Malaysia Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine. 298 aboard. 7/17/2014 - #3

[zwiebel]

Yikes! They never asked my opinion.

'Germany's 'secret deal with Russia to end violence in Ukraine which would see Crimea officially annexed in exchange for $1billion'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mea-officially-annexed-exchange-1billion.html

 

[zwiebel]

What were they trying to do, sneak it past when they thought all good Germans would be in bed or something?

When Australian SAR teams are getting shot at, very likely with Russian funded armaments?

Give us back our missing!

 

[SouthAussie]

#OSCE monitor mentions bullet holes in #MH17: "very, very strong machine gunfire"
youtu.be/7ze9BNGDyk4
@marcelsardo pic.twitter.com/zlDcssdzka

https://mobile.twitter.com/homo_viator

Bullet Holes?! Machine gun fire!? How on earth does he think they got high enough to hit the plane??

Surely he meant shrapnel?

ETA: Take that silly twitter I just linked with a large pinch of salt -that OSCE monitor it mentions isn't even at the site, he's a talking head giving an interview to a journalist!

I just saw on Ch 7 TV News video footage of bullet casings and other military debris at the crash site. They are saying that they probably come from fighting that is currently occurring across the site and in the area.

A man herds his cattle on high ground in Kirovsky overlooking the MH17 crash site
where Ukrainian forces and Pro-Russian rebel fighters engage in at least seven different
battles. Photo: Kate Geraghty

As Fairfax Media observed the site from high ground in the coal-mining village of Kirovsky, north-west of the site, at least seven separate battles threw up billowing smoke and dust, some of them setting ablaze the fields from which the remains of the passengers and crew, 38 of them from Australia, are yet to be recovered.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-tw...-crash-site-20140801-zz8do.html#ixzz395uGBmOi

 

[SouthAussie]

"Natalya Voloshina does not know what to do with the two motorcycle helmets, the wallet, the child's doll or the suitcase that has burst at the corner like an overripe fruit.
The assortment of belongings is stacked carefully by the door inside the village council of this rustic settlement in eastern Ukraine, where she is in charge.
Local people brought in the items one by one from their fields and vegetable patches over the last few days."

"No one comes to collect these things," she said on Wednesday, standing by an eight-yard chunk of the aircraft that lies in the street just outside the council offices surrounded by found objects: a battered food trolley, several single shoes, a now-withered bunch of lilies that was being carried fresh on board and dropped in the schoolteacher's garden.
"There was some human remains that lay for some days on the edge of the village over there," she added. "In the end they disappeared; I think some dogs carried them off."

:cry:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-at-MH17-crash-site-as-fighting-advances.html

 

[SouthAussie]

RAAF medics on standby to fly to MH17 site ......

A seven-person RAAF aero-medical evacuation (AME) team is stationed at Eindhoven airbase ready to fly to eastern Ukraine at a moment's notice if a member of the international mission is injured.

The team, led by 34-year-old Dr Jo Darby from Brisbane, includes another doctor, a specialist anaesthetist, two nurses and two medical assistants.

'I really hope nothing happens and we don't have to use our resources and our intensive team,' Dr Darby told reporters on the tarmac at Eindhoven.

'But if we do need it, then that's what we are here for. It's an unknown in terms of what our tasking will be.'

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...af-medics-on-standby-to-fly-to-mh17-site.html

 

[kimi_SFC]

Tweet from @AC360 - 1h

Time is of the essence. This investigation needs to kick start into high gear right away - @mikeybbq on #MH17 investigation. #AC360

http://twitter.com/AC360/status/495009232027402240

Tweet from @AC360 - 1h

Two weeks… after the plane crash there are still human remains out there - @mikeybbq on reaching #MH17 crash scene. #AC360

http://twitter.com/AC360/status/495009069653307392


Tweet from @AC360 - 1h

We crossed the frontline no less than four times to get there - @mikeybbq on reaching #MH17 crash site in #Ukraine war zone

http://twitter.com/AC360/status/495008899658166272

 

[Donamena]

"Natalya Voloshina does not know what to do with the two motorcycle helmets, the wallet, the child's doll or the suitcase that has burst at the corner like an overripe fruit.
The assortment of belongings is stacked carefully by the door inside the village council of this rustic settlement in eastern Ukraine, where she is in charge.
Local people brought in the items one by one from their fields and vegetable patches over the last few days."

"No one comes to collect these things," she said on Wednesday, standing by an eight-yard chunk of the aircraft that lies in the street just outside the council offices surrounded by found objects: a battered food trolley, several single shoes, a now-withered bunch of lilies that was being carried fresh on board and dropped in the schoolteacher's garden.
"There was some human remains that lay for some days on the edge of the village over there," she added. "In the end they disappeared; I think some dogs carried them off."

:cry:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-at-MH17-crash-site-as-fighting-advances.html

This is just heartbreaking...'carried off'

 

[ZaZara]

RAAF medics on standby to fly to MH17 site ......

