Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #8

[Sleuthdolf]

@sleuth-d-

SPIEGEL TV exklusiv: Das kriminelle Leben des Christian B. - DER SPIEGEL - Panorama
16:14 in the video

There is more in the conversation. Der Spiegel highlighted some frases. W= CB
P - hi
W - how are things going
P - quite well
P - and with you?
W - quite well???? bad for me, finally want to *** a little one
P - Yes, who doesn't
W - Do you have new films?
P - No, unfortunately not yet, I didn't have time during the week
W - Ok, Sending around films is also dangerous
P - You're right

I'm not sure the conversation is ungoing, this is on another page, and I can't see the timestamp very good. I think it's 2013 and so far passed the disappearance of Maddy, him talking what he wants to do. Could be a decoy, in case off....

W - catch something small, that's (would be) it (in a sense this would be the ultimate)
P - its also not without danger
W - och (in the sence swiping it from the table), when the evidence is destroyed afterwards
P - hm
W - when the "deepthroat", for example took to long
W - ---------
W - when then I would make a lot - a lot of movies he he (nasty laugh, like grinz)
P - Oh yes, do that
W - I will document exactly how she is tormented
P - cool
W - Well, first see, not only talk but also do! he he (nasty laugh, like grinz)
P -

The -----------is impossible to read, not leaving something out.
The word "deepthroat" is in the original, used by CB.

That's revolting. The word deepthroat has really put me off my breakfast.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

This doesnt sound like she was sold on,without going into the realm of depravity im assuming this poor girl was subjected to,if hes done what he says,the using something small etc would she have then been sold on?,i find it unlikely. So maybe not money from selling her,but money from im guessing some kind of paedo snuff films..is there thousands of pounds in that?,im guessing these monsters will pay lot for that kind of sick footage

 

[Sleuthdolf]

This doesnt sound like she was sold on,without going into the realm of depravity im assuming this poor girl was subjected to,if hes done what he says,the using something small etc would she have then been sold on?,i find it unlikely. So maybe not money from selling her,but money from im guessing some kind of paedo snuff films..is there thousands of pounds in that?,im guessing these monsters will pay lot for that kind of sick footage

I have no idea how much money is involved in selling snuff films. Obviously it would be in bitcoin, so I'm not sure how it transfers over into the real world (or how easy it is to trace for the authorities). Hopefully somebody here is knowledgeable in that area.

It increasingly looks like MM met her demise in the most horrible way imaginable.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

I would assume someone wanting a child in morroco for example and paying a lot of money would want them as vile as it sounds 'untouched'.This creature would have seriously damaged her i imagine...i guess they might not have footage of her face,and the parents will want proof its her,and they are not going to want to put them through viewing any of it until they are almost certain it maddie.Oh my god i feel sick

 

[SouthAussie]

Back in 1992, some people were paying 'several thousand pounds' for a pedo snuff movie.
Intimate Enemies

In 2000 "British paedophiles were paying between £50 and £100 for Kuznetsov's tapes, the officer said. Further fees were paid for access to a website that features pictures of extremely violent abuse."
The Russian videos ..... cost between £300 and £4,000, depending on what type of film was ordered.
British link to 'snuff' videos

There is/was a category called Necros Pedo.

 

[spangled]

man that is absolutely horrendous to read imagine what kate and Gerry must be feeling if they read it

What on earth kind of 'expert' phrases something like that?! (I couldn't bear to use that quote again, too horrible.)

I can hardly bear to look at her picture thinking what might have happened.

For anyone in her family this must be excruciatingly painful.

 

[Sleuthdolf]

Back in 1992, some people were paying 'several thousand pounds' for a pedo snuff movie.
Intimate Enemies

In 2000 "British paedophiles were paying between £50 and £100 for Kuznetsov's tapes, the officer said. Further fees were paid for access to a website that features pictures of extremely violent abuse."
The Russian videos ..... cost between £300 and £4,000, depending on what type of film was ordered.
British link to 'snuff' videos

There is/was a category called Necros Pedo.

'Promise me you're not ripping me off,' says the Italian.

'Relax, I can assure you this one really dies,' the Russian responds.

'The last time I paid and I didn't get what I wanted.'

'What do you want?'

'To see them die.'

