Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #1

[Derryn Hunch]

Like someone else has just posted a page or two back and I have detailed in my first post in this thread - Many systems on board the aircraft AND the military and civilian radar monitoring and tracking would have shown EXACTLY where the aircraft was with to the meter pinpoint accuracy at least until the moment it came back down to earth.

Malaysian News Media is basically now trying to sell the theory that the aircraft disintegrated at 35,000ft in such a complete manner that it might as well have been put through a wood chipper (fragment size wise).

Their reasoning is that because the entire aircraft was miraculasly and instantaneous been turned into peices so small and light that it dispursed over the entire gulf of Thailand. That apparently includes seat cushions, life rafts and rubber tyres from undercarriage as well as all of the highly engineered structural bulkheads of the airframe *rolls eyes*

 

[Waddles]

Mr. Azharuddin said investigators were reviewing video footage of the passengers in question. Malaysian officials also said five ticketed passengers failed to board the flight but said that their luggage was removed from the plane before it took off.

As they tried to deflect questions about seemingly lax security, Malaysian officials emphasized that their priority was locating the aircraft. They said they had reviewed military radar records and raised the possibility that the aircraft had tried to turn back just before contact with ground controllers was lost.

But Mikael Robertsson, the co-chairman of Flightradar24, a Stockholm-based service that tracks the majority of the world’s passenger jets, said data gathered by separate civilian receivers in the region did not appear to show the jet turning around.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/10/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?ref=world

Just asking in case I missed it, have the 5 passengers been found?

bbm So I wonder did the pilot attempt to turn the plane?

They have not yet announced whether all the 5 passengers have been found

 

[Elley Mae]

Like someone else has just posted a page or two back and I have detailed in my first post in this thread - Many systems on board the aircraft AND the military and civilian radar monitoring and tracking would have shown EXACTLY where the aircraft was with to the meter pinpoint accuracy at least until the moment it came back down to earth.

Malaysian News Media is basically now trying to sell the theory that the aircraft disintegrated at 35,000ft in such a complete manner that it might as well have been put through a wood chipper (fragment size wise).

Their reasoning is that because the entire aircraft was miraculasly and instantaneous been turned into peices so small and light that it dispursed over the entire gulf of Thailand. That apparently includes seat cushions, life rafts and rubber tyres from undercarriage as well as all of the highly engineered structural bulkheads of the airframe *rolls eyes*

Nothing would surprise me at this point. My mind has already went there. I said to my husband yesterday, I wonder if it was an on board explosion that disintegrated everything at 35,000 feet. I asked him if that happened how large of an area would the debris fall? What kind of bomb could do that? This is truly scary, very bothersome.

 

[MsFacetious]

After doing some more research on "repaired" planes that later crashed...
I'm really wondering about the wing repair after the airport collision. :twocents:

 

[Melly53]

I have absolutely no understanding about this: so could someone explain how there is oil slicks but no debris??? Even if the plane had crashed into the sea, wouldn't there be some debris from the impact.......basically I am just not understanding the no debris bit.....can it go into the sea say nose first and not break up???? and therefore the whole plane being intact on the bottom of the deep deep sea???

sorry if these questions seem silly, but like I said, I have absolutely no understanding of this type of thing.

In the Air France crash, oil slicks were spotted the day after it disappeared but they did not find any debris (and only two bodies) until five days later. If the MAS plane disintegrated in mid-air the debris field would cover a much larger area, being harder to locate than the Air France plane was. On your other question I am going to say there would be no way an airplane of this size could remain intact upon impact with the water even if it went in nose first. I am not an expect in this area so I am basing that on a small understanding of physics and a very large understanding of how airplanes are built. Given that the MAS plane was at 35,000 feet when it disappeared and the speed with which it would have hit the water (if it was even still intact) the plane would have broken up upon hitting the water. The engines placement on this plane would have caused the wings to shear off even in a nose dive situation. JMO

 

[Waddles]

After watching the above video to the end, there are 4 other videos that one can view. One entitled "Missing Malaysian Airplane Update" it shows a radar screen that shows the airplane turning back towards Malaysia. Is this just an animation of the radar?

I think so, they are indicating a possible scenario, if I saw the same thing you did, anyone else?

 

[Elley Mae]

A Vietnamese search-and-rescue plane spotted suspected fragments of the plane as night fell Sunday evening about 100 miles west of the jetliner's intended route'

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...0210684954006.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

Normally a range of electronic transmissions help investigators and controllers track a plane's altitude, direction and speed. But those so-called transponders aboard the Boeing 777 apparently didn't report anything amiss, until they stopped working altogether.

Big jets also carry sturdy emergency transmitters to identify an aircraft's location in the event of a mishap, so rescue teams can quickly reach the site. These devices, designed to be activated by impact on land or water, haven't sent any signals that were picked up by searchers, Malaysian aviation regulators said over the weekend.

"Never have I seen an aircraft losing control and losing all communication" simultaneously, said Mark Martin of aviation consultancy Martin Consulting.

bbm

Rep. Mike Rogers (R., Mich.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" that the U.S. military didn't detect any type of midair explosion.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

Thread is moving along so quickly I apologize if I have missed this and its already been said by someone - But the stolen passports had been reported and entered into the Interpol database http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...atabase-if-anyone-bothered-to-check-says-inte -

I think most of you would agree that updating your countries passport flag check database to sync with latest Interpol notices is pretty important if your serious about the security of your boarders. Surely maintaining as current as possible records of passport flagging and persons who have been identified as wanted or a potential threat requiring more thourough inspection before they cross your border would be a core task that any customs and boarder service taking themselves seriously would ensure they do?!