A seven-person RAAF aero-medical evacuation (AME) team is stationed at Eindhoven airbase ready to fly to eastern Ukraine at a moment's notice if a member of the international mission is injured.

The team, led by 34-year-old Dr Jo Darby from Brisbane, includes another doctor, a specialist anaesthetist, two nurses and two medical assistants.

'I really hope nothing happens and we don't have to use our resources and our intensive team,' Dr Darby told reporters on the tarmac at Eindhoven.

'But if we do need it, then that's what we are here for. It's an unknown in terms of what our tasking will be.'

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...af-medics-on-standby-to-fly-to-mh17-site.html

The focus of attention has been on the sad fact that the location of the crash could not be reached. (I do pray that that ordeal is over!)
Meanwhile, in the background, preparations for the operation have been ongoing.
Pieter Jaap Aalbersberg told the press as much:

In the meantime, work has been going on all levels, Aalbersberg emphasized. "Together with the Australians, experts and equipment are continuously flown in to organize this operation as good and as careful as possible."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...98-aboard-7-17-2014-3&p=10797008#post10797008

The description of the RAAF medics and their aircraft makes me very happy:


"They arrived at Eindhoven on Tuesday and spent Thursday practising with the Dutch team they'll be working side-by-side with if there is need for any evacuations.

The Dutch don't have C-17s so are getting used to working on the Australian aircraft.

One C-17 can move four ICU patients and up to 36 patients on stretchers depending on their injuries.

Dr Darby says the Boeing Globemasters are the Rolls Royce of transporters when it comes to doing AMEs - especially when moving seriously injured casualties.

Liquid oxygen is available on a continuous supply so medics don't have to worry about changing cylinders. Medical machines can be plugged straight into power so batteries aren't needed.

The Australian and Dutch have previously worked together in Afghanistan and Dr Darby says the teams in Eindhoven are melding perfectly as they are equally matched in terms of expertise.
- See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...to-fly-to-mh17-site.html#sthash.kDWkH77L.dpuf

 

[ZaZara]

THREE-WAY TALKS IN MINSK


Harriet Salem reports in Vice News:
https://news.vice.com/article/osce-...wly-avoids-default?utm_source=vicenewstwitter


Officials with the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe finally reached the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine on Thursday after nearly a week of failed visits due to fierce clashes in the area between government forces and pro-Russia rebels.

The Ukrainian government, whose military has made key strategic gains in the past week after pushing toward the rebel strongholds in Luhansk and Donetsk, had announced that a 24-hour ceasefire to enable OSCE specialists to reach the site. The team, including two Dutch and two Australian forensic experts, arrived at the site after a four-hour journey along back roads through checkpoints manned by both sides.

The bodies of at least 200 of the 298 passengers killed in the crash have been removed to the Netherlands. The OSCE confirmed that various bodies remain in the fields.

(....)

Three-way talks were held Thursday morning in Minsk, the capital of Belarus, to discuss hostage releases and the securing of safe access to the crash site by a larger team of experts over the coming days.

The meeting was attended by OSCE envoy Heidi Tagliavini, former Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma, and Mikhail Zurabaw, the Russian ambassador to Ukraine, but it was unclear whether any Ukrainian separatist leaders were present.

Kuchma, who left office in 2005 following Ukraine’s Orange Revolution, is helping mediate between rebels and the Ukrainian government, which refuses to sit down with those it regards as terrorists.


BBM

Finally, the war is starting to adjust to the needs of the Rescue Mission, and for the greater benefit of all.

More info about the conflict at the link.

 

[ZaZara]

GERMANY'S SECRET DEAL WITH RUSSIA (TO BE CONFIRMED)

Can one of you tech kiddos post the daily mail link about Germany & Russia brokering a $1 billion dollar deal for Crimea in exchange for letting go of the Ukraine? Do I understand this barter correctly?

Yikes! They never asked my opinion.

'Germany's 'secret deal with Russia to end violence in Ukraine which would see Crimea officially annexed in exchange for $1billion'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mea-officially-annexed-exchange-1billion.html

A better description of this deal (Sorry, Daily Mail!) is to be found here:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...an-deal-could-end-ukraine-crisis-9638764.html


(...) the peace plan, being worked on by both Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin, hinges on two main ambitions: stabilising the borders of Ukraine and providing the financially troubled country with a strong economic boost, particularly a new energy agreement ensuring security of gas supplies.

More controversially, if Ms Merkel’s deal were to be acceptable to the Russians, the international community would need to recognise Crimea’s independence and its annexation by Russia, a move that some members of the United Nations might find difficult to stomach. [understatement]

Sources close to the secret negotiations claim that the first part of the stabilisation plan requires Russia to withdraw its financial and military support for the various pro-separatist groups operating in eastern Ukraine.

At the same time, the Ukrainian President would agree not to apply to join Nato. In return, President Putin would not seek to block or interfere with the Ukraine’s new trade relations with the European Union under a pact signed a few weeks ago.

Second, the Ukraine would be offered a new long-term agreement with Russia’s Gazprom, the giant gas supplier, for future gas supplies and pricing. At present, there is no gas deal in place; Ukraine’s gas supplies are running low and are likely to run out before this winter, which would spell economic and social ruin for the country.

