Majority of Boulder Population Pagans?

I've read about Lindow man, and other bog mummies. Eagle1, you have an extraordinary ability to read material and come away only with scattered bits and pieces, which you then string together to support your odd theory. :twocents: :rolleyes: *eyebrow* I will try to bring up the numerous museum and archaelogical sites I read about the culture on. All I can say is, you are twisting accounts and adding words. Bad show...
 
To start with, read this Wikipedia article on bog bodies. Here are the articles I read about a year ago. The knots mentioned were merely regional hairstyles. Fashion was important in the Iron Age, believe it or not. (Tangent: I'd love to have a gown made in the style from a later time found in a bog, it was ingenius!)

Lindow Man.

Tollund Man and Elling Woman, Silkeborg museum site entry.

Site dedicated to theTollund Man, hosted by Silkeborg. It's pretty in-depth. Pay particular attention to each link found in the numerous articles on the various nooks and crannies of that site, it explains what archaeologists have discerned about those times in-depth. The Time of Tollund Man in particular is fascinating. (Also the links found in other articles. I spent an enjoyable evening perusing all the varied links.)

Graubelle Man, fascinating yet poignant.

Oetzi the Ice Man of the Alps.

On a tangent, at the same time I read about the various mummies/bog bodies, I also read about the Vikings. The various articles and interactive tree ring puzzle linked on this page are all neat.

My point is, that is how the times were. There is nothing ominous about it. Oh, and Pagans today don't emulate those aspects of history, either.
 
Not to mention how difficult it would be for someone of his size and physical condition to shimmy through that window. (not breaking the spider web, of course, in THE DARK). Climb the 3 flights of spiral stairs, grab JBR and somehow disable her and carry her back down those 3 flights of spiral stairs (pausing to rouse her from her unconscious state to snack on pineapple), strangle, assault, bash her skull in, redress her (going back up those stairs to find other panties, shirts, etc) then after going BACK up to the kitchen for the paper and marker to write the 3-page note, going back to the basement, dragging a 45 lb dead child into the wineceller, magically pulling a chair behind himself AFTER he closed the train room door, then hauling his 250+lb self UP the wall, carefully balancing on a suitcase, as he shimmied up the wall and squeezed himself out through that same small window, then climbed up and out the window grate, replace it (it looks HEAVY) and still careful not to disturb the spider web (in THE DARK after all).All the while not leaving a single hair, thread, fingerprint (or gloveprint). WHEW! It was exhusting to write it. I can't imagine how exhausting it was to do it.

that made me tired just reading it ! and the flashlight...he wiped it clean and then left it behind,guess he didn't need it to see in the dark..maybe he borrowed JR's night vision goggles.
 
that made me tired just reading it ! and the flashlight...he wiped it clean and then left it behind,guess he didn't need it to see in the dark..maybe he borrowed JR's night vision goggles.

Not to mention I for one am tired of suggestions regards Pagan Boulder.
 
Now they're drawing comparisons between 8th and 9th century Anglo-Saxon and Germanic lifestyles and rituals and the murder. I'm just sitting here in disbelief. I really am.

Who actually believes that the McReynolds were practicing ancient pagan rituals from the Dark Ages, and that JonBenet's murder was an enactment of one of those rituals, complete with sacrifice? I know Eagle1 likes that theory (and that's cool), but I am amazed to see other people grab onto this theory and go with it, wanting to hear more...not because they believe the evidence fits the Santa Bill did it theory (that has yet to be proven by the person feeding us this particular theory), but primarily, imo, because it means that the Rs were innocent. It's a fascinating peek at behavior.

Where is the proof that the McReynolds were practicing paganism, and thought murdering JonBenet was part of a sacrificial ritual? Can they be placed inside the Ramsey house on 12/25/96? How does the paganism and a sacrificial ritual tie into the dream of being Santa Claus that Bill McReynolds pursued?
 
Now they're drawing comparisons between 8th and 9th century Anglo-Saxon and Germanic lifestyles and rituals and the murder. I'm just sitting here in disbelief. I really am.

Who actually believes that the McReynolds were practicing ancient pagan rituals from the Dark Ages, and that JonBenet's murder was an enactment of one of those rituals, complete with sacrifice? I know Eagle1 likes that theory (and that's cool), but I am amazed to see other people grab onto this theory and go with it, wanting to hear more...not because they believe the evidence fits the Santa Bill did it theory (that has yet to be proven by the person feeding us this particular theory), but primarily, imo, because it means that the Rs were innocent. It's a fascinating peek at behavior.

