Madeleine McCann - Netflix documentary on this case

[leannemac]

First time poster here! I have a few questions about rumors I've seen floating around about this case since the Netflix doc came out and was wondering if there were any reliable sources to substantiate any of these claims. Forgive me if these have been long answered already, but I'm deep diving into this case for the first time!
-Madeleine's DNA was found in Murat's house?
-Gerry McCann and Murat's phones were switched off at the same time for 30+ hours?
-Murat hired the hire car that dogs alerted to for the McCanns under his ex wife's name?

Also - I know that the DNA tested in the apartment and the hire car could not be conclusively linked to Maddie but were they ever confirmed to be blood/body fluids at all? Because even if wasn't Maddie's - it raises the question of whose blood/fluids it was. However if it was a sample of hair or skin flakes it could make more sense for it to be present.

 

[otto]

First time poster here! I have a few questions about rumors I've seen floating around about this case since the Netflix doc came out and was wondering if there were any reliable sources to substantiate any of these claims. Forgive me if these have been long answered already, but I'm deep diving into this case for the first time!
-Madeleine's DNA was found in Murat's house?
-Gerry McCann and Murat's phones were switched off at the same time for 30+ hours?
-Murat hired the hire car that dogs alerted to for the McCanns under his ex wife's name?

Also - I know that the DNA tested in the apartment and the hire car could not be conclusively linked to Maddie but were they ever confirmed to be blood/body fluids at all? Because even if wasn't Maddie's - it raises the question of whose blood/fluids it was. However if it was a sample of hair or skin flakes it could make more sense for it to be present.

Murat was essentially cleared based on information in the Netflix program. The DNA was a "nothing" and claims about the dogs were interesting, but dog evidence has to be substantiated and it wasn't. The DNA in the car could not be identified in terms of what it came from (e.g.: skin cells), and the mixture was no surprise since the family was in the car and the DNA in the car indicated the family was in the car.

 

[wannabe00]

I recall from the show that the mother stated the kids were all extra exhausted after their kids camp. More than usual. Perhaps someone who worked for kids camp drugged them to abduct her easier later?

 

[mrjitty]

Interesting that this thread has surfaced pretty much the full range of McCann conspiracies.

Not really a very good sign for the Netflix documentary IMO.

I think it failed in its basic task to follow the evidence and distil that down for the average viewer.

 

[otto]

Interesting that this thread has surfaced pretty much the full range of McCann conspiracies.

Not really a very good sign for the Netflix documentary IMO.

I think it failed in its basic task to follow the evidence and distil that down for the average viewer.

My impression was that not everyone who is commenting watched the Netflix program, and that is why all the old theories are still discussed.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Otto is right. I didn’t watch the documentary.

 

[InWonderland]

There is one thing that I cannot understand:

If the McCann's were involved in their child's disappearance what happened to her body?

They were not locals, or entirely familiar with the area. So how and where would they have disposed of her remains so they wouldn't be found?

Surely some remains would have been found by someone in the area/region?

I know there are wells in that region, but I would think they'd have been searched by now, due to tourists and locals etc who have been fascinated by the case for the last (almost) 12 years?

moo

Not to suggest the McCanns had anything to do with it, but the ocean is a big, dark place. Wasn't the "man Jane saw" walking in the direction of the beach?

A couple of questions:
1. Did I miss where the McCanns were questioned about the days leading up to her disappearance? I just want to know if they were questioned about whether they met any new people while on holiday and told those people they had children.
2. Did the kiddie care staff ever get questioned? Was there ever anybody suspicious hanging around at day care?

Also:
This was the sloppiest first 48 I'd ever heard of.

 

[Lamima]

Oxygen show of this case is on now.

 

[InWonderland]

Oxygen show of this case is on now.

I don’t get that channel. Report back.

 

[InWonderland]

Did they ever release transcripts of the interviews?

 

[HayLouise]

Did they ever release transcripts of the interviews?

Site map for McCann PJ files

 

[Lamima]

I lost interest so can't tell you much. Seemed like the same old same old.

Out Of Sight: The Disappearance Of Madeleine McCann

 

[Lamima]

oops wrong page

 

[otto]

Not to suggest the McCanns had anything to do with it, but the ocean is a big, dark place. Wasn't the "man Jane saw" walking in the direction of the beach?

A couple of questions:
1. Did I miss where the McCanns were questioned about the days leading up to her disappearance? I just want to know if they were questioned about whether they met any new people while on holiday and told those people they had children.
2. Did the kiddie care staff ever get questioned? Was there ever anybody suspicious hanging around at day care?

Also:
This was the sloppiest first 48 I'd ever heard of.

If the "man Jane saw" is the man who was seen carrying a child around the time that Madeleine was discovered missing, then the Netflix program covered investigative info that the man was another British tourist carrying his child. He's not a suspect. That is also a factor that changed the timeline of her disappearance - moving it earlier in the evening.

