Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #3

[Brightbird]

Have just read the letter from the NZer on the oil rig and seen the excellent maps you guys have done....that is definitely an option, but once again how did it then disappear from all communication from where it was last tracked to?

Re the last words: I also agree that it sounds like something was about to change to go into a cruisy night maybe on autopilot or turn some form of communication of and saying bye bye to them, or switching to new air traffic control thingys. You sought of get what I'm trying to say don't you?

Does anyone know if that was immediately before they lost contact??? was just wondering as this might not be a coincidence in that maybe whatever they switched to had a problem with it and this is why the contact was lost, or had a problem and this is what caused the problem that led to a crash...

I think they were saying goodbye to Malaysia air traffic control, and were to be handed over to Vietnam air traffic control. But they dropped out of contact/off radar before contact was made with Vietnam. That is awfully coincidental isn't it? I'd be interested in hearing from our posters with pilot experience what this could possibly mean.

 

[CARIIS]

Not that I can find. He just says he believes he saw the wreckage--that "the timing is right." Also that he tried to contact officials several days ago but didn't hear back.

Incidentally, the last time I tried to access the letter via Twitpic, seems it had been removed. I have it saved to my computer, though.

Can , like an outside entity go into Twitpic (maybe a government person humm humm) and delete stuff without the orginal person who put it up persmission - ?

The letter was amazing ................and sounded authentic in word choice BUt one thing we all do not know is how controlling it is over there when the govts are hiding so much stuff - maybe something bad could happen to him??

 

[CHERIE.T]

Are the margins blown for anyone else?

 

[belimom]

This is an excellent read - speculating about the gradual decompression as was discussed earlier here on WS also. I didn't buy into then, but now - who knows?

Read it here:
http://ktemoc.blogspot.com/2014/03/where-is-mh370-or-where-mh370-is.html

But this guy explains is all so well, especially given the expanded search to the Andaman Sea, which would mean a northerly turn from Pulau Parek, as shown on margarita25's previous post:

From this link:

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Shucks---- in my earlier post I left out a bunch of the conferences:
14th Media Statement
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry ...........

No problem! Teamwork! ;D

 

[belimom]

Didn't click on the link, but is it that the flight computer can be overridden?

No, it's about a weak point in the fuselage that can cause decompression.

 

[momrids6]

Malaysian plane sent out engine data before vanishing

Malaysia Airlines has not revealed if it has learned anything from ACARS data, or if it has any. Its eleventh media statement since the plane disappeared said: "All Malaysia Airlines aircraft are equipped with… ACARS which transmits data automatically. Nevertheless, there were no distress calls and no information was relayed."

This would suggest no concrete data is to hand. But New Scientist understands that the maker of the missing Boeing 777's Trent 800 engines, Rolls Royce, received two data reports from flight MH370 at its global engine health monitoring centre in Derby, UK, where it keeps real-time tabs on its engines in use. One was broadcast as MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport, the other during the 777's climb out towards Beijing.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...ngine-data-before-vanishing.html#.Ux_91j9dWSo

 

[margarita25]

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/23932

Here's the tomnod link, sure it's been posted already, but bringing it forward just in case.

eta: how do you zoom in? tia

 

[mrsu]

So the updates (last I heard, plane had turned around and flown hundreds of miles off course to Malacca Strait), is that the plane had not turned around and that a man saw the plane on fire, crash into the sea? If so, why didn't he immediately contact any authorities, instead of waiting for days? (He seems credible, though).

Any other updates? What about news about the cell phones ringing?
Or about sightings of a plane flying at low altitude? Or of other info that the plane flew at 3,000 feet for 350 miles?

Are these all crazy rumors that people are spreading for fun? What's up?

It was the 12th when he sent it to friends. He had tried sending it to Malaysian and Vietnam officials with no response. He wasn't sure they had received it.

 

[CARIIS]

I think they were saying goodbye to Malaysia air traffic control, and were to be handed over to Vietnam air traffic control. But they dropped out of contact/off radar before contact was made with Vietnam. That is awfully coincidental isn't it? I'd be interested in hearing from our posters with pilot experience what this could possibly mean.

Hey in most crashes recently with technology the ATC recorders are released to the media within like18 hours something is amiss!

 

[popsicle]

Not that I can find. He just says he believes he saw the wreckage--that "the timing is right." Also that he tried to contact officials several days ago but didn't hear back.

Incidentally, the last time I tried to access the letter via Twitpic, seems it had been removed. I have it saved to my computer, though.

It's still there.... for me.

 

[Plumeria5]

So the updates (last I heard, plane had turned around and flown hundreds of miles off course to Malacca Strait), is that the plane had not turned around and that a man saw the plane on fire, crash into the sea? If so, why didn't he immediately contact any authorities, instead of waiting for days? (He seems credible, though).

Any other updates? What about news about the cell phones ringing?
Or about sightings of a plane flying at low altitude? Or of other info that the plane flew at 3,000 feet for 350 miles?

Are these all crazy rumors that people are spreading for fun? What's up?