Where is the proof that the McReynolds were practicing paganism, and thought murdering JonBenet was part of a sacrificial ritual? Can they be placed inside the Ramsey house on 12/25/96? How does the paganism and a sacrificial ritual tie into the dream of being Santa Claus that Bill McReynolds pursued?

Hi NP.

You are 1000% right about this subject being so out there. This thread here is not a discussion about the facts of the Ramsey case - it is a discussion that has degenerated into the bizarre and once again any newcomer or Ramsey believer would be right in saying that these forums appear to be solely for entertainment of the bizarre rather than the facts. We know that it is not true, but this thread just adds fuel to that argument.
 
Hi NP.

You are 1000% right about this subject being so out there. This thread here is not a discussion about the facts of the Ramsey case - it is a discussion that has degenerated into the bizarre and once again any newcomer or Ramsey believer would be right in saying that these forums appear to be solely for entertainment of the bizarre rather than the facts. We know that it is not true, but this thread just adds fuel to that argument.
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The thing that concerns me is this person has shown up, begun posting a myriad of opinions mixed in with what s/he says are facts, but has failed to back up claims - and this is where other people turn around and post the same stuff elsewhere and it becomes fact, when any basis in fact has yet to be proven.

I really am surprised by the people who are hanging on this person's every word about the McRs, and asking for more. I asked some questions myself, to try to better understand how this person arrived at their conclusion that Santa Bill and Mrs McR were the killers - such as what was going on with the RN and how did they get in, how does the pineapple fit in, etc.
 
The thing that concerns me is this person has shown up, begun posting a myriad of opinions mixed in with what s/he says are facts, but has failed to back up claims - and this is where other people turn around and post the same stuff elsewhere and it becomes fact, when any basis in fact has yet to be proven.

I really am surprised by the people who are hanging on this person's every word about the McRs, and asking for more. I asked some questions myself, to try to better understand how this person arrived at their conclusion that Santa Bill and Mrs McR were the killers - such as what was going on with the RN and how did they get in, how does the pineapple fit in, etc.


Just picked NP to quote because close, and I've already objected many times, which never sinks in, to your seeming to be on automatic assuming that I'm an IDI , to attack, no matter how many times I remind you that I'm not, and no matter how many times I remind you that NOBODY says Santa Bill killed JonBenet, it just never sinks in, not even an inch.

People at other forums have done enthusiastic research and came up with even more than I did, incl Wikipedia, just leaving no stone unturned.

UKGuy, I forget what it was you accused me of coming up with, it's so far back, but not true.

Looking for other angles is just the "nice" thing to do. It's not nice to accuse the R's, any more than to accuse anyone else. It's all hearsay, becoming fact just by being rehashed constantly.

Hi, Seeker, or whoever said they knew about Santeria. Yes, I've heard of it too. Used to live in Fla when we were in college.

Thanks to whoever reminded us of Wicca, too. I must have left that out. Told you I sometimes goof, but at least have an interest in learning something new instead of jumping to conclusions based on nothing but a family being "in" a house. The basement window being opened from the inside was so obviously part of the "staging" I'm surprised Smit fell for it. Can we at least stop bringing that window up?

As for the pineapple, there was also something greenish in her stomach, that 10 yrs ago some people used to speculate MIGHT have been mistletoe, which figured in the celtic ritual last meals of a favorite thing plus I guess the mistletoe.

It would probably taste very bad and I doubt JonBenet would have eaten it, unless it was accompanied by one of those tales "like" the little tree in the forest somebody managed to dig up, and mind you, do NOT accuse me of saying she did. It'd be all in your own head. Your own imagination. Makes no difference for our purposes if the names of the 12-15 other children were carved on the harp before or after their deaths. Point is, you can't accuse the R's of killing those children, who were classified by McReynolds and maybe others as having SOMETHING in common.

That's what I'm trying to wake us up to try to find out. Someone found that at least one little boy was murdered, didn't find out how, or any of their names, or if they were all in this country.

If, if, if, as Camper says, there may have been some kind of ritual that night, I've already said, I have no problem with admitting the R's may have been involved. I don't think anyone did it acting alone, or that anyone entered through that basement window, and the spider web proves it.
We've been in such a "rut" about the one family, I've admitted could have been in some way involved, depending on what the real circumstances were. Yes, possibly some "fallen" Christian, perverting and mis-using scriptures. Such a person is predicted in the Christian Bible, making war on the believers and trying to project his guilts on them. Those who defeat him by citing the predictions and the Blood of the Lamb are risking their lives, Re 12. How cowardly to pick on a little girl, or, maybe even all the children on the harp. My statement says this is speculation "of the moment" so try not to jump to conclusions about me instead of trying to solve the case, okay?