 

[Jaanniss]

I'm liking Eddie & Keela's contribution more all the time ... hoping that once the dust settles, whoever has the authority to have recovered DNA tested using current advancement in knowledge and technology will not hesitate.

Introducing Eddie & Keela

 

[mrjitty]

If the "man Jane saw" is the man who was seen carrying a child around the time that Madeleine was discovered missing, then the Netflix program covered investigative info that the man was another British tourist carrying his child. He's not a suspect. That is also a factor that changed the timeline of her disappearance - moving it earlier in the evening.

The Tanner sighting was ruled out by the London Met on Crimewatch some years ago

 

[Officer Dibble]

Interesting. The child that was abducted in 2004 is unsolved - other than beating up family members to extract a confession. Two children missing so close to each other a couple of years apart points me in the direction of a predator who either lives in the area or regularly vacations in the area. It has to be someone who easily blends into the community because it does seem like someone was watching the apartment prior to the abduction of Madeleine.

I gave up after episode 6. Are you saying the documetary states a child nearby was abducted? Any info on that?

Interestingly I can tell you that on a local news station in the UK (it was Meridian news in the South East UK) at the beginning of the first week back to school in September, a couple were interviewed. They and their child/ren had been on holiday to the same area but further up the coast . They were trying to get attention because a 'creepy' man had been around their pool all day (or maybe more than one day - my memory has faded) and he was taking photos of all the children, to the point that all the parents were complaining about him but nothing was done. So the male parent being interviewed went and demanded to see what photos were on the man's camera. At some point in the proceedings he saw photos of his daughter and demanded they were taken off the camera. The photographer-man refused and they had a physical scuffle/fight. The interviewed man was begging Reception staff to call the Police but Reception at first were not very forthcoming and when eventually they did call Police it either took many hours or even days for them to come (or maybe they didn't come - sorry, all I can remember is that it took hours and was very very lax and Police were not interested). The couple on the local news were reported to be from Kent (iirc).

 

[Officer Dibble]

Human and child trafficking is a real and horrific crime that is all too prevalent in our society. But the case you cited of Alesha Macphail does not fit that pattern as the murderer knew the victim's father and residence. It was a sadistic crime of opportunity.

And as for paedophiles that buy children, I still think the risk of taking a visiting British child would be much more risky than the usual trafficking methods (exploiting marginalized or neglected children, poor children, children of addicts, orphans, etc). Sadly, there is no shortage of vulnerable children in the world (of all ages, genders, skin colour etc).

Lastly, I'm not convinced that she died earlier in the holiday, could she not have died earlier that day/night? From what I understand for the cadaver dog to pick up the scent she only had to be dead for 3 hours and no other witness can confirm that she was alive past 5:30pm. Plus then again the scent in the rental car.

I fully admit that all the evidence against the McCann's is circumstantial, but they are the only known suspects that had means, motive and opportunity.

One thing that gets my attention but I could have this very wrong , is the male member of the group who offered early on then again later to go check on the McCann children. I think someone said they checked but didn't look in, is that correct? So what I'm alluding to but hoping I'm wrong is was one male person the only person to go visit the McCann appartment twice (early on then again) until Kate then went and discovered her missing? I might be mixed up because the timeline is all mixed up anyway. Thoughts?

 

[otto]

The Tanner sighting was ruled out by the London Met on Crimewatch some years ago

Is the "tannerman" and "man Jane saw" the same man? If so, the Netflix program also ruled him out.

 

[otto]

I gave up after episode 6. Are you saying the documetary states a child nearby was abducted? Any info on that?

Interestingly I can tell you that on a local news station in the UK (it was Meridian news in the South East UK) at the beginning of the first week back to school in September, a couple were interviewed. They and their child/ren had been on holiday to the same area but further up the coast . They were trying to get attention because a 'creepy' man had been around their pool all day (or maybe more than one day - my memory has faded) and he was taking photos of all the children, to the point that all the parents were complaining about him but nothing was done. So the male parent being interviewed went and demanded to see what photos were on the man's camera. At some point in the proceedings he saw photos of his daughter and demanded they were taken off the camera. The photographer-man refused and they had a physical scuffle/fight. The interviewed man was begging Reception staff to call the Police but Reception at first were not very forthcoming and when eventually they did call Police it either took many hours or even days for them to come (or maybe they didn't come - sorry, all I can remember is that it took hours and was very very lax and Police were not interested). The couple on the local news were reported to be from Kent (iirc).

By all means, finish watching the Netflix program to learn more about the 6 year old child who was abducted in 2004 something like 11 minutes from where Madeleine was abducted, and whose mother appeared with black eyes around the time that she confessed. There were arrests of police officers in relation to that investigation, but the mother was not cleared because she would not reveal who caused the injuries.

The story you mention was not covered on the Netflix program. The girl who disappeared was local. I dozed off at the end of the program, but there were 12 incidents very close to where Madeleine was abducted ... I have to re-watch the last couple of episodes to know what type of incidents. Does anyone remember?