Another extract from the article. <modsnip: Removed profanity>

 

[SouthAussie]

I think the words used in the 60 Minutes program were intended for maximum impact. They really, really want to get this disgusting creep in prison for life. Get him out of circulation.
They need help ... seemingly from possible photos or from witnesses who can place Brueckner at Ocean Club between 9 and 10pm that night.
They are pulling no punches in trying to achieve that aim. imo

 

[Bit of hope]

I'm not sure if this is accurate as for today Human Trafficking Victims Prices – Havocscope

Listed below is the amount of money that human trafficking victims are sold into modern day slavery. The prices of the human trafficking victim are based upon publicly available reports and is quoted in U.S. Dollars.

• Babies in China: $7,800
• Babies in Indonesia: $160 to $250
• Children in Ghana: $50 to parent, then $300 to trafficker
• Children in India: $45, versus $350 for buffalo
• Children in Mali: $600 for child soldier
• Children in Thailand: $25 typical price to “rent” a child beggar
• Children in the United Kingdom: $25,000
• Girl in India: $24
• Girls from Romania: $3,000 to $6,000
• Girls in Bangladesh: $250
• Girls in Kenya: $600 for Girls between the age of 10 to 15
• Girls from Mozambique: $2
• Person in Canada: $4,879 paid by pimp to trafficker
• Roma Child Bride: $270,000
• Teenage girls in Iraq: $5,000 for Virgins, $2.500 for Non-Virigns
• Teenage girls in Ontario, Canada: $5,989 for a girl from Quebec
• Virgin Child in Cambodia: $500 to $800
• Virgin Girl in Medellin, Colombia: $2,600 in online auction
• Women from North Korea (by age): $1,066 (20s), $761 (30s), $457 (40s)
• Women from Vietnam to China: $11,800 to purchase wife

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I say it again, I really hope someone who is not family is sorting out some form of counselling for the McCann twins. Even if it is thought they are being protected from the internet content, somehow somewhere they are going to be told about it, or see it. Worse if they have accessed it at eg a friend’s house and then have the burden of not being able to admit they’ve seen it. They are going to need some serious help that goes beyond loving family, who have more to deal with than anyone ever should.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not sure if this is accurate as for today Human Trafficking Victims Prices – Havocscope

Listed below is the amount of money that human trafficking victims are sold into modern day slavery. The prices of the human trafficking victim are based upon publicly available reports and is quoted in U.S. Dollars.
<RSBM>

A child's life comes cheap.

"Girls from Mozambique: $2"

 

[LeopardLeotard]

omg

 

[Bit of hope]

A child's life comes cheap.

"Girls from Mozambique: $2"

Yup....it's horrendous...the whole thing. Remember the little girl missing from Portugal from North Africa where I posted about....or do a snuff movie with a "cheap" (sorry for the word) girl selling it for X dollars.

 

[Sleuthdolf]

Yup....it's horrendous...the whole thing. Remember the little girl missing from Portugal from North Africa where I posted about....or do a snuff movie with a "cheap" (sorry for the word) girl selling it for X dollar.

Reading all this makes me affraid to even let my kids out the house again.

 

[Bit of hope]

Reading all this makes me affraid to even let my kids out the house again.

Keep your eyes open, learn about the signs, watch what they are doing on the Internet...apps (TIKTOK f.i. is notorious), they don't even have to go out of the house to be targeted, teach them to be open and tell about things...your body is sacred, etc. And stay realistic...not all strangers are perverts, most people are oké and will protect yours and our children. Don't want to teach.....sorry.

 

[MENDEL]

i disagree. it'd be really bad policing if they've released all the evidence that they have. thats just dumb. It's also not in the interest of solving the case as they will need to be able to determine if someone is involved by what they dont release.

You had a go at me for writing a complete timeline, which has not been proven to be fanciful or shown to be wrong so far. in fact the more info that comes out, the more likely my timeline is accurate.

I also got slammed by suggesting there were lots of pedos in PdL and in general. Yet just yesterday it was quoted that there are a disturbingly high number of pedos amongst us, and in PdL.

.... you are saying that CB's lawyers will win any case put forward...despite zero evidence. At least my timeline included actual known facts.

Tim, I'm not challenging your timeline. Just discussing how much evidence they seem to have and possible consequences.

 

[Newthoughts]

PART TWO: (salient parts only)

In a pedophile chatroom …
Unknown other: How’s it going?
Brueckner: Bad with me. Want to f*ck a little girl
UO: Who doesn’t want that?
Brueckner: Catch something small and use it for days
UO: It is not without danger
Brueckner: Oh, if the evidence is destroyed after .. I will document exactly how they will be tortured
UO: Cool
Brueckner: Well let’s see. Not only talking but also doing it!