As part of the deal, Russia would compensate Ukraine with a billion-dollar financial package for the loss of the rent it used to pay for stationing its fleets in the Crimea and at the port of Sevastopol on the Black Sea until Crimea voted for independence in March.

BBM

Read more at link.

Angela Merkel is my hero!
If she manages to pull this off... Vladimir Putin already has Crimea in his pocket and yet Angie manages to make him pay for it! and pay BIG!


Brilliant.


If it is true.

 

[ZaZara]

70 EXPERTS HAVE ARRIVED AT CRASH SITE


rudy bouma ‏@rudybouma

BREKEND: Hele internationale onderzoeksteam en #OVSE door rebellen toegelaten tot crashgebied #MH17

Translation:

BREAKING: entire international investigation team and OSCE allowed access to crash site by rebels #MH17


max seddon ‏@maxseddon

Full contingent of foreign experts reaches #MH17 crash site for the first time, per BBC. Only took them two weeks


Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP

A team of 70 international experts has started recovering bodies at the crash site of flight #MH17 in war-torn eastern Ukraine







BBM

 

[SouthAussie]

And now we are visibly showing that we are protecting our search and recovery teams.

A team of forensic police specialists from Holland and Australia will use drones, sniffer dogs, divers and satellite mapping to search for missing body parts at the site of the MH17 air crash, The Telegraph has learned.

The unarmed officers will take refrigerated trucks in order to remove any human remains they find as they comb the area, which is now a “battle zone”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ffer-dogs-in-perilous-search-for-victims.html

 

[SouthAussie]

"AMSTERDAM, Aug 1 (Bernama) -- Some of the 43 Malaysians on board the downed Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH17 in Ukraine have been identified by the International Investigation team and further verification is required in a two-week period.

Najib said to date, a total of 126 coffins had been examined and undergone the DVI process.

He said the process was complex and unique that required three stages of examinations which were Ante-mortem, Post mortem and reconciliation.

He said the examination processes were according to international standard and the method was beyond reasonable doubt."


http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v7/newsindex.php?id=1057291

 

[SouthAussie]

Our Foreign Minister, Julie Bishop, is on her way home. Her part of the work there is completed.

"On way home from Kiev after further discussions Ukraine FM @PavloKlimkin on bilateral deployment agrement #MH17"

https://twitter.com/JulieBishopMP/status/495110909463764992/photo/1

 

[SouthAussie]

Finally! Recovery vehicles arrive.

"Convoy of SMMU + Dutch, Australian experts bolstered by arrival new assets/ additional personnel from Kharkiv #MH17"

https://twitter.com/OSCE_SMM/status/495109713370284032/photo/1

 

[ZaZara]

840 DUTCH POLICE OFFICERS WORKING ON MH17

NOS-Journaal reports:
http://nos.nl/artikel/681783-840-agenten-werken-aan-mh17.html

840 Dutch police officers are currently working on MH17


Approximately 840 Dutch police officers are involved in the investigation into the disaster flight MH17. In The Netherlands, 750 police officers are active, in Ukraine about 90.
The investigation into the crash is the largest criminal investigation ever conducted by The Netherlands.
This is partly due to the large number of victims and that the fact that the crash site was abroad.
The Public Prosecution Service confirms that multiple prosecutors are leading the criminal investigation. One of them is in Ukraine. In The Netherlands, several officers are involved.
Many police officers support the bereaved families, deputy police chief Ruud Bik of the National Police mentioned in an interview with the NOS.
There are a hundred family detectives who assist them.
Furthermore, many police officers are working on the identification in Hilversum and the detection in Ukraine.
Bik would not divulge how many police officers are active in the criminal investigation, but it must be hundreds.

 

[ZaZara]

...


Pierre Crom ‏@PierreCrom 5 min.

Dutch and Australian forensic experts started their investigations and found human remains on the #MH17 site


rudy bouma ‏@rudybouma 1 u

Op crashsite #MH17 zijn voortdurend raketinslagen te horen. Australische commandant laconiek:"Zolang ze maar niet hier inslaan." #Grabovo

Translation:

At the crash site # MH17 rocket attacks are constantly heard. Australian captain laconic: "As long as they do not strike here." #Grabovo



BBM

 

[kimi_SFC]

BBC News - Ukraine MH17: Air crash team finds human remains

34 minutes ago

A team of 70 Dutch and Australian forensic experts has found human remains at the site of the flight MH17 crash in east Ukraine.

They made their discovery on their first full day of searching at the site, an area of some 35 sq km (13.5 sq miles) inside the conflict zone.

Local search parties found 227 of the 298 victims earlier and they were flown to the Netherlands for identification.

Fighting still rages, with 10 Ukrainian soldiers killed nearby on Thursday.

More@Link

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28599315

:rose:

 

[Harmony 2]

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[Harmony 2]

new thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...7-shot-down-in-Ukraine-298-aboard-7-17-2014-4