Any other new theories, not attacks on any of us personally, I'd be polite enough to hear. Bring it on. Pick a theory, any theory. Anything for a breath of fresh air. Don't you see that your misquoting and misunderstanding me just tells me you're misunderstanding everything else too? I have a hunch, maybe wrong, that if you'd each think and study independently instead of just forming a clique everyone might be as brainy as the other researchers I probably should be right now encouraging. It's hard to think of exact search terms, and naturally any secrets will be hard if not impossible to uncover. Was there a Coverup about those other children or was it in some other country or what? The harp's existence was part of the case.
 
Just picked NP to quote because close, and I've already objected many times, which never sinks in, to your seeming to be on automatic assuming that I'm an IDI , to attack, no matter how many times I remind you that I'm not, and no matter how many times I remind you that NOBODY says Santa Bill killed JonBenet, it just never sinks in, not even an inch.

People at other forums have done enthusiastic research and came up with even more than I did, incl Wikipedia, just leaving no stone unturned.

UKGuy, I forget what it was you accused me of coming up with, it's so far back, but not true. Eagle you made my day with this one.

Looking for other angles is just the "nice" thing to do. It's not nice to accuse the R's, any more than to accuse anyone else. It's all hearsay, becoming fact just by being rehashed constantly. Within reason. It is not reasonable to include Santa.

Hi, Seeker, or whoever said they knew about Santeria. Yes, I've heard of it too. Used to live in Fla when we were in college.

Thanks to whoever reminded us of Wicca, too. I must have left that out. Told you I sometimes goof, but at least have an interest in learning something new instead of jumping to conclusions based on nothing but a family being "in" a house. The basement window being opened from the inside was so obviously part of the "staging" I'm surprised Smit fell for it. Can we at least stop bringing that window up?

As for the pineapple, there was also something greenish in her stomach, that 10 yrs ago some people used to speculate MIGHT have been mistletoe, which figured in the celtic ritual last meals of a favorite thing plus I guess the mistletoe. Alright, that's it.

It would probably taste very bad and I doubt JonBenet would have eaten it, unless it was accompanied by one of those tales "like" the little tree in the forest somebody managed to dig up, and mind you, do NOT accuse me of saying she did. It'd be all in your own head. Your own imagination. Makes no difference for our purposes if the names of the 12-15 other children were carved on the harp before or after their deaths. Point is, you can't accuse the R's of killing those children, who were classified by McReynolds and maybe others as having SOMETHING in common. Darlin, I am accusin them big time.

That's what I'm trying to wake us up to try to find out. Someone found that at least one little boy was murdered, didn't find out how, or any of their names, or if they were all in this country.

If, if, if, as Camper says, there may have been some kind of ritual that night, I've already said, I have no problem with admitting the R's may have been involved. I don't think anyone did it acting alone, or that anyone entered through that basement window, and the spider web proves it.
We've been in such a "rut" about the one family, I've admitted could have been in some way involved, depending on what the real circumstances were. Yes, possibly some "fallen" Christian, perverting and mis-using scriptures. Such a person is predicted in the Christian Bible, making war on the believers and trying to project his guilts on them. Those who defeat him by citing the predictions and the Blood of the Lamb are risking their lives, Re 12. How cowardly to pick on a little girl, or, maybe even all the children on the harp. My statement says this is speculation "of the moment" so try not to jump to conclusions about me instead of trying to solve the case, okay? Yes, a fallen Christian did this thing. Patsy the Lower. she killed her child Eagle and then she found God again. Isn't that what most criminals do. They find God and become paralegals in jail and then say - I am defending myself, in between scripture reading.

Any other new theories, not attacks on any of us personally, I'd be polite enough to hear. Bring it on. Pick a theory, any theory. Anything for a breath of fresh air. Don't you see that your misquoting and misunderstanding me just tells me you're misunderstanding everything else too? I have a hunch, maybe wrong, that if you'd each think and study independently instead of just forming a clique everyone might be as brainy as the other researchers I probably should be right now encouraging. It's hard to think of exact search terms, and naturally any secrets will be hard if not impossible to uncover. Was there a Coverup about those other children or was it in some other country or what? The harp's existence was part of the case.
Eagle, there are no new theories only the real one. Patsy did it while very very angry and then shocked at what she did, tried to cover her very obvious tracks. :D :D :D ;)
 
Eagle1 said:
People at other forums have done enthusiastic research and came up with even more than I did, incl Wikipedia, just leaving no stone unturned.
But remember the "research" they are doing is on the ancient practices. Those practices are not in place today.

