Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #3

[kimi_SFC]

Aviation buff since childhood. From the VERY beginning, the first hour it broke it hit me as so odd.

Cockpits have telephone where crew can call their homebase and gett engineers on the phone when they are trying to solve a problem and the checklist isnt doing anything or they cant find a checklist for the set of issues they are expericing .

If one goes back to that first hour (it kept on going for a day and a half) the AIRLINE said it has lost contact with the flight. It was not ATC over x reports that it has lost contact with bla blabla

It would typically be the other way around ATC would be the one who CONTACTED the airline to report that THEY have lost the transponder for their flight # bla bla

The order is backwards - it is ATC , that in any arena ought to be the first to know that the RADAR track on a commerical plane is lost it is their entire function to monitor via RADAR aircraft transversing the globe.

The fact that the ATC tapes themselves have not been released at this point is not typical at all - they are usually the first thing released cause at the onset of a aviation they are the only thing that can give investigators, the airline, the public some sense if all was normal prior to event 5 days out no ATC tapes both transcripted and released to media its not correct.

Asiana crashed on July 6; WIthin 48 hours the ATC recorders were all over the internet:
Asiana Airlines 214 ATC Recording with Transcript [HD] - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFoejJ-aCpw‎
Jul 8, 2013 - Uploaded by TomCook1993
YouTube
The public (I have done it) can pick up a control tower to listen to.
http://www.liveatc.net/
Asiana 214 flight crew talking on ATC tape. Anyone know what he's saying? - Straight Dope Message Board

maybe....

but the radar released was from civilian radar operators.

(you do not need a subscription to check a flight on flightradar24... I use it all the time when Mr. Nurse travels to China for business)

did you see the article I posted about Vietnam? They are frustrated with the lack of data and are pulling back some of their fleet until there is more credible search data released by Malaysia.... (plus it is dark now as well.. they are 12 hours ahead)

Thank you both for this! IMV, what the Malaysia government and Malaysia Airlines are saying is just as important as what is NOT being said. This is completely out of the norm from what we are used to when such tragedies (albeit they are incomparable) occur under the watch of the NTSB. We have press conferences, tweets with photos and documents published, often in real time, and a whole lot more disclosure then the globlal public is receiving now.

So the obvious question one must ask is, why? What benefit does the Malaysian govenment have to NOT release the ATC recordings and their flight tracking data, especially knowing the governments (embassies, I guess?) are going to ask for it on behalf of their missing citizens?

All of this talk of the passports may be a welcome distraction from the REAL issues at hand - JMO - (brought up by CARIIS and NurseBeeme). I'm not saying there's not a true reason for concern. However, no one has been asking the tough question, I feel, should be raised about the radar and the ATC tracking data. We have heard quite a bit about the passports. I hope I am making sense.

You are on to something, here :moo:. My hinky meter is redlining, and that's saying someting, considering a 777-200 has vanished off the face of the earth and we haven't been able to find any sign of it for days.

#PrayForMH370

 

[belimom]

maybe....

but the radar released was from civilian radar operators.

(you do not need a subscription to check a flight on flightradar24... I use it all the time when Mr. Nurse travels to China for business)

Right, but was referring to these services as having a subscription with the people who have the transponder data. Unless FlightRadar24 owns all their own equipment to pick up these transponders from every plane around the world (which is quite expensive, I would think...?), they usually subscribe to someone and then use the data on their website/platform.

 

[trigger]

Building explosion in Manhattan. That was my fear. Idk anything else. My sister just text message me. The building has colllasped.

Possible gas explosion.

 

[Tssiemer]

Building explosion in Manhattan. That was my fear. Idk anything else. My sister just text message me. The building has colllasped.

CNN now reporting. 116th street in Harlem.


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[Tssiemer]

CNN now reporting. 116th street in Harlem.


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Aaaaaaand they stopped.


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[CARIIS]

Please, they can't even find the plane or even know which direction it took. lol.

Oh my god that is just so funny the way you wrote it!

 

[Scottndianner]

Building explosion in Manhattan. That was my fear. Idk anything else. My sister just text message me. The building has colllasped.

Possible gas explosion.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Park-Avenue-116th-Street-Fire-Collapse-Explosion-249730131.html

 

[CARIIS]

Malaysia unclear on direction of missing jet; no scenario ruled out

More than four days after a Malaysian jetliner went missing on route to Beijing, authorities acknowledged Wednesday they didn't know in which direction the plane and its 239 passengers was heading when it disappeared, vastly complicating efforts to find it.