A tech expert on CNN or Fox said that a cell phone will ring on your end (the caller) several times before it will actually ring for the one being called. So even if the cell phone is no longer working, under water, etc. the caller will hear many rings depending on if it is country to country, international, or local. He said that is what the families are hearing unfortunately it does not mean their phone is actually ringing.

 

[CARIIS]

Malaysian plane sent out engine data before vanishing

Malaysia Airlines has not revealed if it has learned anything from ACARS data, or if it has any. Its eleventh media statement since the plane disappeared said: "All Malaysia Airlines aircraft are equipped with… ACARS which transmits data automatically. Nevertheless, there were no distress calls and no information was relayed."

This would suggest no concrete data is to hand. But New Scientist understands that the maker of the missing Boeing 777's Trent 800 engines, Rolls Royce, received two data reports from flight MH370 at its global engine health monitoring centre in Derby, UK, where it keeps real-time tabs on its engines in use. One was broadcast as MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport, the other during the 777's climb out towards Beijing.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...ngine-data-before-vanishing.html#.Ux_91j9dWSo

.ACARS is always recording tons of stuff on the aircraft. It basically is to give maintenance a heads up at the next airport if attention is needed, tracks performance of all kinds of goodies!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACARS#Example_transmissions

 

[gregjrichards]

There is a press conference at the top of the hour this link may work to watch it live http://news.sky.com/templates/watch-live

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Have just read the letter from the NZer on the oil rig and seen the excellent maps you guys have done....that is definitely an option, but once again how did it then disappear from all communication from where it was last tracked to?

Re the last words: I also agree that it sounds like something was about to change to go into a cruisy night maybe on autopilot or turn some form of communication of and saying bye bye to them, or switching to new air traffic control thingys. You sought of get what I'm trying to say don't you?

Does anyone know if that was immediately before they lost contact??? was just wondering as this might not be a coincidence in that maybe whatever they switched to had a problem with it and this is why the contact was lost, or had a problem and this is what caused the problem that led to a crash...

According to the airline sites I've been reading, it's common for radar contact to be lost after leaving land areas. Apparently it's a myth that airplanes are in constant radar contact with air traffic controllers. They rely on radio transmissions with other aircraft after leaving radar zones. These transmissions are then sent to the air traffic controllers who plot them on the radar maps.

Here you go--found the link about this (other good info on this site, too):

Jordan Golson of Wired writes that it is a misconception that airline pilots are in constant communication with air traffic control, or that planes are constantly watched on radar. Once a plane is more than 100 or 150 miles from shore, radar no longer works. It simply doesn’t have the range. (The specific distance from shore varies with the type of radar, the weather, and other factors.) At that point, civilian aircraft communicate largely by high-frequency radio. http://www.roomeetimes.com/what-happened-to-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370.html

 

[belimom]

New theory: it may very well be in a jungle in Vietnam, as was reported earlier, IF the gradual decompression theory is true:

Points explained in article (in much detail - I'm summarizing):
- pilots sensed something was wrong but too late to really act appropriately
- could have turned of transponders when meant to change squawk code
- tried to turn back
- not thinking clearly so flies wrong way
- ability to think clearly gets worse due to hypoxia
- over the Malacca Strait another error is made (or the pilots are completely gone by that point) and plane turns right, hence searching in Andaman Sea

My thought:
- IF plane did go that way and turned right again, a large circle could have the plane crashing in a jungle in Vietnam after all.

 

[margarita25]

A tech expert on CNN or Fox said that a cell phone will ring on your end (the caller) several times before it will actually ring for the one being called. So even if the cell phone is no longer working, under water, etc. the caller will hear many rings depending on if it is country to country, international, or local. He said that is what the families are hearing unfortunately it does not mean their phone is actually ringing.

The possibility of this, before explained, spooked me out and made me wonder if possible hijackers made everyone surrender their cellphones, then dumped them somehow.

You guys are doing so awesome here. I've been lurking when I can, trying to keep up with all the posts. Moving fast. All this aviation stuff is interesting, but waaay over my head!!!

Keep up the great work, folks. Thanks for all your updates and awesome maps especially!!!!!!!!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

More comments about the ringing cellphones from that same site:

Professor William Webb, a fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering, told British tabloid Daily Mail, “The phones definitely won’t be working. They’ll be underwater, out of coverage and by this time out of battery. So there’s absolutely no way they could be used for triangulation. As to why they are “ringing” it’ll be the same as if they were out of coverage – in some cases it may ring before going to voicemail.”

Telecoms expert Alan Spencer told Daily Mail that if the phones are really ringing, they can categorically not be under the sea. He added that the phones will only be ringing if they are “switched on, not in water, the battery is charged, and [they are] near a mobile cell site.” This means that if the phones are genuinely ringing, the plane needs to have landed on land – not in the sea – and be in a location where there is cell service, rather than in the middle of a jungle, for example.

http://www.roomeetimes.com/what-happened-to-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370.html

 

[margarita25]

The whole world is looking for this plane!

 

[Plumeria5]

There is a press conference at the top of the hour this link may work to watch it live http://news.sky.com/templates/watch-live

Thank you for letting us know! It said 7am. Where is Sky News coming from?