Anyone can do a Wikipedia page, anyone. It doesn't mean it's accurate.

Think of Pagan's as modern day Hippies with all the peace, love & harmony that was being touted in the 60's and you'll have a closer understanding to how we really are. Not the crap you read at other forums written by people who are not Pagan themselves and have never experienced what it is to be a Pagan.

Or think of the Native American's who's belief system is Pagan based.

Human sacrafice is not a Pagan ritual. It never was for anyone other than the druids and satanists as far as I know. Oh and satanists mark the body with symbols.

I don't know anything about Santeri...is that the one that's similar to voodoo? Chickens and snakes and whatknot?
 
It was me that mentioned Santeria and Wicca. Yes, the Santerians (Fidel Castro is one) sacrifice chickens (primarily, but not exclusively). It is similar to VooDoo. And actually it is a blend of Catholicism and VooDoo (as farfetched as that sounds).
When Catholic missionaries converted the people of certain islands those people accepted it, but kept some of their old practices.
When I taught high school in Union City, NJ (which has one of the largest Cuban immigrant populations)...most were devoutly Catholic, but practiced the old Santerian rituals also, especially the older immigrants. All their homes had life-size statues of St.Barbara (one of their main saints), usually in the window.
There were markets that sold live chickens just for the rituals. Botanicas were on every corner, selling the plants and herbs they used, as well as different colored candles for spells. Only once that I know of was there a more sinister event...an infant. This is rarely done, and done for different reasons than Satanic cults would do this horrible act.
 
Just picked NP to quote because close, and I've already objected many times, which never sinks in, to your seeming to be on automatic assuming that I'm an IDI , to attack, no matter how many times I remind you that I'm not, and no matter how many times I remind you that NOBODY says Santa Bill killed JonBenet, it just never sinks in, not even an inch.

People at other forums have done enthusiastic research and came up with even more than I did, incl Wikipedia, just leaving no stone unturned.

UKGuy, I forget what it was you accused me of coming up with, it's so far back, but not true.

Looking for other angles is just the "nice" thing to do. It's not nice to accuse the R's, any more than to accuse anyone else. It's all hearsay, becoming fact just by being rehashed constantly.

Hi, Seeker, or whoever said they knew about Santeria. Yes, I've heard of it too. Used to live in Fla when we were in college.

Thanks to whoever reminded us of Wicca, too. I must have left that out. Told you I sometimes goof, but at least have an interest in learning something new instead of jumping to conclusions based on nothing but a family being "in" a house. The basement window being opened from the inside was so obviously part of the "staging" I'm surprised Smit fell for it. Can we at least stop bringing that window up?

As for the pineapple, there was also something greenish in her stomach, that 10 yrs ago some people used to speculate MIGHT have been mistletoe, which figured in the celtic ritual last meals of a favorite thing plus I guess the mistletoe.

It would probably taste very bad and I doubt JonBenet would have eaten it, unless it was accompanied by one of those tales "like" the little tree in the forest somebody managed to dig up, and mind you, do NOT accuse me of saying she did. It'd be all in your own head. Your own imagination. Makes no difference for our purposes if the names of the 12-15 other children were carved on the harp before or after their deaths. Point is, you can't accuse the R's of killing those children, who were classified by McReynolds and maybe others as having SOMETHING in common.

That's what I'm trying to wake us up to try to find out. Someone found that at least one little boy was murdered, didn't find out how, or any of their names, or if they were all in this country.

If, if, if, as Camper says, there may have been some kind of ritual that night, I've already said, I have no problem with admitting the R's may have been involved. I don't think anyone did it acting alone, or that anyone entered through that basement window, and the spider web proves it.
We've been in such a "rut" about the one family, I've admitted could have been in some way involved, depending on what the real circumstances were. Yes, possibly some "fallen" Christian, perverting and mis-using scriptures. Such a person is predicted in the Christian Bible, making war on the believers and trying to project his guilts on them. Those who defeat him by citing the predictions and the Blood of the Lamb are risking their lives, Re 12. How cowardly to pick on a little girl, or, maybe even all the children on the harp. My statement says this is speculation "of the moment" so try not to jump to conclusions about me instead of trying to solve the case, okay?