Expert: He is very clear about his fantasy about not only abducting children but torturing them and using them for days. So these are very clear words.
In reality they don’t start with murder or rape, this is the end of a long process of an escalating fantasy. Because, if you think about it, murder or homicide is like the purest form of domination, because they choose if the victims live or die. They play God.

Presenter: Christian Brueckner left Portugal in 2007, during the desperate search for Madeleine McCann. He moved to the German city of Brunswick (Braunschweig). An informant speaking anonymously said Brueckner rented a kiosk right next to a Kindergarten.

Informant: There is a Kindergarten and Junior School right next to the kiosk, they spent their pocket money on sweets here. He gave the kids lollies for free. He talked of creating a dungeon in this, a rented cottage. It has a cellar and he wanted to line it with heavy plates.

Presenter: This was in 2013, when police say he was fantasising in a pedophile chatroom. Then in 2015, just 2 hours drive from where Brueckner was living, another little girl, Inga Gehricke, disappeared. A dark van, similar to one Brueckner was driving at the time, is seen leaving the abduction site.
And Hans Christian Wolters says he believes there are others (victims).

GP: I think there are more victims of our suspect. There are other investigations all over Germany In every case the prosecutors will check if our suspect is the suspect in the other case. I don’t know, I don’t know (if they are dealing with a serial killer). I am not able to judge this.

Presenter: The McCann’s appeared on German TV two times. Each time there were tip offs. First the name Christian Brueckner, then in 2017 reports that Brueckner made a drunken confession to a friend. Police searched a deserted factory owned by Brueckner and made a grim discovery. Hard drives and USB sticks hidden in a bag buried with his dog.

Expert: It is on the property of Christian B they found material, which according to the current information, is like 8,000 pieces of videos and pictures and this is quite typical for this kind of offender. They are filming what they do, and sometimes they are fantasising about their crimes every day and every night – over and over and over and over again.

Presenter: Brueckner’s lair uncovered many secrets. And not only his ghastly videos, there was more. In his camper van, police discovered the swimsuits of little girls.
How on earth do the McCann family recover, if this man took their daughter?

Expert: I can just imagine how they feel right now. And being in the state of uncertainty, some people, some parents of missing children, say this uncertainty is worse than the fact or knowing that their child is dead.

Presenter: Do you suspect that Maddie McCann is one of the people who features in the videos or pictures?

Expert: I am quite sure that they have some good evidence. It could be videos. I mean, he was into child and torture, and he did crimes against children at a very early age, and according to current information he also filmed his offences so you can clearly say what happened there, if it’s on tape.

Presenter: Officer Wolters may have given us a clue.

Presenter: We do know that police recovered thousands of files of disturbing videos and pictures that you believe belong to Christian Brueckner. Is there evidence on those videos of Madeleine McCann?

GP: At the moment I am not allowed to… umm … contend that, so I am not able to say if there are pictures or if there are no pictures of Madeleine.

Presenter: If the authorities do have video proving Madeleine’s death, together with the phone trace showing Brueckner was in the area, then evidence from a witness or photograph putting Brueckner at the Ocean Club between 9 and 10pm on the night of May 3rd 2007 would be the last piece of the puzzle. And for Kate and Gerry McCann, the final terrible truth. It is painful information that perhaps only the parent of another missing child can understand.

https://www.9now.com.au/60-minutes/2020/episode-21

Is there a date for the internet chat? My reading of that is that he would video whatever he did and sell it on as long as the recipients could be trusted to destroy it afterwards? Does that sound right? I'm reading it that the video is the evidence referred to rather than remains.

If it is before the abduction it is pre Bitcoin and hopefully easier to track payment details. So maybe they are hoping someone might be frightened enough to come forward?

 

[Bit of hope]

Is there a date for the internet chat? My reading of that is that he would video whatever he did and sell it on as long as the recipients could be trusted to destroy it afterwards? Does that sound right? I'm reading it that the video is the evidence referred to rather than remains.

If it is before the abduction it is pre Bitcoin and hopefully easier to track payment details. So maybe they are hoping someone might be frightened enough to come forward?

If I could read it right (see also my transcript upthread) it was in 2013. I couldn't read a date. If you are on a PC it's in #174

 

[Newthoughts]

If I could read it right (see also my transcript upthread) it was in 2013. I couldn't read a date. If you are on a PC it's in #174

Ok thanks. Too late to refer specifically to MM. Her poor parents must be in absolute bits.

 

[MENDEL]

Skype: the guardian 5 June 2020. Refers to the sept 2013 Skype conversation about catching something small and using it for days.

That's new to me, too. It really escaped. I always thought they were talking about dark web. Skype isn't dark web, or is it?