Authorities have not ruled out any possible cause, including mechanical failure, pilot error, sabotage or terrorism in the disappearance of the plane. The 777 is a modern aircraft with an excellent safety record, as does Malaysia Airlines.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...-direction-missing-jet-no-scenario-ruled-out/

:doh:

I Can' t imagine why, whoever wrote the headline could not possibly beware that the entire world is keenly aware of this tid bit of "news"

Malaysia unclear on direction of missing jet

 

[EGirl]

Has the fact that the pictures of the 2 men with fake passports were Photoshopped been discussed?? If so, sorry for the repeat info.

Look at the position of their feet. Look at the shadows. Look at the shape of the bag, especially in the context that the man on the left doesn’t appear to be holding the same shape of bag in his top half.

After the issue started to gain traction, Malaysian officials confirmed the photo was altered, though said it was not done intentionally.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...len-passports-on-the-missing-malaysian-plane/

 

[keeponsearching]

I've learned so much about flying because of this thread. As scary as it sounds, planes do disappear. I shall never fly again.

Last time I did fly was 2007. And it was hard. I thought I was going to pass out from the fear. I will not lie I looked over every single person boarding that plane and made eye contact.

 

[CARIIS]

isn't it 9:30 p.m. there?

ScarlettScarpetta
Im on Tomnod this morning and what I am finding is the lack of boats

No worries - the same thing happens when anyone tries to find a congressman or senator at the capital ....noones home ever

 

[nursebeeme]

Right, but was referring to these services as having a subscription with the people who have the transponder data. Unless FlightRadar24 owns all their own equipment to pick up these transponders from every plane around the world (which is quite expensive, I would think...?), they usually subscribe to someone and then use the data on their website/platform.

not sure how it works but it is a conglomerate of independent civilian radar all over the world.

(kind of reminds me how wunderground uses civilian weather station data)

:twocents:

 

[Softail]

CNN now reporting. 116th street in Harlem.


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I made a thread for it here: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237751"]NYC Building Collapses After Report of Explosion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

There is live video.

 

[Tssiemer]

Has the fact that the pictures of the 2 men with fake passports were Photoshopped been discussed?? If so, sorry for the repeat info.



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...len-passports-on-the-missing-malaysian-plane/

Some news agency admitted the legs of the guy on the right were stapled onto the legs of the guy to the left.


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[JerseyGirl]

I've learned so much about flying because of this thread. As scary as it sounds, planes do disappear. I shall never fly again.

Last time I did fly was 2007. And it was hard. I thought I was going to pass out from the fear. I will not lie I looked over every single person boarding that plane and made eye contact.

I was planning on sending DD to Thailand this summer with a teen group, flying into Singapore via Germany, then quick flight to Bangkok, then another flight up to Chiang Mai.

Something came up and I had to cancel. At first I was sad she would miss out, then this crash happened and I'm witnessing all this shotty airline and government mix-up/cover-up and am now glad she's not going anymore.

 

[Scottndianner]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...irlines-flight-370-revealed-article-1.1718633

“All right, good night,” was the last transmission received from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Kuala Lumpur’s ambassador reportedly told family members Wednesday during a meeting at a Beijing hotel.

Family members became so frustrated that on Monday they hurled insults and water bottles at airline officials. Video of the incident surfaced a day later.

“All Malaysians are liars,” one relative yelled in Chinese during that tense briefing, according to a translation by The New York Times.

 

[Isabelle]

IMO this plane was hijacked and the ATC communication with the plane clearly indicates the fact. Malaysia is not releasing anything because serious inadequacies of security will be exposed. Why hide when there is nothing to hide?

 

[popsicle]

Jason Ng ‏@ByJasonNg 2m
What's that? “: A friend just pointed out that our bomoh's KLIA antics are identical to scenes from Laksamana Do Re Mi. Jeez.”

https://twitter.com/WSJAsia/malaysia-airlines-flight/

 

[CARIIS]

Has the fact that the pictures of the 2 men with fake passports were Photoshopped been discussed?? If so, sorry for the repeat info.



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...len-passports-on-the-missing-malaysian-plane/

WOW the bottom stuff is unreal .....

Were all so silly.....they do not even know how to work a zerox machine, and listen to all of us thinking they can investigate the plane drama-- silly us

 

[JerseyGirl]

Malaysian aircraft search area now stretching to 27,000 square nautical miles -
12,000 plus in the Straits of Malacca and 14,000 in the South China Sea.

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-to-27000-square-nautical-miles-30086166.html