Any other new theories, not attacks on any of us personally, I'd be polite enough to hear. Bring it on. Pick a theory, any theory. Anything for a breath of fresh air. Don't you see that your misquoting and misunderstanding me just tells me you're misunderstanding everything else too? I have a hunch, maybe wrong, that if you'd each think and study independently instead of just forming a clique everyone might be as brainy as the other researchers I probably should be right now encouraging. It's hard to think of exact search terms, and naturally any secrets will be hard if not impossible to uncover. Was there a Coverup about those other children or was it in some other country or what? The harp's existence was part of the case.

The pineapple was consistant,right down to the rind,with what was in her stomach,or rather,small intestine.No need for speculation there.
I for one have consistently thought for myself.I've said that.I've said I don't always agree with the basic PDI in an accident/rage theory,and that I have more than one thought about what happened and why(maybe the why is more important to solving it),but I lean twds Patsy causing the head injury,and JR doing the rest,other than PR physically writing the RN and gathering materials for JR for staging.(and breaking the paintbrush).
 
Basic rules of logic and debate can probably be easily googled and printed out. Maybe we should? I don't know if there would be enough to start a special thread just to remind us of the rules.

I can't at the moment do an exact quote exactly how the rules are worded, but one says you can't make rash statements as fact, such as "Patsy did it in a rage", and expect others to accept it just by your bullying. You must respect others as yourself or you hurt your own credibility. Just ignorance of the basic rules hurts your credibility.

If nobody else knows the quote more exactly, I'll try to remember to look it up. Surely we're interested in doing it right or nearly right. I can't recite the rules from memory word for word myself. Maybe I should be able to. At least I have kind of a general idea. Better than nothing.
 
Eagle1: Where in the heck did you get the idea that JonBenet ate mistletoe? Please....There was only evidence of pineapple, not mistletoe. Please stop this misinformation.

Jayelles, thank you for citing the source about Priscilla's coat or vest. I knew it was in the 1998 interviews somewhere. I can't put my hands on my book right now, it's in my bookcase somewhere.

Seeker, thank you for explaining things!!!

Solace, I'm afraid we are fighting a losing battle here! How was your weekend? It's about time for another one, isn't it?
 
I can't at the moment do an exact quote exactly how the rules are worded, but one says you can't make rash statements as fact, such as "Patsy did it in a rage", and expect others to accept it just by your bullying.
I think the idea of "rage" is supported by the severity of JonBenet's head injury in conjunction with her abrasions and contusions. Blindly reading the autopsy report, I come away with the impression that this was child abuse culminating in murder.
 
Eagle1: Where in the heck did you get the idea that JonBenet ate mistletoe? Please....There was only evidence of pineapple, not mistletoe. Please stop this misinformation. Eagle, I think everyone would take your posts seriously if they were serious and not the proverbial joke. This is not meant to insult you; it is just a fact; starting a new thread on Pagans in Colorado is absurd and unfortunately, it is being responded to, myself included. But it is no less absurd.

Jayelles, thank you for citing the source about Priscilla's coat or vest. I knew it was in the 1998 interviews somewhere. I can't put my hands on my book right now, it's in my bookcase somewhere.

Seeker, thank you for explaining things!!!

Solace, I'm afraid we are fighting a losing battle here! How was your weekend? It's about time for another one, isn't it? It sure is Original.

And I wish you a great weekend.
 
...Blindly reading the autopsy report, I come away with the impression that this was child abuse culminating in murder.

And could this be the reason 911 wasn't called after the head injury? Even if the head injury was unintentional?

"child abuse"

We don't know what all went on before the head injury but the person who was there knew. And to call or not call 911 was their decision, not ours. Somebody knew hospital staff wouldn't buy "she slipped on a bar of soap". What that somebody didn't know was that Koby and Hunter would have bought it.
 
And could this be the reason 911 wasn't called after the head injury? Even if the head injury was unintentional?

"child abuse"

We don't know what all went on before the head injury but the person who was there knew. And to call or not call 911 was their decision, not ours. Somebody knew hospital staff wouldn't buy "she slipped on a bar of soap". What that somebody didn't know was that Koby and Hunter would have bought it.

They sure would have because there is no doubt that someone was telling them to lay off and they did.
 

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