation as a "glimmer of hope". The new track seems more solid to him than previous ones. Regarding the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office that Maddie was no longer alive, Alves said: "This is a possibility." However, he does not believe that the German public prosecutor's office has evidence of this.

Sorry, forgot to put in a source "Maddie": Hinweise reichen noch nicht für Anklage

Replying on my own post upthread.

Now the McCanns claimed/stated on here Official Find Madeleine Campaign they have no lawler on their payroll, what should we think of this? The NDR.de is not a back-alley tabloid. In the garbage can?