 

[Melly53]

Thread is moving along so quickly I apologize if I have missed this and its already been said by someone - But the stolen passports had been reported and entered into the Interpol database http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/...atabase-if-anyone-bothered-to-check-says-inte -

I think most of you would agree that updating your countries passport flag check database to sync with latest Interpol notices is pretty important if your serious about the security of your boarders. Surely maintaining as current as possible records of passport flagging and persons who have been identified as wanted or a potential threat requiring more thourough inspection before they cross your border would be a core task that any customs and boarder service taking themselves seriously would ensure they do?!

I hope that it will make all countries make it a priority ASAP!

 

[redheadedgal]

interesting article on the differences b/w an in-flight breakup/explosion and crashing intact into water:

warning: graphic descriptions re: what happens to bodies

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5869506

*link to original news article from 2009 is dead

**comments below are interesting too

 

[Derryn Hunch]

In the Air France crash, oil slicks were spotted the day after it disappeared but they did not find any debris (and only two bodies) until five days later. If the MAS plane disintegrated in mid-air the debris field would cover a much larger area, being harder to locate than the Air France plane was. On your other question I am going to say there would be no way an airplane of this size could remain intact upon impact with the water even if it went in nose first. I am not an expect in this area so I am basing that on a small understanding of physics and a very large understanding of how airplanes are built. Given that the MAS plane was at 35,000 feet when it disappeared and the speed with which it would have hit the water (if it was even still intact) the plane would have broken up upon hitting the water. The engines placement on this plane would have caused the wings to shear off even in a nose dive situation. JMO

There was plenty of wreckage from the Air France jet. The entire tail/vertical stabilizer section to name one large part - and there were many many many lifejackets and seat cushions floating.

That was in a very deep section in the middle of the atlantic, where currents were converging and strong.

This is the gulf of Thailand where the average depth apparently is something like 60m and completely covered by the systems of at least three directly adjacent countries who have an interest in maintaining a secure approach to their boarders and sovereign territorial waters. Lets not forget the as yet unconfirmed but almost certain possibility that the United States had a capable naval presence on station in the immediate region that would have been monitoring everything that moved or made a sound with multiple systems providing complete overview of who's Who.

 

[Elley Mae]

INTERPOL confirms at least two stolen passports used by passengers on missing Malaysian Airlines flight 370 were registered in its databases

http://www.interpol.int/News-and-media/News/2014/N2014-038

snippets

No checks of the stolen Austrian and Italian passports were made by any country between the time they were entered into INTERPOL’s database and the departure of flight MH 370. At this time, INTERPOL is therefore unable to determine on how many other occasions these passports were used to board flights or cross borders.

Last year passengers were able to board planes more than a billion times without having their passports screened against INTERPOL's databases.

“If Malaysia Airlines and all airlines worldwide were able to check the passport details of prospective passengers against INTERPOL's database, then we would not have to speculate whether stolen passports were used by terrorists to board MH 370. We would know that stolen passports were not used by any of the passengers to board that flight,” said Secretary General Noble.

“For the sake of innocent passengers who go through invasive security measures prior to boarding flights in order to get to their destination safely, I sincerely hope that governments and airlines worldwide will learn from the tragedy of missing flight MH 370 and begin to screen all passengers’ passports prior to allowing them to board flights. Doing so will indeed take us a step closer to ensuring safer travel,” concluded the head of INTERPOL.

 

[Derryn Hunch]

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/10/Missing-MH370-possible-life-raft-spotted/ possible life raft sighted

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.emirates247.com/news/mis...ghting-possible-life-raft-2014-03-10-1.540786

Vietnam has scrambled rescue helicopters to check a "yellow object" floating in its waters that rescue teams suspect could be a life raft from a Malaysian plane that went missing with 239 people aboard, a minister said on Monday.

bbm

 

[Waddles]

The object has been identified as a moss-covered cap of a cable reel

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/malaysia-airlines-rescue-idUSL3N0M72HE20140310

 

[katydid23]

That would be an unreal miracle if they found some survivors

 

[Waddles]

Malaysia police chief says one of the stolen passport users on missing Malaysia Airlines plane has been identified

DLJH ‏@JournoDannyAsia 2m
RT @SkyNewsBreak: AFP: Malaysia police chief says one of the stolen passport users on missing Malaysia Airlines plane has been identified

 

[SophieRose]

Nothing suspicious about anyone being Muslim. Just pointing out some facts, since it had not been done so previously....His age is what made me take note. It's just a note. Nothing more..the fact that he started with the airlines in 2007, is another note...Back to the real question I originally asked..What is the average age of a commercial airliner co-pilot? He's 27? Started in 2007? Doing what?

The pilot was also about 20-21 when he started with the airlines.

 

[Waddles]

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: Investigation underway into five passengers who failed to board

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-...mh370-five-passengers-failed-to-board/5310874

 

[Melly53]

There was plenty of wreckage from the Air France jet. The entire tail/vertical stabilizer section to name one large part - and there were many many many lifejackets and seat cushions floating.

That was in a very deep section in the middle of the atlantic, where currents were converging and strong.

This is the gulf of Thailand where the average depth apparently is something like 60m and completely covered by the systems of at least three directly adjacent countries who have an interest in maintaining a secure approach to their boarders and sovereign territorial waters. Lets not forget the as yet unconfirmed but almost certain possibility that the United States had a capable naval presence on station in the immediate region that would have been monitoring everything that moved or made a sound with multiple systems providing complete overview of who's Who.

I agree that there was a great deal of wreckage but it still took them days to find it.